Should I tell my job I'm leaving

EdenHazard

Going to America at the end of May with my mates who are doing J1.
Should I tell my job now that I'm thinking of going? I have citizenship so in theory I could say to them Im gonna decide in May if I'm going to go or not(book flights last minute) In reality I already have flights already booked.
Its a part time job by the way. Im thinking if I tell them I'm going they will just ask me to go now.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Tell them in advance. No need to burn your bridges by leaving them in the lurch. It's extremely unlikely that they'll ask you to leave now.

McDook

EdenHazard wrote: »

Going to America at the end of May with my mates who are doing J1.
Should I tell my job now that I'm thinking of going? I have citizenship so in theory I could say to them Im gonna decide in May if I'm going to go or not(book flights last minute) In reality I already have flights already booked.
Its a part time job by the way. Im thinking if I tell them I'm going they will just ask me to go now.

Never tell your employer you are leaving til you have to. If you do you will probably learn that lesson well

So whatever your notice period. Only tell them then.

Dave0301

EdenHazard wrote: »

Going to America at the end of May with my mates who are doing J1.
Should I tell my job now that I'm thinking of going? I have citizenship so in theory I could say to them Im gonna decide in May if I'm going to go or not(book flights last minute) In reality I already have flights already booked.
Its a part time job by the way. Im thinking if I tell them I'm going they will just ask me to go now.

Just keep working, and hand in your notice when required to by your contract. It could be anything from a week up to a month.

I don't see any reason to set out to deliberately mislead them.

Keano!

Did the same with my own place of employment. Handed in notice 3 weeks before leaving so they could prepare and find a replacement. (week earlier than required)

After J1 they re hired me so I'd say 100% do it all above board and leave on good terms because then it helps for future work there if needed or a nice reference

Frank Black

McDook wrote: »

Never tell your employer you are leaving til you have to. If you do you will probably learn that lesson well

So whatever your notice period. Only tell them then.

Ridiculous 'advice'. I suspect you've very little real-world experience.

Ireland is a small country. My advice, never burn your bridges with anyone.

Give your employer as much notice as you can so they can find a replacement and ensure a easy transition.

yawhat!

No one can answer for you or you need to give more information.

If its a good company and you get on well with the manager and people there then they usually keep you on and you get to train in the new person.

If there a pack of pricks in there they will probably let you go at the end of your notice.

It all depends on your skill level and how valuable of an asset your are to the company. You should be able to decide yourself what way to go. If you give them plenty of notice they will be more likely to hire you again in the future if you wanted to go back working there. If there are pricks then just give them your notice closer to the time.

McDook

Frank Black wrote: »

Ridiculous 'advice'. I suspect you've very little real-world experience.

Ireland is a small country. My advice, never burn your bridges with anyone.

Give your employer as much notice as you can so they can find a replacement and ensure a easy transition.

As someone who has been working for many different companies in several different countries, for the last 25 years, and been in the OPs situation more than once, I think i'm qualified to give my opinion.

Whats your real-world experience then ?

gandalf

Typically you need to give a months notice on most contracts. Depending on what you do and how hard it is to source people in that profession then maybe give them a little more time to source someone so you can do a handover and say this to them when you hand your notice in. Again that depends on the industry, if its a business where someone can replace you easily and they can hire for it with ease then use your contract notice term. Good luck in America!

lilymc

Or, read this to find out by law how much notice you have to give if not stated in your contract, presuming you have one.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/unemployment_and_redundancy/losing_your_job/losing_job_entitlements.html

Mr. Loverman

McDook wrote: »

[give them] your notice period

Frank Black wrote: »

Ridiculous 'advice'... never burn your bridges with anyone.

How is giving notice as per your notice period burning bridges?

JDxtra

Your circumstances may change between now and May. Give them your notice period with maybe a week or two extra if you like. No pointing telling them now in case your plans go pear shaped.

padser

Frank Black wrote: »

Ridiculous 'advice'. I suspect you've very little real-world experience.

Ireland is a small country. My advice, never burn your bridges with anyone.

Give your employer as much notice as you can so they can find a replacement and ensure a easy transition.

In general I'd agree with this although yawhat! gave a post with excellent advice as well.

The most important thing you take with you when you leave a role are the "references" (both formal and informal) that you take with you. Do everything you can to leave on good terms.

Phantasos

How could you abandon Chelsea when they're at the top of the table?!?

Frank Black

McDook wrote: »

As someone who has been working for many different companies in several different countries, for the last 25 years, and been in the OPs situation more than once, I think i'm qualified to give my opinion.

Perhaps you wouldn't have had to move around so much if your attitude to your Employer was better.

McDook

Frank Black wrote: »

Perhaps you wouldn't have had to move around so much if your attitude to your Employer was better.

My attitude to my employers have been fine. Why wouldnt it be?

So, after insulting me for advising the OP to give their contracted notice period, and telling me that I musnt have any real-world experience, then you come back with another childish statement.

God help us.

Frank Black

McDook wrote: »

My attitude to my employers have been fine. Why wouldnt it be?

So, after insulting me for advising the OP to give their contracted notice period, and telling me that I musnt have any real-world experience, then you come back with another childish statement.

God help us.

If you think you've been insulted you should report post to a Mod - can't see it myself.

You recommended that the OP give absolute min notice period to his Employer, despite being in a position to give more notice - that advice is plain wrong unless you're deliberately trying to screw over your Employer and don't mind leaving them with a bad feeling towards you. Anytime I've left Employment, I've given my Employers as much notice as possible as I work in a small industry where you will end up bumping into the same people throughout your working life - perhaps the OP does as well. It's a sensible attitude which ensures you don't get a poor reputation with Employers and that you don't burn any bridges as it can take longer than a month to arrange a replacement and carry out a proper hand-over.
I guess you've chosen a hobo-type approach to working and you don't mind screwing over your Employers - perhaps the OP would be better advised not to go down this route though.

Mr. Loverman

Frank Black, giving notice as per the legal requirements (or contractual requirements) is not screwing over the employer.

I'm sorry to be blunt, but what you are saying is wrong and could result in the OP being sidelined.

Frank Black

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

Frank Black, giving notice as per the legal requirements (or contractual requirements) is not screwing over the employer.

I'm sorry to be blunt, but what you are saying is wrong and could result in the OP being sidelined.

Being side-lined from a job you're leaving anyway - don't see any major downside to this.

Potentially leaving an Employer in the lurch and getting a bad reputation in your chosen industry - major downside.

Not really sorry to be blunt, but you're wrong,

Mr. Loverman

You're funny.

Best of luck.

waraf

Phantasos wrote: »

How could you abandon Chelsea when they're at the top of the table?!?

Maybe Mata signed in to Hazard's boards.ie account.

Seriously though OP, I would say it's way to early to tell your employer as anything could happen between now and May and you may need to keep the job over the summer.

maximoose

Frank Black wrote: »

Being side-lined from a job you're leaving anyway - don't see any major downside to this.

Leaving in 4 months. I don't know what industry OP is in but in a lot of part time jobs, especially in retail, part timers will have a low set minimum contracted hours but regularly get extra hours on top of that. Telling them now that he is going to be leaving could see him only get his contracted hours and lose out on money. This has happened to my OH twice when she tried to do her employers a favour by giving longer notice, they cut her hours to the minimum and brought in someone cheaper.

Not really sorry to be blunt, but you're wrong

There is no point in the OP giving any more notice than required. Employer sets the notice period in the contract, it's hardly screwing them by serving it. You're wrong.

viper006

OP, having been in your position afew times over the years just check on your contract what your notice period is and just make sure you give your employeer the required notice. This will be absolutely fine.

If your notice period is very short like a week or so .be no harm giving your employeer abit more notice much closer to the time. You have 4 months to go so trust me focus on doing a good job for now and don't worry about notice periods.

Quite frankly i find frank black posts bizarre and very childish. There is absolutely nothing wrong at all with giving contracted notice even if you know your leaving before. As said before just focus on doing a good job and worry about notice periods much closer to the notice period on your contract

Mrs OBumble

Frank Black wrote: »

Give your employer as much notice as you can so they can find a replacement and ensure a easy transition.

The OP is going with mates on a J1 - so I'm picking that they're in a job at the lower-skilled end of the spectrum, where finding and training in a replaceemnt won't be difficult, or take long.

Giving a little more than the contracted notice (eg 6 weeks rather than 4 if a month is required, or 2 weeks rather than one if only one is required) is being more than flexible, and proividing the employer with plenty of time. And it's protecting the OP in case his/her life circumstances change in the meantime.



The ONLY exception is if you're a permanent employee in a multi-national that has a head-count reduction programme in place. In this case, informally letting your manager know that you plan to leave is a good idea - because if they get the call that they have to pick one to lose, they can choose you and thereby get you payout and save someone else's job.

Holsten

Don't tell them anything, as soon as you do you're likely to be let go if they can do it easily.

whirlpool

Frank Black wrote: »

Being side-lined from a job you're leaving anyway - don't see any major downside to this.

Potentially leaving an Employer in the lurch and getting a bad reputation in your chosen industry - major downside.

Not really sorry to be blunt, but you're wrong,

I would never hire you. For anything.

Your statements have been contradictory throughout this thread and your attitude was unnecessarily bad from your very first comment.

OP I wouldn't recommend taking any advice from this poster. Especially his outrageous initial suggestion that giving your employer the required notice would result in burning bridges. Absolute and utter nonsense.

Frank Black

Frank Black wrote: »

Ridiculous 'advice'. I suspect you've very little real-world experience.

Ireland is a small country. My advice, never burn your bridges with anyone.

Give your employer as much notice as you can so they can find a replacement and ensure a easy transition.

Yeah, whats the problem giving the agreed notice period? How is this rediculous advice, or burning bridges?

Evident from reading this thread that Frank Black is on his own here.

He seems to have some sort of issue / attitude... wouldnt be taking his advise.

As everyone has said (with the exception of you know who), giving your contractual notice period is well sufficient, and in no way leaving your employer in the lurch.

I definitely wouldnt be telling your employer now, as this may work against you, they may find a replacement for you and let you go...

witchgirl26

OP - if you have a good relationship with your manager maybe mention now that you're thinking of going on the J1. Sound him out as to whether there'd be a chance of returning to the job should you come back & want to.

Then when it comes to it, give your notice as per the contract with maybe a couple of extra weeks as a gesture.

I have never given longer than my notice period (has always been a month) and despite being in a small industry (well probably big but feels small as you always know someone), I've never had a problem doing this and haven't burned any bridges.

Good luck

Bandana boy

If I had a good relationship with my Manager I would verbally tell him off your intention but not give it in writing until closer to the date.

drumswan

Frank Black wrote: »

Being side-lined from a job you're leaving anyway - don't see any major downside to this.

Potentially leaving an Employer in the lurch and getting a bad reputation in your chosen industry - major downside.

Not really sorry to be blunt, but you're wrong,

You dont know what you are talking about.

1630

Frank Black wrote: »

Being side-lined from a job you're leaving anyway - don't see any major downside to this.

Potentially leaving an Employer in the lurch and getting a bad reputation in your chosen industry - major downside.

Not really sorry to be blunt, but you're wrong,

This post is bollix. Just work out your notice period OP, which is probably two weeks depending on the length of time you are working there. If you did want to leave on a better note though, give a months notice. People leave jobs all the time and employers are not going to be shocked or hold it against you.

EdenHazard

Update bros, so the time is moving on. I need to keep my job for the month of April and I feel if I tell them now they will just let me go(even though I'm a good worker) Can they legally just tell me to pack my bags there and then? Im pretty popular where I work so I see them letting me go on a whim as being negligible. I'm pretty much most of my co-workers avorite person to work with. I'm worried because in their mind it gets busy in the summer(doesn't particularly irl) and they may feel they need to bring in someone new during a more quiet period.
Just need some solid advice. Oh and one of the managers asked me 'Was I leaving?' to which I replied 'considering...' I was put on the spot so skated around it.

FudgeBrownie

Keano! wrote: »

Did the same with my own place of employment. Handed in notice 3 weeks before leaving so they could prepare and find a replacement. (week earlier than required)

After J1 they re hired me so I'd say 100% do it all above board and leave on good terms because then it helps for future work there if needed or a nice reference

Spot on. If your job is part time and your role is easily replaceable, then give 3 weeks, maybe 4. This will give enough time for a replacement. Also means they're more likely to re-hire you afterwards as you haven't been a dick and left them short at the last minute.

More importantly, go enjoy yourself in America.

EdenHazard

FudgeBrownie wrote: »

Spot on. If your job is part time and your role is easily replaceable, then give 3 weeks, maybe 4. This will give enough time for a replacement. Also means they're more likely to re-hire you afterwards as you haven't been a dick and left them short at the last minute.

More importantly, go enjoy yourself in America.

You know it, but like I said I need the month of April to make some money for going, do I tell them now since they seem to have an inclination or do I just drag it out till like late April and then tell them of my intentions?

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EdenHazard wrote: »

You know it, but like I said I need the month of April to make some money for going, do I tell them now since they seem to have an inclination or do I just drag it out till like late April and then tell them of my intentions?

What notice requirements are in your contract. They are also bound by the same.
Or you could phone NERA for information.

FudgeBrownie

EdenHazard wrote: »

You know it, but like I said I need the month of April to make some money for going, do I tell them now since they seem to have an inclination or do I just drag it out till like late April and then tell them of my intentions?

Just tell them at the start of April, or maybe half way through. That should give you plenty of time. A month's notice is most likely more than fine. Most jobs ask you to give the same amount of notice as a pay period (2 to 4 weeks).

Or you could say you will be going to America so can you just take unpaid leave for the summer. If not what is the worst that can happen? You'll be in America anyway and can look for another job when you're back.

Fluorescence

Check your contract. If you don't have one, the minimum notice period is only a week anyway. If you're hoping to keep your employer open to accepting you back after the summer, give them 2/3 weeks.

It's retail like, you don't need to be giving months and months of notice.

the_syco

What sector do you work in OP? How much training was involved in getting you up to speed when you first joined the job?

dealhunter1985

McDook wrote: »

Never tell your employer you are leaving til you have to. If you do you will probably learn that lesson well

So whatever your notice period. Only tell them then.

completely agree!
I've heard more times of people getting burned because they tried to be nice by giving their employer additional notice, only to have it thrown in their face.

JustAThought

dealhunter1985 wrote: »

completely agree!
I've heard more times of people getting burned because they tried to be nice by giving their employer additional notice, only to have it thrown in their face.

From experience I agree totally with this. Attitudes change when you say you are leaving - & yiu certainly don't want to be let go early to enable them to train someone in or recruit one of the tens of thousands who are already overqualified and over experienced for your job who are already begging at their door for work. There are 400,000 people looking for work in this country & tens if thousands emigrating - if u were smart you'd be working extra hard to make them remember how fantastic you were, giving just the required notice - assuming its a month - & seeing if there might be a way you could return for te winter months after your J1. Definately do NOT give them 4 or even 3 or 2 months notice. Madness.

EdenHazard

Well I won't be giving them 4 months notice seeing as I'm leaving in a month(plan to finish up a couple of weeks before leaving to focus on exams, dat der family time) Do they legally have to wait out the duration of the notice that I decide, i.e ''I plan to finish up Sunday the 11th of May''

EdenHazard

the_syco wrote: »

What sector do you work in OP? How much training was involved in getting you up to speed when you first joined the job?

Literally no training, its just a shop like and had previous experience.

_Kaiser_

OP: You have to give them the notice set out in your contract or as required by law. No more, no less.

I would however always try to leave on a positive note especially if you might want to work there again when you return, but also because Ireland is a very small country and you could very well end up working with some of them again in the future.

The amount of people I've met from previous companies or school over the years is mad!

maguic24

Frank Black wrote: »

Perhaps you wouldn't have had to move around so much if your attitude to your Employer was better.

A lot of people move to different companies to gain more experience, for a change of scenery, for travel reasons .......for a whole range of different reasons.

I love my job but I want to experience life and working in different places and for different companies. I hope to work for other companies in the future, I'm not being forced to leave per se........

I don't think the poster responded irrationally, he/she was simply stating what experience they have...and in fairness if you have worked for different companies the last 25 years then you would have more experience with notice periods compared to someone who worked for the same company the last 25 years.