Dublin Bus - complaint about 46a driver

JST1

Thank you and good bye. Question has created fight and I don't like it.

January

You won't get to know the outcome of the complaint.

LXFlyer

Send a formal email to customercomment@dublinbus.ie

Send the time, location and bus registration if you have it.

Always far better to complain in writing!

JST1

Thank you deft will do. Just forgot to take the registration number

And that was the answer and that should be the end!!

the groutch

with the new GPS they've put in the buses for the RTPI, I would have thought that just the time the bus arrived in Dun Laoghaire would be sufficient for them to figure out which bus number (eg. GT1, GT2, etc) it was, and in turn find out who was driving that bus at the time.

punisher5112

You say you waived? I am a driver and some actions that passengers do can be very confusing.

Usually when people waive they are gesturing for a taxi or the odd time a crazy person not in any way saying you but it does happen.

If you stand at a stop extend your arm/hand out in good time and only take in your arm when you see the indicator activated by the driver.

Did you make it known in good time you planned on getting that bus?
Were you on the phone or looking the other way or distracted a bit.

I ask because I have had it all and been chased by taxi and personal cars to be blocked in at the next stop to say I left early or didn't stop for them or wouldn't let them on between stops.

I can't really understand the big deal about it as the N11 though as the road has a unbelievably good service.

I live on a route where you could have gaps of 1 hour or more

cdebru

punisher5112 wrote: »

You say you waived? I am a driver and some actions that passengers do can be very confusing.

Usually when people waive they are gesturing for a taxi or the odd time a crazy person not in any way saying you but it does happen.

If you stand at a stop extend your arm/hand out in good time and only take in your arm when you see the indicator activated by the driver.

Did you make it known in good time you planned on getting that bus?
Were you on the phone or looking the other way or distracted a bit.

I ask because I have had it all and been chased by taxi and personal cars to be blocked in at the next stop to say I left early or didn't stop for them or wouldn't let them on between stops.

I can't really understand the big deal about it as the N11 though as the road has a unbelievably good service.

I live on a route where you could have gaps of 1 hour or more

I read it the same way, she says she waved and then she waved again which means she stopped waving until she noticed the bus was not stopping so chances are the driver did not see the initial wave so when he checked the stop no one had their hand out so he planned on keeping going, then at the last minute the OP waves again this time he sees it and stops as soon as he can which is after the stop. The driver can only see the person in the mirror would have no idea she is pregnant all he sees is someone who gave him a late signal and is now sauntering up to the bus like they have all the time in the world so he decides the person is taking the piss and leaves.

The OP should complain if they want but it is a misunderstanding mostly caused by incorrectly signally the bus in the first place. It won't go anywhere tbh.

AlekSmart

JST1 wrote: »

I don't know if anybody had situation as me with Dublin bus, but if yes please advised what is the best to do.

I was waiting for a bus 46A galloping green to Dunlaoghaire at 8.30 today. I waived for a bus driver but he didn't slow down, so I waved again and he stopped few meters from me. I know is Saturday and no traffic, but I think he should pay attention who's waving. I was walking towards him so he saw me in the mirror. Just let me explain I was walking as I can not run because I am 9MONTHS PREGNANT WOMAN. So I don't know what happened? I was almost near the bus when bus driver start to slowly drive off from me. Like the stupid joke I was walking and he was driving further. After few more steps he just speed it up and drove off and left me standing confused, stressed and frustrated in the rain, what just happened. Did he expected that 9 months pregnant will be running after him even that I waived for him to stop? I don't know. I took next bus 75(really nice bus driver )and when I arrived to Dunlaoghaire this bus was there but bus driver strange enough wasn't in.
I rang Dublin bus and did a complaint but is any other way to make sure that will be some consequences?
If you had any similar situation please advised what you did.

Firstly it's all a matter of perception really.

JST1 is not the first nor the last person to miss a bus,it happens all the time and I have personally experienced it as an intending passenger, in London,Paris and Berlin ! :eek:

I would not be at all surprised if that Busdriver never saw you at all,and was in fact stopping for some person already on-board,who had given an early signal,but actually wanted the White Cross stop.

As other posters have pointed out,"Waving" is most assuredly not a valid signal to Stop a Bus,and is far more commonly associated with securing the services of a Taxidriver.

The olden days Timetable at one point mentioned "A clear signal,given in good time" as the means of stopping a Bus,and perhaps that accurate definition still remains hidden away someplace.

The reality,unpopular as it may be,is that JST1 has absolutely NO means of "Knowing" what the Busdriver could see in the mirror,so assumptions then have to be made,which may well be totally inaccurate.

The 46A Busdriver may well actually be a "Really nice busdriver" too you know,and had he not stopped for you,that 75 Busdriver would equally, be an absolute sh*t,yes ?

During my working day I tend to stop for far more people than I leave behind,I don't see it as anything more than my Job,however I cannot promise that situations won't arise such as JST1 describes,and when they do I may well be totally oblivious to it.

Having made this complaint to Dublin Bus,I suggest that JST1 now waits for whatever develops,as there is considerable precedent to show these types of thread developing into a drip-feed of additional "material" adding more and more detail to the original,until it ends up like Coronation St....unrecognizable from the original....;)

For example,already we know that JST1 found that,

when I arrived to Dunlaoghaire this bus was there but bus driver strange enough wasn't in.

Yet equally JST1 tells us that she

Just forgot to take the registration numbers

So...In a Terminus such as Dun Laoighre,JST1 can still identify the specific parked (Driverless) 46A vehicle,which incidentally should not be regarded as a "strange enough" occurrence,as certain duties are rostered to break there as well as there being Toilet Facilities available in the DART Station,all of which involve the Busdriver actually having to leave the Bus :eek:

With JST1's complaint now in the system,the CCTV will most likely be pulled,viewed and assessed,which I have to say,may well show,dare I repeat it,a Different Perspective from the OP's.

JST1 asks for advice as to what to do,but in fact has done everything in a textbook fashion without any prompting,so why not let that process work away and perhaps update the thread when it's all done and dusted ?

Joshycat

punisher5112 wrote: »

You say you waived? I am a driver and some actions that passengers do can be very confusing.

Usually when people waive they are gesturing for a taxi or the odd time a crazy person not in any way saying you but it does happen.

If you stand at a stop extend your arm/hand out in good time and only take in your arm when you see the indicator activated by the driver.

Did you make it known in good time you planned on getting that bus?
Were you on the phone or looking the other way or distracted a bit.

I ask because I have had it all and been chased by taxi and personal cars to be blocked in at the next stop to say I left early or didn't stop for them or wouldn't let them on between stops.

I can't really understand the big deal about it as the N11 though as the road has a unbelievably good service.

I live on a route where you could have gaps of 1 hour or more

Just because one bus route is more frequent then another bus route doesn't mean the drivers can start taking liberties

Boskowski

AlekSmart wrote: »

JST1 is not the first nor the last person to miss a bus,it happens all the time and I have personally experienced it as an intending passenger, in London,Paris and Berlin ! :eek:

Wow thats almost an impossible thing to do in Berlin.
Berlin bus drivers only stop at bus stops, they're not allowed to stop anywhere else regardless of whether someone wants to board the bus or get off.
So you can be just 50 metres away from the bus stop and often they will not stop. Having said that most drivers would stop at the stop and wait for you if its clear to them you want to get onto the bus. Then again its hard to find a route in Berlin where you have to wait for more than 10 minutes for the next one anyway.
On the other hand if you're at the bus stop he will stop with no waving required. Always.

Anyway

OP I think the bus driver has either simply not seen you or else he was being a dick. If they saw a pregnant woman at the bus stop you'd think they go to lengths to make sure they do the right thing. He mustn't have seen you, one couldn't be that much of a dick really.

JST1

Just to straight everything up. I understand sometimes can be confusion it happened. I waved on time I wasn't on the phone an I was only one person on this stop. I wouldn't mind if driver pass me and keep going it happened to me before and I never complain.
But what I found really wrong is that he chose to stop for me. And believe me u can see I'm pregnant. If he chose to stop why he didn't wait just start to go further bit by bit an then just drove off. I don't mind waiting for next bus but he stopped and drove off.
And also I waved as always extended my arms not like for a taxi. And no other car was in front of the bus.
Anyway I just asked where to complain as I have right to do this and thank you for all your response.

Stella Virgo

JST1 wrote: »

I don't know if anybody had situation as me with Dublin bus, but if yes please advised what is the best to do.

I was waiting for a bus 46A galloping green to Dunlaoghaire at 8.30 today. I waived for a bus driver but he didn't slow down, so I waved again and he stopped few meters from me. I know is Saturday and no traffic, but I think he should pay attention who's waving. I was walking towards him so he saw me in the mirror. Just let me explain I was walking as I can not run because I am 9MONTHS PREGNANT WOMAN. So I don't know what happened? I was almost near the bus when bus driver start to slowly drive off from me. Like the stupid joke I was walking and he was driving further. After few more steps he just speed it up and drove off and left me standing confused, stressed and frustrated in the rain, what just happened. Did he expected that 9 months pregnant will be running after him even that I waived for him to stop? I don't know. I took next bus 75(really nice bus driver )and when I arrived to Dunlaoghaire this bus was there but bus driver strange enough wasn't in.
I rang Dublin bus and did a complaint but is any other way to make sure that will be some consequences?
If you had any similar situation please advised what you did.

find out what terminus/depot the bus operates from.ask to speak to the INSPECTOR and get his full name. (do not deal with anyone else) tell him what happened, give him the details of what happened. u do not need the bus registration number, u will need to know what bustop and the time of the bus arrival at the bustop.

JST1

Thank you Stella Virgo. I did it and I wanted to find his name but they won't give it to me until I will make a complain. I wanted him to know that it is frustrated what he did and next time maybe is better to pass then stop and drive off.

Btw @aleksmart I never said he is not nice busdriver because I don't know that. I believe he is a nice man only what he did was wrong in my opinion.

JST1

JST1 wrote: »

Btw @aleksmart I never said he is not nice busdriver because I don't know that. I believe he is a nice man only what he did was wrong in my opinion.

I think AlekSmart was trying to say - in a nice way - that it was your fault, or else it was nobody's fault.

I don't think he was trying to say this because you are pregnant; I think he was trying to say this because the driver works for Dublin Bus - and by definition can't be at fault.

Sorry for what happened to you, but that's the way it is. They have a monopoly, and they can do whatever they like. Another driver would have seen what you were at and would have stopped and waited, and the rule book would be nowhere to be seen - but when someone doesn't do that and instead gets his jollies at the expense of a pregnant woman, he and his employer will simply wave the rule book at you or anyone else who comments.

billie1b

JST1 wrote: »

Thank you deft will do. Just forgot to take the registration numbers

Put your complaint to Dublin Bus on twitter too, let it be publicised, absolute wanker of a driver to do that, especially being so far along in your pregnancy

JST1

Thank you for all your response and advice I really do appreciated. Just to be clear I do not want a revenge or publicity or judge the driver as a person. I asking for advice and talking about his actions. I just want the bus driver to be aware of customer side. How frustrated is to wait and b left on the bus stop. Maybe next time he will slow down a bit and make sure u wanna hop in especially when is bad weather and visibility is not good.
That's all what I want otherwise I have more important thing to take care of like my baby 😀so will no stress.
Will see what Dublin bus will respond hope they will understand my point of view. I let ya know.

AlekSmart

JST1 wrote: »

Just to straight everything up. I understand sometimes can be confusion it happened. I waved on time I wasn't on the phone an I was only one person on this stop. I wouldn't mind if driver pass me and keep going it happened to me before and I never complain.
But what I found really wrong is that he chose to stop for me. And believe me u can see I'm pregnant. If he chose to stop why he didn't wait just start to go further bit by bit an then just drove off. I don't mind waiting for next bus but he stopped and drove off.
And also I waved as always extended my arms not like for a taxi. And no other car was in front of the bus.
Anyway I just asked where to complain as I have right to do this and thank you for all your response.

As I remarked in my own response,these type of threads tend to develop in a particular manner,and this one is already so doing.

Whether it was actually YOU,JST1 that this driver stopped for is open to debate,as said the stopping may well have been for an early bell from a passenger who actually wanted to get out at the next-stop,but thats only one possible alternative scenario.

You also mention no other car being IN FRONT of the Bus,however I would ask whether there was another car,a Taxi perhaps BEHIND the bus ?
With your Full attention on the Busdriver,is it possible that you did'nt spot a Taxi pulling in behind the bus also responding to your "Waving" signal,which the Busdriver did,in his mirrors.could that be a possible scenario?...I would suggest,based upon personally witnessing such events on a daily basis,that it could.

In your initial post JST1,you state that ...

I rang Dublin bus and did a complaint

.....which indicates that you already HAVE set the complaints process in motion,which is why I now find your latest query asking about where to complain somewhat confusing.

If you have made the complaint,then let the process work through,and let us know how it is resolved,that is the point of the entire process.

It is worth pointing out that ALL Customer Observations are now centralized through the 8734222 number,and whilst a Depot may take certain details out-of-hours,it will eventually be handled through the Central system.

AlekSmart

Deleted User wrote: »

I think AlekSmart was trying to say - in a nice way - that it was your fault, or else it was nobody's fault.

I don't think he was trying to say this because you are pregnant; I think he was trying to say this because the driver works for Dublin Bus - and by definition can't be at fault.

Sorry for what happened to you, but that's the way it is. They have a monopoly, and they can do whatever they like. Another driver would have seen what you were at and would have stopped and waited,and the rule book would be nowhere to be seen - but when someone doesn't do that and instead gets his jollies at the expense of a pregnant woman, he and his employer will simply wave the rule book at you or anyone else who comments.

Have to call Ulysses1874 on this one I'm afraid.

Perhaps it's my writing style,but for clarity,nothing of what Ulysses1874 ascribes to me is accurate.

Firstly In common with every other poster on this thread I'm not in a position to make judgements on who is at "fault",or indeed if anybody is.

What I am suggesting is that there are some different possible scenario's covering the incident as described,all of which may lead to a different final viewpoint being taken.

The statement that

They have a monopoly, and they can do whatever they like

is not alone misleading,but totally and proveably false.

Neither am I "Waving a rule-book" at anybody in this case,although there are many instances where such waving will become an ever increasing part of our daily lives in many different areas.

I am equally interested as to how,from the details as outlined by JST1,anybody can make statements from this remote platform such as ..

Instead gets his jollies at the expense of a pregnant woman,

....even Freud would have struggled to reach such a wide-ranging conclusion on an individuals personality from this remove ?

This is my own opinion as a Busdriver,and you are welcome to challenge and disagree as you wish Ulysses1874,however,I repeat that in JST1's case,I would see some alternative scenarios,which,when viewed through a windscreen or in a mirror,might allow a different conclusion to be arrived at.

To wade in,as Ulysses1874 does,delivering judgements on Individuals,Companies and Procedures without even nodding in the direction of a "scéal eile" merits,I feel,a challenge.

Tarabuses

I think you are taking advantage of JST1's use of the word waving when she has explained "also I waved as always extended my arms not like for a taxi." in message #11.

Hopefully there is a good reason for the driver's behaviour although even your suggestion that he reacted to an early bell doesn't explain why he would then act in the way JST1 described "I was almost near the bus when bus driver start to slowly drive off from me. Like the stupid joke I was walking and he was driving further."

BabysCoffee

JST1 wrote: »

I don't know if anybody had situation as me with Dublin bus, but if yes please advised what is the best to do.

I was waiting for a bus 46A galloping green to Dunlaoghaire at 8.30 today. I waived for a bus driver but he didn't slow down, so I waved again and he stopped few meters from me. I know is Saturday and no traffic, but I think he should pay attention who's waving. I was walking towards him so he saw me in the mirror. Just let me explain I was walking as I can not run because I am 9MONTHS PREGNANT WOMAN. So I don't know what happened? I was almost near the bus when bus driver start to slowly drive off from me. Like the stupid joke I was walking and he was driving further. After few more steps he just speed it up and drove off and left me standing confused, stressed and frustrated in the rain, what just happened. Did he expected that 9 months pregnant will be running after him even that I waived for him to stop? I don't know. I took next bus 75(really nice bus driver )and when I arrived to Dunlaoghaire this bus was there but bus driver strange enough wasn't in.
I rang Dublin bus and did a complaint but is any other way to make sure that will be some consequences?
If you had any similar situation please advised what you did.

What's with the waving? The correct way to stop a bus is just to put your hand out.

Waving could be misunderstood. For all we know the bus driver thought you were waving at a friend across the street.

JST1

I think Ulysses 1874 was right whatever I will say will be always my fault according to AlekSmart. Well that's sad. I rang to make complain but u have to put it in writing. So thats why was my post for advice.
Anyway AlekSmart ; I see you will blame me for whatever happened that day but I know my truth. Small understanding would be nice AlekSmart.
With your scenarios ( always my fault ) i can not agree but its me and in your mind I am guilty one.

BTW AlekSmart: I have never seen coronation street sorry 😠I'm not watching lots of TV. Guilty?😉

And as I said already I won't stress over your comments. Have more important things to take care of FAMILY.

So AlekSmart whatever you say good to know that never argue with bus driver because they never will see customer point of view and customer is always guilty one. So other words do not waist time u won't get even compromising sorry. All what u get is scenarios where u are the guilty one on the bus stop. Sad, sad, sad. 😔 well thanks AlekSmart for your point of view eyes opener.😭

cdebru

JST1 wrote: »

Just to straight everything up. I understand sometimes can be confusion it happened. I waved on time I wasn't on the phone an I was only one person on this stop. I wouldn't mind if driver pass me and keep going it happened to me before and I never complain.
But what I found really wrong is that he chose to stop for me. And believe me u can see I'm pregnant. If he chose to stop why he didn't wait just start to go further bit by bit an then just drove off. I don't mind waiting for next bus but he stopped and drove off.
And also I waved as always extended my arms not like for a taxi. And no other car was in front of the bus.
Anyway I just asked where to complain as I have right to do this and thank you for all your response.

Waved on time means nothing, it is not a clear signal if the driver is not looking at you when you wave ( because he has lots of other stuff to watch as well) then from the drivers perspective there is no signal.

If he wanted to be an ass then he would have just kept going.

How do you know the driver could see you were pregnant? How do you know what view he had as they approached and passed you, how do you know what view he had in the mirror that would have revealed you were pregnant ?

Chances are he didn't continue to wait and moved off for either of the reasons one Alek pointed out ie he never stopped for you in the first place so was completely oblivious to you or he did stop for you and was doing you a favour as it was a late signal then decided you were not making a reasonable effort to get to the bus because he didn't know you were pregnant and decided to move off.

Either way you are beating your head off a wall, going by your own description it is a misunderstanding nothing intentional the driver didn't do anything wrong and certainly nothing he could be disciplined for going by your own account.

billie1b

cdebru wrote: »

Waved on time means nothing, it is not a clear signal if the driver is not looking at you when you wave ( because he has lots of other stuff to watch as well) then from the drivers perspective there is no signal.

If he wanted to be an ass then he would have just kept going.

How do you know the driver could see you were pregnant? How do you know what view he had as they approached and passed you, how do you know what view he had in the mirror that would have revealed you were pregnant ?

Chances are he didn't continue to wait and moved off for either of the reasons one Alek pointed out ie he never stopped for you in the first place so was completely oblivious to you or he did stop for you and was doing you a favour as it was a late signal then decided you were not making a reasonable effort to get to the bus because he didn't know you were pregnant and decided to move off.

Either way you are beating your head off a wall, going by your own description it is a misunderstanding nothing intentional the driver didn't do anything wrong and certainly nothing he could be disciplined for going by your own account.

If the driver is driving a bus and doesn't notice a woman thats standing at the bus stop is 9 months pregnant, he should not be driving the bus

cdebru

JST1 wrote: »

I think Ulysses 1874 was right whatever I will say will be always my fault according to AlekSmart. Well that's sad. I rang to make complain but u have to put it in writing. So thats why was my post for advice.
Anyway AlekSmart ; I see you will blame me for whatever happened that day but I know my truth. Small understanding would be nice AlekSmart.
With your scenarios ( always my fault ) i can not agree but its me and in your mind I am guilty one.

BTW AlekSmart: I have never seen coronation street sorry 😠I'm not watching lots of TV. Guilty?😉

And as I said already I won't stress over your comments. Have more important things to take care of FAMILY.

So AlekSmart whatever you say good to know that never argue with bus driver because they never will see customer point of view and customer is always guilty one. So other words do not waist time u won't get even compromising sorry. All what u get is scenarios where u are the guilty one on the bus stop. Sad, sad, sad. 😔 well thanks AlekSmart for your point of view eyes opener.😭

Interesting line " but I know my truth"

It is actually the essence of the whole thread it is your truth all Alek and others have tried to point out to you is that there may well be another truth.

cdebru

billie1b wrote: »

If the driver is driving a bus and doesn't notice a woman thats standing at the bus stop is 9 months pregnant, he should not be driving the bus

Really you should suggest it as part the driving test then.

Seems harsh though
http://www.examiner.com/article/nun-birth-woman-was-unaware-of-pregnancy-rieti-italy

Holding drivers up to a standard of being able to spot a pregnant woman when some women don't even know they are pregnant!!!!

JST1

@cdebru: " another thruth" always blaming me?
And " some women they don't even know they are pregnant" ? o my you are so rude that's beyond me and really upsetting. As I said I want a bit of understanding and awareness, attention. But your comment is way out of the line for me and upsetting. Hope life will treat you good.

billie1b

cdebru wrote: »

Really you should suggest it as part the driving test then.

Seems harsh though
http://www.examiner.com/article/nun-birth-woman-was-unaware-of-pregnancy-rieti-italy

Holding drivers up to a standard of being able to spot a pregnant woman when some women don't even know they are pregnant!!!!

If you believe she didn't know she was pregnant you're a gullible donkey!
Bus drivers training includes knowing all the stops on their route, its on their training to look out for the stop and recognise the pax standing at them, if a driver looks at a pax and doesn't notice a nine month baby bump they should not be driving or seriously need their eyes tested. My father of 45 years bus driving, brother of 10 years and Uncle who was a driver and now an inspector agrees with me.

JST1

@babyscoffee; waving to stop a bus I mean extend my arm to words the street and waive up and down as you want to stop a bus.

JST1

"Firstly In common with every other poster on this thread I'm not in a position to make judgements on who is at "fault",or indeed if anybody is.

What I am suggesting is that there are some different possible scenario's covering the incident as described,all of which may lead to a different final viewpoint being taken."

Thank you Aleksmart for clear this up as I felt really judged by you.

cdebru

JST1 wrote: »

@cdebru: " another thruth" always blaming me?
And " some women they don't even know they are pregnant" ? o my you are so rude that's beyond me and really upsetting. As I said I want a bit of understanding and awareness, attention. But your comment is way out of the line for me and upsetting. Hope life will treat you good.

So you are saying that there is only one perspective here?
That the driver and yourself had the exact same view and knowledge of the situation ?

If you accept that you both had completely different perspectives and that you can't read the drivers mind no more than the driver could read yours then you might see that there are at least two truths.

How you think it is rude to point out that some women don't know they are pregnant is beyond me, you are jumping to the presumption that the driver knew you were pregnant if you open your mind to the possibility that driver may not have known then it might allow you to see what others are pointing out to you.
It is not black and white.

cdebru

billie1b wrote: »

If you believe she didn't know she was pregnant you're a gullible donkey!
Bus drivers training includes knowing all the stops on their route, its on their training to look out for the stop and recognise the pax standing at them, if a driver looks at a pax and doesn't notice a nine month baby bump they should not be driving or seriously need their eyes tested. My father of 45 years bus driving, brother of 10 years and Uncle who was a driver and now an inspector agrees with me.

Yeah gullible enough to believe you have contacted your father, brother, uncle yada yada yada pull the other one.

Why would the driver be trying identify anyone at a stop he wasn't intending to stop at ??

BabysCoffee

JST1 wrote: »

@babyscoffee; waving to stop a bus I mean extend my arm to words the street and waive up and down as you want to stop a bus.

I don't think you should be waving your arm up and down when flagging a bus.

It's just a straight out extended arm. No waving up and down.

Perhaps you caused this confusion?

billie1b

cdebru wrote: »

Yeah gullible enough to believe you have contacted your father, brother, uncle yada yada yada pull the other one.

Why would the driver be trying identify anyone at a stop he wasn't intending to stop at ??

You see thats your problem, you dont know how it works, a driver is trained to check every bus stop, not just drive past them. I didnt have to contact my family, we are all here together, we've a sick member in our family

Just if you want to know, my family is in its 3rd generation of Bus drivers, i'm the only son that didn't follow that route, I have cousins (kids of my uncle) also Bus Drivers, im like the black sheep of the family

cdebru

billie1b wrote: »

You see thats your problem, you dont know how it works, a driver is trained to check every bus stop, not just drive past them. I didnt have to contact my family, we are all here together, we've a sick member in our family

Just if you want to know, my family is in its 3rd generation of Bus drivers, i'm the only son that didn't follow that route, I have cousins (kids of my uncle) also Bus Drivers, im like the black sheep of the family

Of course you do, never having sat behind the wheel of a bus you are the expert. And you have a huge family of bus drivers all sitting beside you nodding their heads in collective agreement with everything you say.

billie1b

cdebru wrote: »

Of course you do, never having sat behind the wheel of a bus you are the expert. And you have a huge family of bus drivers all sitting beside you nodding their heads in collective agreement with everything you say.

No im telling you what they are saying, your just peeved cause you know the driver was in the wrong and didn't do his job properly, you just won't admit it.

billie1b

cdebru wrote: »

Of course you do, never having sat behind the wheel of a bus you are the expert. And you have a huge family of bus drivers all sitting beside you nodding their heads in collective agreement with everything you say.

You also don't know if I have sat behind the wheel of a bus, I hold my D license

cdebru

billie1b wrote: »

No im telling you what they are saying, your just peeved cause you know the driver was in the wrong and didn't do his job properly, you just won't admit it.

No just peeved that your large bus driving family are more concerned with the OP than the sick relative they are supposed to be visiting ;-)

Maybe the manager in Donnybrook will contact you for your expert opinion that your DNA has bestowed on you.

Losty Dublin

billie1b wrote: »

Bus drivers training includes knowing all the stops on their route.... My father of 45 years bus driving, brother of 10 years and Uncle who was a driver and now an inspector agrees with me.

You should ask your bus driver relations what a "spare man" is.

cdebru

billie1b wrote: »

You also don't know if I have sat behind the wheel of a bus, I hold my D license

Oh so now you are a bus driver as well it gets better. Keep going did a great great grandfather drive the horse drawn trams over the Carlisle bridge giving you further insight into what happened?

JST1

@cdebru: you talking about me and my situation not SOME women it is like you throwing link in my face and this is sad as we are talking about me so saying "some women don't know they are pregnant" sounds like you are talking to me ( that's how I took it but maybe this perspective wasn't in your head when you post it hmm ). Well I said I know my truth as I know what I saw and I did. I never said I don't see other perspective. In perspective from Aleksmarsamrt I was always the guilty one, as you see later on Aleksmart explained he didn't mean to judge anybody and I did thank him for it. I will leave it your thoughts to you as I'm really upset now about your link and how harsh you can be. I won't reply to yours opinion anymore. Take care cdebru.

billie1b

cdebru wrote: »

Oh so now you are a bus driver as well it gets better. Keep going did a great great grandfather drive the horse drawn trams over the Carlisle bridge giving you further insight into what happened?

No I never said I was a bus driver, im not but I do hold a license, I got it years ago and then went into my career that im in now. I couldn't care if you believe me or not, it shows that you know im correct cause you resorted to snide remarks. Enjoy your evening

cdebru

JST1 wrote: »

@cdebru: you talking about me and my situation not SOME women it is like you throwing link in my face and this is sad as we are talking about me so saying "some women don't know they are pregnant" sounds like you are talking to me ( that's how I took it but maybe this perspective wasn't in your head when you post it hmm ). Well I said I know my truth as I know what I saw and I did. I never said I don't see other perspective. In perspective from Aleksmarsamrt I was always the guilty one, as you see later on Aleksmart explained he didn't mean to judge anybody and I did thank him for it. I will leave it your thoughts to you as I'm really upset now about your link and how harsh you can be. I won't reply to yours opinion anymore. Take care cdebru.

The link was in reply to a post that said a driver should know if a woman is pregnant at every bus stop he approaches. If you can't see that is patent nonsense given that some women don't even know they are pregnant never mind the size body shape build clothes etc etc nor the fact that the driver was driving a large vehicle with all the other things he has to concentrate on he is supposed to study stops he is not stopping at to see if anyone is possibly pregnant.

JST1

Ok thank you everybody for advise and opinions.
I post this thread just asking if any of you had same situation and to give me advice where to complain. All comments appreciated.
But I don't like what I see a specially from cdebru. I don't want people to get on each other. I do not like fights. I wanted advised and understanding, everybody has right to own opinion and nobody should judge us for it.
I think I will close that discussion and wait for a result from dublin bus.
Thank you who agreed with me.
And who didn't. Well maybe we misunderstood each other and everybody has own opinion which I thanks for too.
Cdebru hope you will relax and stop being so angry at others ( looks like you are but maybe I'm wrong ) wish you all the best.

Beside all of it I will still wave to stop the bus and as always with smile saying good morning to all bus drivers as I always do ( if they let me in hahah ).

Thank you all again.

cdebru

JST1 wrote: »

Ok thank you everybody for advise and opinions.
I post this thread just asking if any of you had same situation and to give me advice where to complain. All comments appreciated.
But I don't like what I see a specially from cdebru. I don't want people to get on each other. I do not like fights. I wanted advised and understanding, everybody has right to own opinion and nobody should judge us for it.
I think I will close that discussion and wait for a result from dublin bus.
Thank you who agreed with me.
And who didn't. Well maybe we misunderstood each other and everybody has own opinion which I thanks for too.
Cdebru hope you will relax and stop being so angry at others ( looks like you are but maybe I'm wrong ) wish you all the best.

Beside all of it I will still wave to stop the bus and as always with smile saying good morning to all bus drivers as I always do ( if they let me in hahah ).

Thank you all again.

Not angry at all, just curious as to why you joined this site and came straight to community and transport to start a thread as soon as a bus drives past you ?
And then hand out faux outrage with anyone who doesn't jump on your bandwagon.

BuffyBot

Everyone take note. Civility is not optional around here. Review the forum charter before posting again

AlekSmart

AlekSmart wrote: »

....This is my own opinion as a Busdriver.....

Cheers for that crucial piece of information. I, on the other hand, don't drive a bus, am not biased and have no axe to grind.

Anyone who slows down so that a heavily pregnant woman can run for a bus and then speeds away again is getting their jollies at the expense of a pregnant woman. That's not a nice thing to do.

This is my own opinion as someone who doesn't drive a bus.

Polar101

I'm surprised how many interpretations of the original post there are.. obviously the driver saw the OP since he stopped at the stop, but then for some reason didn't wait for her to get on. Not all passengers can sprint towards the bus, so I'd say the driver made a little mistake here. I think it's easy to understand why any passenger would be annoyed.

I would also wager a very small amount of money that if Dublin Bus talks with the driver, he'll say he didn't think the OP wanted to get on the bus.

Victor

billie1b wrote: »

Put your complaint to Dublin Bus on twitter too, let it be publicised, absolute wanker of a driver to do that, especially being so far along in your pregnancy

Constructive posts only please. No need for abusive comments.

cdebru wrote: »

No just peeved that your large bus driving family are more concerned with the OP than the sick relative they are supposed to be visiting ;-)

Maybe the manager in Donnybrook will contact you for your expert opinion that your DNA has bestowed on you.

cdebru wrote: »

Oh so now you are a bus driver as well it gets better. Keep going did a great great grandfather drive the horse drawn trams over the Carlisle bridge giving you further insight into what happened?

Less personalising of posts please.

Moderator

cdebru

Polar101 wrote: »

I'm surprised how many interpretations of the original post there are.. obviously the driver saw the OP since he stopped at the stop, but then for some reason didn't wait for her to get on. Not all passengers can sprint towards the bus, so I'd say the driver made a little mistake here. I think it's easy to understand why any passenger would be annoyed.

I would also wager a very small amount of money that if Dublin Bus talks with the driver, he'll say he didn't think the OP wanted to get on the bus.

The driver didn't stop at the stop, he stopped after the stop which means

A He either never saw the poster and hence didn't stop for her at all or

B He saw the poster only when she waved the second time which was too late for him to stop and the stop so he pulled in after the stop.


Late signal the driver is under no obligation to stop if he stopped for a late signal he did so to out of the goodness of his heart. If he then formed the opinion that the passenger was not making a reasonable effort to get to the bus as quickly as possible he is well within his rights to proceed on given he was under no obligation to stop in the first place.
Now as it turns out the poster claims they are 9 months pregnant which would obviously give you a genuine reason for not being too nimble on your feet, however you would have to give the driver the benefit of the doubt that he didn't know that at the time considering he had stopped for her in the first place when he did not have to.


Lastly the cameras will show exactly what happened if the OP gave a clear signal in good time if she did the driver was obliged to stop for her if not then the driver wasn't end of story.

It is funny what some people consider to be a clear signal in good time like their arm down by their side with one finger sticking out or merely taking a single step forward. They will write letters and emails claiming this that and the other but the camera tells a completely different story.

Vic_08

Deleted User wrote: »

Cheers for that crucial piece of information. I, on the other hand, don't drive a bus, am not biased and have no axe to grind.

Anyone who slows down so that a heavily pregnant woman can run for a bus and then speeds away again is getting their jollies at the expense of a pregnant woman. That's not a nice thing to do.

This is my own opinion as someone who doesn't drive a bus.

So you think that there is a driver intentionally targeting pregnant women? Sounds like rubbish to me.

There are of course some drivers who are arseholes, same as in any job, one or two of my colleagues would definitely fit that category but I highly doubt any would do what has been suggested in this thread.

If the driver had for whatever reason not wanted to stop he would have done just that; drive past without stopping.



In my experience as a driver the most likely explanation is that the driver did not see the person or their intention to hail the bus for some reason and only realised late that there was someone at the stop that may have wanted the bus so stopped late which meant the bus was further up the road.

Then when he had stopped as either it appeared the person was not moving to get the bus or because he couldn't actually see her at all he moved off.

People assume that if they can see the bus then the driver can see them, this simply is not true. The side mirrors on a bus are to help in driving the bus and only give a narrow angle of view down the side. You can be quite close to the bus, particularly on the left side and be out of view.

Maybe I am wrong and the driver is a bond villain type who is right now sitting at home stroking his white cat and laughing over the pregnant woman he drove off from but I highly doubt it.

spareman

I am a 46A driver and I used to post here a lot.
The user names have changed but the witch hunt goes on.
From reading the last 4 pages I remember why I'm not active here anymore.
Sad, that is all.