Frozen

cloud493

If there's a topic for this already I apologise I just can't find it, surprised there isn't one. This was easily my favourite film of 2013, to the extent I've now seen it 11 times The mickey mouse short at the beginning looks a better in 3D as well. And the soundtrack is nothing short of magical

johnny_ultimate

cloud493 wrote: »

If there's a topic for this already I apologise I just can't find it, surprised there isn't one. This was easily my favourite film of 2013, to the extent I've now seen it 11 times The mickey mouse short at the beginning looks a better in 3D as well. And the soundtrack is nothing short of magical

I must ask: why? It's a decent film and all, but I'm always left wondering how and why people can a film so many times in such a short space of time. If I watch even a great film twice in quick succession it runs the risk of ruining it through overfamiliarity. But 11 times in barely a month... I'd honestly never want to watch the film ever again if I was forced to do that with one of my favourites.

As for the film itself, it's a lot of fun, with rich animation, a lot of energy and a familiar narrative with some solid, sometimes imaginative delivery and character development. The music is even quite strong, two or three songs as catchy as anything from Disney's history (Fixer Upper is particularly hummable). There's a few obvious issues. The talking snowman is absolutely unnecessary and a sad indicator that a wacky talking sidekick is seemingly mandatory in any Disney film. There's a few other concessions to the standard family film formula, too, and the whole thing outside the more imaginative setpieces breaks little new ground. But it is thoroughly enjoyable and energetic as long as you're willing to accept certain Disneyisms.

cloud493

Cos I love it. Its just great. Its a good movie when I'l actually pay for the soundtrack off itunes.

Tasden

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

There's a few obvious issues. The talking snowman is absolutely unnecessary and a sad indicator that a wacky talking sidekick is seemingly mandatory in any Disney film. There's a few other concessions to the standard family film formula, too, and the whole thing outside the more imaginative setpieces breaks little new ground. But it is thoroughly enjoyable and energetic as long as you're willing to accept certain Disneyisms.

I thought he made the movie! Loved the snowman, thought he was going to have a more central role in the end actually-

thought the act of love needed was going to be him melting for her- that line where he said "some people are worth melting for" so sweet

. I'm not usually a fan of animated films but this one was lovely- doubt I'd watch it twice though.

johnny_ultimate

cloud493 wrote: »

Its a good movie when I'l actually pay for the soundtrack off itunes.

Technically, that's only proof it's a good soundtrack

cloud493

There's certain bits you kinda notice on a second watch. Like

at the beginning, when Elsa strikes Annas head. Its her crying over Anna that melts the ice.

Mr E

No spoilers, but there is a part near the end where it looks like things were going to end badly. When I saw it in the cinema with my nephew and niece, you could have heard a pin drop when that particular scene happened, followed seconds later by the sound of lots of kids around me sobbing and crying.

Gotta love Disney.

cloud493

The only criticism I'd venture is it feels its a song or so short.

TheIrishGrover

I really liked it. Thought the animation was stunning and the voice acting was spot on (Fair Play to Kristen Bell for doing her own, impressive, singing). Was actually surprised in it once or twice

Hans' reveal. Thought he was just gonna be the poor also-ran

I didn't have a problem with Olaf the snowman. I thought initially he was going to be a horrible Dreamworks eyebrow-y, popculture spouting (and thus instantly dated) sas-filled character but he was actually a pretty nice (If a bit unnecessary) character.

I did have a bit of a problem with the reindeer. He had his moments

I thought his tongue stuck to the ice when they were thrown out of the ice-palace was VERY funny for some reason

. But I thought he was just too Disney-animal cutesy.

I also thought the tone and character design, while pretty, was too similar to Tangled.

But overall I liked it.

cloud493

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

Tad spoilery.

Sad Professor

It definitely has that classic Disney spirit that has been lacking from their films for a long time. But it’s also heavily compromised by commercial interests. For all the radical stuff (for Disney) about female empowerment, there’s also a lot demographic pandering, starting with the title itself. The film is a musical about two sisters with a love-conquers-all narrative that isn’t about heterosexual romance. Yet you’d never know it from the title or marketing, which downplayed everything that was interesting or unique about the film.

Even within the film itself, the filmmakers are only willing to go so far before they feel the need to balance it out with more conventional stuff to appeal to young boys. The annoying and pointless sidekicks, the pedestrian set-pieces, etc. There’s also something terribly undercooked about the final act. It’s supposed to be a musical - where the hell did the songs go? If the outtakes on the deluxe soundtrack is anything to go by, they all ended up on the cutting room floor.

It’s a good film, with an intriguing central character and two or three fantastic musical numbers, but it's also one of the biggest missed opportunities of the year. Maybe Broadway will do a better job with it. Or maybe they already did. I haven’t been to see Wicked but I've heard Frozen owes more to it than it does to Hans Christian Andersen’s The Snow Queen.

constitutionus

according to today FM its now become the most sucessful disney movie of all time, over taking the lion king !

didnt see that coming.

JP Liz V1

It is also going to Broadway

FloatingVoter

I'll give this a watch.....but I will need beers first to bring out the inner child. So thats Sunday afternoon sorted and Monday written off. I love animation.

cloud493

http://www.clickonline.com/movies/frozen-sing-along-version-coming-to-irish-cinemas-in-february/22405/

Yes

IvaBigWun

cloud493 wrote: »

http://www.clickonline.com/movies/frozen-sing-along-version-coming-to-irish-cinemas-in-february/22405/

Yes

A musical version .... of a musical?

cloud493

Sing along version!

Warper

Brilliant film. All that it is missing is a villainous villain to be one of the best animation flicks

constitutionus

went to see it last week and i thought it was great.

now im NOT a fan of the old school Disney "Singing every ten seconds" stuff but its been that long since i seen that in a film it didnt really annoy me.

its a musical anyway in all the ways that matter IMO.

If i was a kid between 6 and 11 id've fecking loved this as visually its as impressive as its score. a real throwback to the old ways of doing things and while the cynic in me can see the PC stuff i for one thought the "act of love" needed was a nice twist.

i wouldnt go see stuff like this often but its deffo was worth the effort and the songs actually do MEAN something instead of the happy clappy stuff ya usualy get. nice example of a flim actually derserving how its doing.

cloud493

The blu ray is out tomorrow even though its still in the cinemas.

Outkast_IRE

Great movie, it hurts me to say this, but its better than most of the Pixar studios output in the last couple of years.

Lets hope this is the beginning of a great run of animations.

JP Liz V1

Now the top grossing animated film of all time

Oafley Jones

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Now the top grossing animated film of all time

Not adjusted for inflation. Still, who'd have envisaged that it would perform anything like it has.

Tasden

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Not adjusted for inflation. Still, who'd have envisaged that it would perform anything like it has.

Yeah its was a good movie but tbh the more successful it becomes the more I'm baffled as to why

cloud493

Cos its amazing

Outkast_IRE

Tasden wrote: »

Yeah its was a good movie but tbh the more successful it becomes the more I'm baffled as to why

Im not and I believe it works for the following reasons.

1. Returns to the classic Disney formula, which so many adults will have fond memories of
2. Very well written, the dialogue is sharp and flows well.
3.Excellent story telling.
4. Great musical score (like old school Disney).
5. Animation looks excellent, really high quality production.
6. Enjoyable jokes for both adults and kids.
7. They have included a loveable animal, this is almost a necessity in a hit.
8. Nice little twist at the end to break the spell........

Overall Disney has done an excellent job, unfortunately they will probably attempt to ride it for sequels.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Only saw this last night. I was doubtful after how successful it's been that it could really be that good, but it was.

The Disney Princesses of my youth never appealed to me. I was a bit of a tomboy, I'll admit, so the "princess" aspect was never going to win me over plus all she ever did was sit around and talk to cutesy animals and wait for the prince to save her. The new breed of Disney Princesses are so much better. There's still the pretty dresses and crowns and all that jazz to appeal to the girly girls but they're so much better developed as characters now. I don't know if 10 and 11 year olds are aware of what they're seeing in that respect but these princesses are girls that get stuff done, they don't sit around waiting to be saved. It can only be a good thing for kids to see.

As mentioned before the twist on an act of true love at the end was really nice. I assumed Hans' kiss wouldn't work but I did think it was just going to pave the way for Christoff to save the day. I thought it was beautiful the way they played it out.

As for Olaf, I didn't mind him so much. I thought it was lovely how he had been created in their childhood by Elsa and was almost like a connection to their past. Then the giant monster snowman Elsa created later on was in stark contrast to the little guy she created in childhood.

I didn't notice it while watching but as some have pointed it out now it was maybe lacking a big closing musical number. A reprise of Do You Want To Build A Snowman would have been nice.

FunLover18

Not gonna lie; I was underwhelmed. It's very good but it's no where near Pixar and I don't think it's trying to be. The animation for me was mediocre (as was Tangled) and had a cheap direct to DVD feel for me. I think the relationship with between the sisters could have been fleshed out more, I also felt the film focused on the wrong sister. Anna is relatively boring, whereas Elsa is the one who has the real issues and she's pretty much a supporting character.

I thought the songs were weak, Let It Go felt oddly restrained and tame. All in all I felt it could have done with being a little longer and the songs could have done with extra umph. Tangles is a better film for me, possibly because there are less characters to focus on.

Dozen Wicked Words

FunLover18 wrote: »

Not gonna lie; I was underwhelmed. It's very good but it's no where near Pixar and I don't think it's trying to be. The animation for me was mediocre (as was Tangled) and had a cheap direct to DVD feel for me. I think the relationship with between the sisters could have been fleshed out more, I also felt the film focused on the wrong sister. Anna is relatively boring, whereas Elsa is the one who has the real issues and she's pretty much a supporting character.

I thought the songs were weak, Let It Go felt oddly restrained and tame. All in all I felt it could have done with being a little longer and the songs could have done with extra umph. Tangles is a better film for me, possibly because there are less characters to focus on.

I liked Tangled better too, for similar reasons, but to say frozen is nowhere near pixar is not comparing it with that studios recent output. Brave, cars 2 and Monsters University. None of which have much soul to speak of, Brave, the only original idea out of those felt very flat to me, and the story very thin. Pixar in its prime, I absolutely agree, but things ain't what they used to be there. Only hope inside out bucks the trend.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

^ Was thinking the same thing. Pixar haven't done a really great film since, in my opinion, Wall-E. And even the few between it and Nemo weren't great. That said I agree that all in all Tangled is the better film.

EDIT: How different is Disney from Pixar though? Aren't half the Pixar guys in charge of Disney's animation studios anyway?

Dozen Wicked Words

John Lasseter is a Pixar man, creative boss there and Disney. Dare say there is a lot of cross pollination of ideas now. I always think they wouldn't have made cars 2 as fully independent studio. Glorified toy ad. You only have to endure Disneys Planes to see how close the studios must be now. Cars with wings.

Now that's a sh*t film.

FunLover18

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

I liked Tangled better too, for similar reasons, but to say frozen is nowhere near pixar is not comparing it with that studios recent output. Brave, cars 2 and Monsters University. None of which have much soul to speak of, Brave, the only original idea out of those felt very flat to me, and the story very thin. Pixar in its prime, I absolutely agree, but things ain't what they used to be there. Only hope inside out bucks the trend.

I think comparing Frozen with Cars 2 and MU is difficult that they're very much different genres. Cars 2 is dire crap, and the less said about it the better. I thoroughly enjoyed MU for what it was which was an enemies become friends, coming of age comedy.

Brave is a much fairer comparison and I have to say I thought it was better purely because the character were much better developed, I could believe that daughter/mother relationship because time was dedicated to it (EDIT Also, the Brave animation is just gorgeous; we can talk for hours on which is a better film BUT animation wise there's no comparison between the two). In Frozen we had one scene of Anna and Elsa playing before Elsa disappeared into her room and although I enjoyed the "Do You Want To Build A Snowman" montage I couldn't quite grasp the extent of their separation (when was the last time they saw each other before the Coronation) I know it's a bit picky but I think in order to believe that relationship I needed to know what exactly I was believing. HOWEVER all that said I'm a 23 year old male and clearly not the target audience. My 6 year old cousin absolutely loves the film and it's great to hear her belting out 'For the First Time In Forever'

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

John Lasseter is a Pixar man, creative boss there and Disney. Dare say there is a lot of cross pollination of ideas now. I always think they wouldn't have made cars 2 as fully independent studio. Glorified toy ad. You only have to endure Disneys Planes to see how close the studios must be now. Cars with wings.

Now that's a sh*t film.

It's weird though because Disney never do sequels of their films, proper for cinema sequels, where as Pixar seem to do them a lot.

Dozen Wicked Words

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

It's weird though because Disney never do sequels of their films, proper for cinema sequels, where as Pixar seem to do them a lot.

Yeah, toy story did have sequels. Felt like they had a story for them, and they worked, the profits from merchandise a great bonus. Cars felt like they had merchandise and the story was the after thought. Lack of original ideas now, or worry about taking a risk? means we had MU, Cars 3 is on the way (shudder) after the Nemo sequel.

FunLover18

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

It's weird though because Disney never do sequels of their films, proper for cinema sequels, where as Pixar seem to do them a lot.

I will be shocked if Frozen doesn't get a sequel and despite my criticisms I'd probably be just a little excited too. Loved Olaf!

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

Yeah, toy story did have sequels. Felt like they had a story for them, and they worked, the profits from merchandise a great bonus. Cars felt like they had merchandise and the story was the after thought. Lack of original ideas now, or worry about taking a risk? means we had MU, Cars 3 is on the way (shudder) after the Nemo sequel.

Toy Story 2 was originally supposed to be straight to DVD but then Disney decided they wanted to release it in the cinemas. It was completely rewritten and reanimated then. I don't know if Disney maybe viewed Pixar as a way to cash in on sequels and merchandise without tarnishing their own animation reputation if they flopped?

FunLover18 wrote: »

I will be shocked if Frozen doesn't get a sequel and despite my criticisms I'd probably be just a little excited too. Loved Olaf!

I heard that they were planning one. Given it's bizarre massive popularity it would be amazing if they didn't.

FunLover18

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

Yeah, toy story did have sequels. Felt like they had a story for them, and they worked, the profits from merchandise a great bonus. Cars felt like they had merchandise and the story was the after thought. Lack of original ideas now, or worry about taking a risk? means we had MU, Cars 3 is on the way (shudder) after the Nemo sequel.

I think Finding Dory has some potential, given that she's a character who has no idea who she is or where she came from. There are some original works in the pipeline but unfortunately it's the known names that are getting the headlines.

Incredibles 2 was announced which I cannot be more excited for, of all the Pixar films it's the one that clearly warranted a sequel.

Cars 3 can go f*** itself

Snake

Personally I think it was rubbish... My girlfriend made me get in on the Sky box office to watch it.. She liked it, but it wasn't as good as the hype... It wasn't good at all I feel

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

I stand corrected about the Frozen sequel. They're not even discussing it according to Disney's CEO. They are however doing a Wreck It Ralph sequel, announced 2 years after the original, so the Frozen sequel is not off the table entirely.

Dozen Wicked Words

FunLover18 wrote: »

I think Finding Dory has some potential, given that she's a character who has no idea who she is or where she came from. There are some original works in the pipeline but unfortunately it's the known names that are getting the headlines.

Incredibles 2 was announced which I cannot be more excited for, of all the Pixar films it's the one that clearly warranted a sequel.

Cars 3 can go f*** itself

How did I manage to forgot about Incredibles 2. Excellent! Wonder if it'll start with the Underminer, he'll have to feature somewhere anyway to get John Ratzenberger in!

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

There's 7 films slated for release before Incredibles 2, so don't hold your breath for it

Dozen Wicked Words

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

There's 7 films slated for release before Incredibles 2, so don't hold your breath for it

D'oh.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Sorry to hijack the thread here but......Speaking of The Incredibles, kind of, Brad Bird is trying to get Warner Bros to release The Iron Giant on Blu Ray. Apparently they only want to release your bog standard disc while he wants to do a super cool big fat collectors edition. He was asked about it on twitter and suggested people tweet Warner Home Ent to show them how much interest there would be in it. I don't even own a Blu Ray player but I would splash out if I could get The Iron Giant on Blu Ray.

There's a bit more about it here, if you're interested... http://www.rotoscopers.com/2014/04/24/help-brad-bird-bring-the-iron-giant-to-blu-ray-collectors-edition/ .... if you haven't seen it I suggest you do. One of the best ever animated films.

Now.... back to Frozen... or Pixar... what were we talking about ? ?

Lyaiera

I hope there won't be a Frozen sequel. I'm sure there'll be a prolonged cash-in (I'd prefer not) but an in-cinemas full film production would be too much.

I saw this the other day. It's a great, absorbing Disney film. I spent a lot of time thinking on the significance of scenes while watching it, so I actually feel I missed out on a lot. There were some amazing touches, and the integrity and complexity of the script held throughout.

I loved Olaf (the little snowman) as a living embodiment of a suppressed/deleted memory and the honesty and innocence of that memory. An event that set off huge problems along with a simple mistake by the parents.

And it was Disney with a positive message. Which I think is a great thing.

tunguska

Just finished watching this(probably the only person on the planet who hadn't seem it) and I have to say I loved it. Not usually big on the overly knowing animated films but this was almost perfect. Too many songs in the first half though, I actually think it would've been the perfect movie without the musical numbers.
But these are minor gripes, I think this will become a Christmas classic.

lertsnim

tunguska wrote: »

Just finished watching this(probably the only person on the planet who hadn't seem it)

There's still a few of us.

Dirty Dingus McGee

I watched it a couple of weeks ago.A very enjoyable film and the animation is really beautiful.

tunguska

lertsnim wrote: »

There's still a few of us.

What are you waiting for then, give it a go, you won't be sorry. Best to be seen at Christmas as well, like was said already, the winter animation looks beautiful