trouble with internships

westmeathman

whats the story with internships 50 euro on top of the dole ?? can an employer contribute a sum of money to ( accommodate fuel cost to work ) or just say 100 euro per week without any hassle to the employee or the employer for working say a 40 hour week . it maybe a long shot but some do it in cash and some do through the books its not much but it would encourage more people to take up one if it wasnt trouble

spank_inferno

Its all so Forbes Magazine & the FT can run articles on how 'competitive' & 'business friendly' Ireland is.

Then the Taoiseach & Minister Noonan cut out these articles & masturbate into them.

Seems stupid, but I can't possibly think of a good reason asking already qualified people to spend 1.5 years of their labour working for free.

Scortho

spank_inferno wrote: »

Its all so Forbes Magazine & the FT can run articles on how 'competitive' & 'business friendly' Ireland is.

Then the Taoiseach & Minister Noonan cut out these articles & masturbate into them.

Seems stupid, but I can't possibly think of a good reason asking already qualified people to spend 1.5 years of their labour working for free.

What about say a job that requires experience? A job where your college degree just isn't good Some industries don't want graduates, they'd rather someone with a year or two experience and pay slightly better because they're more experienced.

At the same time does one really need to do an internship in stacking shelves or waiting tables. Don't think so.

Hijpo

I would have an issue with working 37 hours a week for less than the minimum wage what does it work out at around 6.50 an hour or something? for 9 months and most places want 2 years experience would that mean id have to complete 3 stints of these internships before being considered for a job?

AngryHippie

IMO,
Experience is king. you can have degrees coming out of your ring, but if you don't know how to do a days work, it doesn't make a difference.
There are plenty of over-qualified bell-ends out there pretending they are ****-hot at there jobs, where someone far less qualified, but with a few years experience could get the same result in less time.

Every employer is aware of this.

That being said, I don't agree with paying people peanuts, or with internships. You should have KPI's targets and a bonus system. You produce the goods or service, you get paid as you should.

Not E50 extra on top of your dole. That's all sorts of unfair.

RichardAnd

AngryHippie wrote: »

IMO,
Experience is king. you can have degrees coming out of your ring, but if you don't know how to do a days work, it doesn't make a difference.
There are plenty of over-qualified bell-ends out there pretending they are ****-hot at there jobs, where someone far less qualified, but with a few years experience could get the same result in less time.

Every employer is aware of this.

That being said, I don't agree with paying people peanuts, or with internships. You should have KPI's targets and a bonus system. You produce the goods or service, you get paid as you should.

Not E50 extra on top of your dole. That's all sorts of unfair.

I agree with you. I learned more in the first few weeks of my first job than I in the whole four years of my stint in college. A modern degree is of such low quality, it isn't even funny.

Unpaid internships are not the answer however. Everyone needs to learn, and if an employer wants staff then they do need to accept that the ideal person is not always available. In my opinion, rigorous interviewing and a six month probation is the weapon of choice for an employer who wants to recruit hard-working and diligent staff.

Unpaid work only creates despondency. If I sat in my office every day with the knowledge that I'm doing work for someone without being paid by them, I would soon turn very, very bitter towards them. That's hardly the mindset of a good employee.

I don't agree with internships, however what would you propose for say a young person with a weak leaving cert or weak fetac results , no experience, from and area of high unemployment, has no social capital ( also know as contacts in the world of work ) or role models because he/she has been brought up by a non working parent.

How do you think they should get at least work experience or something to help them get a job.

Scortho

mariaalice wrote: »

I don't agree with internships, however what would you propose for say a young person with a weak leaving cert or weak fetac results , no experience, from and area of high unemployment, has no social capital ( also know as contacts in the world of work ) or role models because he/she has been brought up by a non working parent.

How do you think they should get at least work experience or something to help them get a job.

Agreed, however some if the job bridge internships take the piss

clairefontaine

mariaalice wrote: »

I don't agree with internships, however what would you propose for say a young person with a weak leaving cert or weak fetac results , no experience, from and area of high unemployment, has no social capital ( also know as contacts in the world of work ) or role models because he/she has been brought up by a non working parent.

How do you think they should get at least work experience or something to help them get a job.

Problem is there are internships that require PHDs. The employer gets very cheap labor for this scheme.

It's not as if they are restricted to college students during summer break.

westmeathman

That is all well and good to the comments made but no one has answered if it would interfere with an employer or the employee on his internship payment if the employer was to offer some extra money as kind offer as not to been seen as a greedy person taking on cheep staff . I do think if it was there to be offered without hassle on both parties more people would take it up

Sleepy

Like many things, there's nothing wrong with internships in principal imo but there's a lot wrong with the implementation. An internship should be like an apprenticeship: you provide cheap labour in exchange for mentoring and experience. If you're not offering candidates the opportunity to develop genuinely marketable skills or the potential to turn the position into a paid one, you shouldn't be allowed to take part in the scheme imo.

ressem

mariaalice wrote: »

I don't agree with internships, however what would you propose for say a young person with a weak leaving cert or weak fetac results , no experience, from and area of high unemployment, has no social capital ( also know as contacts in the world of work ) or role models because he/she has been brought up by a non working parent.

How do you think they should get at least work experience or something to help them get a job.

There is such a thing as a paid internship. This can combine formal structured training and part-time paid work.

Under current rules the employer can have a trial period of up to 11 months to try out an employee and release with minimal redundancy costs. And get €7500 to €10,000 in cash back from the state to compensate for the risk when they take on someone previously unemployed for a year.

The money that was (is) taken from the pension funds supposedly to fund jobsbridge could fund an apprenticeship system modeled on the German system which covers 140 trades or so, instead of the irish one that covers less than 20, the standard of the Irish training is often disparaged.

Instead we have Fas being renamed, and a bit of window dressing for the same old courses. E.g. a pre-course introduction day (and external trainers are expected to provide this for free.)

Jobsbridge is lazily throwing state cash at a wall and claiming success is the single digit percentage of applicants that might get a position that they would not have otherwise achieved.

Many host organizations are just taking applicants because they are free with no thought or ability to effectively mentor them. Paying money with no benefit aside from to get people out of their house into a routine isn't sustainable. Especially when a condition of jobsbridge participation is to block eligibility for simultaneous state sponsored training.

ressem

Anyway, for the OP.

10.
Will I get any top up contributions from the Host Organisation?
There is no employer top up contribution. However, there is nothing to prevent a Host Organisation reimbursing an Intern for expenses incurred as part of the
internship

http://www.jobbridge.ie/toolkit/faqintern.pdf

So, today we saw the PhD internships being offered free breakfast and lunch. Wonder if the intern has to declare this to Revenue along with car parking levy etc?

srsly78

Companies can provide free (or subsidised) food in staff canteen without it counting as BiK, so long as it's available to all employees (even interns). Google and others do this.

Thus if they denied the free food to interns then the company would not be able to offer it tax free to others.