Dubai World Cup Carnival 2014- Meydan

unitedrover

The Dubai World Cup Carnival kicks off tomorrow at Meydan. I think this meeting deserves a thread of its own and tbh its far easier to see people's fancies and thoughts on it than trying to weed them out in the daily thread.Going by the results in the last few years Mike De Kock and Godolphin are the ones to watch for winners and rarely leave a meeting empty handed. The trouble is with which ones as they like throwing a few darts at some races and apparent stable first strings don't always win.

My fancies for tommorrow's card;
3.40- El Estruendoso NAP
4.15- My Freedom
4.50- Gabrial
5.25- Brendan Brackan
6.00- Anaerobio N.B.

Keeping stakes to a minimum for the first day or two. There should be a good few pointers coming from tomorrow's card and next weeks one for the rest of the carnival.

marc96

Keep an eye for variety club and vercingetorix.both are superstars.variety club been horse of the year twice in sa and vercingetorix already a multiple group winner beating lots if group 1 winners in last two races,lost Abit of weight in quarantine but will put it all back on,all mikes horses need a run due to 5 months travelling

Soft Falling Rain

Meydan wouldn't be Meydan without having most of the favs not even placed. Welcome back you oul beaut. :pac:

SRFC

Might start laying them SFR :pac: watch them win then,your name sake was a good thing out there last year a few times.

unitedrover

Nice win for Anaerobio so puts me in front for day 1 (just about). Could have another win in him?

Soft Falling Rain

SRFC wrote: »

Might start laying them SFR :pac: watch them win then,your name sake was a good thing out there last year a few times.

Aye, SFR and Kassiano are generally reliable sorts at Meydan. Think SFR was actually unbeaten until they brought him over to the UK, no idea why they did that.

Soft Falling Rain

Going to do an SDS Lucky in the opening 4 races which are:

Saxo Jack 2.30
Autumn Lily 3.05
Emirates Flyer 3.40
Tha'ir 4.15

It looks like a good booking of rides so you never know. :pac:

The Mig

Gonna go for a Lucky 63

Mutin 2:30
Wedding Ring 3:05
Figure of Speech 3:40
Dabadiyan 4:15
Reynaldothewizard 4:50
Validus 5:25

sting60

4.15 Thair 5/1 takes the eye.Code Of Honor beat him last time but jockey booking suggests Thair is first choice.He has been gelded so handicaps will be his thing at the carnival and his run behind Toronado is by far this best form on offer.All his best form is on firm so this ultra quick surface will be a major plus.The only worry is his draw in 1 as he likes to come late and fast.2.30 Mutin 9/1 has been contesting Group races in Europe so wont have the same harsh quarantine problems faced by De Kocks SA runners.The field is made up of under priced handicappers that may improve but 9/1 about a horse running a few levels below his previous runs is outstanding value.Anyone wanting to have a bet on the dogs tonight[Sky 212] t2 Lode Esteem 9.06 is a good thing.Have taken 11/8 and 5/4 about a dog that should be 2/5. Less than 29 secs to collect handy money and bookies priced this up wrong big time.

mike65

Charlie Appleby did well when he took over as the no2 trainer at Godolphin when you know who got binned, I'm going back his charges at Meydan.

MEYDAN 14:30 HANDICAP (3YO+) 1m 3f
Cat Omountain

MEYDAN 15:05 FILLIES CONDITION STAKES 7f
Autumn Lily

MEYDAN 15:40 STAKES (3YO) 7f
Safety Check

MEYDAN 16:15 HANDICAP (3YO+) 1m 2f
Energizer

mr.jingle

Safety Check got something like a suspect ride there by Barzalona, could be just me but looks like they knew what was coming first and second from the start!

NaiveMelodies

mr.jingle wrote: »

Safety Check got something like a suspect ride there by Barzalona, could be just me but looks like they knew what was coming first and second from the start!

Oh yeah spot on, massive gambling coup by the Arabs........

kryogen

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Meydan wouldn't be Meydan without having most of the favs not even placed. Welcome back you oul beaut. :pac:

3 favs win in the first 3 races today

carpothepunk

Kavanagh is some price on the blue here.

unitedrover

Gonna go for Mike de Kock's Lehaaf here. Too much boys in blue winning today.

He wasnt based in S.Africa (I think) so should have a strong chance here.

marc96

unitedrover wrote: »

Gonna go for Mike de Kock's Lehaaf here. Too much boys in blue winning today.

He wasnt based in S.Africa (I think) so should have a strong chance here.

Lehaaf was in South Africa pal.on a nice mark here today.

unitedrover

marc96 wrote: »

Lehaaf was in South Africa pal.on a nice mark here today.

I clearly read it wrong so. Different owner I guess.


De Kock will surely get on the scoreboard next week, entries pending of course. Mars is going to make an appearance too sometime during the carnival.(world cup night and super Saturday possibly).

marc96

unitedrover wrote: »

I clearly read it wrong so. Different owner I guess.


De Kock will surely get on the scoreboard next week, entries pending of course. Mars is going to make an appearance too sometime during the carnival.(world cup night and super Saturday possibly).

Week 4 onwards is when u will see the winners.im told mars isn't been pushed and they taking it slow.shea Shea and soft falling rain will run once only so as to be fresh for Europe.

rossom

Educate apparently makes his Dubai debut on Thursday 30th of Jan. Very much looking forward to seeing how he gets on over there.

unitedrover

marc96 wrote: »

Week 4 onwards is when u will see the winners.im told mars isn't been pushed and they taking it slow.shea Shea and soft falling rain will run once only so as to be fresh for Europe.

You're right there.Last year he only had 2 winners in the 1st two weeks and about 12 or 13 winners at the rest of the carnival. I'm probably way off with them figures but it does show that even though he might be a slow starter mid carnival seems to be his peak time.Something to keep in mind with a view to making a profit.

There's a good write up too on his Meydan runners in today's RP. A lot of his better runners have the World cup night as their aim with maybe a prep run sometime before it.

I've heard a lot about his quarantine problems and horses being behind in work. Are they worse than other years?or is it just the media making a big issue out of it.

marc96

unitedrover wrote: »

You're right there.Last year he only had 2 winners in the 1st two weeks and about 12 or 13 winners at the rest of the carnival. I'm probably way off with them figures but it does show that even though he might be a slow starter mid carnival seems to be his peak time.Something to keep in mind with a view to making a profit



There's a good write up too on his Meydan runners in today's RP. A lot of his better runners have the World cup night as their aim with maybe a prep run sometime before it.

I've heard a lot about his quarantine problems and horses being behind in work. Are they worse than other years?or is it just the media making a big issue out of it.

Yeah the horses hot to Dubai late and running about a month behind.they spend 30 days in Cape Town,90 days in Mauritius,21 days newmarket then 2-3 weeks in Dubai,so in other words no training for over 5months.

Trust me when I say the winners are coming.

mr.jingle

rossom wrote: »

Educate apparently makes his Dubai debut on Thursday 30th of Jan. Very much looking forward to seeing how he gets on over there.

Think he will do well over there as they usually go off at a stupid pace in front setting up for the late comes such as Eduacate, just needs tha bit of luck in running as always!

What races are they looking at Rossom? I'd imagine it's group races now or would he go off around top weight in a handicap

rossom

mr.jingle wrote: »

Think he will do well over there as they usually go off at a stupid pace in front setting up for the late comes such as Eduacate, just needs tha bit of luck in running as always!

What races are they looking at Rossom? I'd imagine it's group races now or would he go off around top weight in a handicap

Yeah I think he'll do well over there too.

Haven't a clue what sort of races he's going over there for but given he's now rated 112 you'd have to assume it's group races all the way.

Hope Johnny has been earmarked to ride him there.

unitedrover

Thursday Jan 23rd

2.30- Merhee
Think it could be a good day for De Kock today. Fitness has to be taken on trust but with a good draw this could go close.

4.15- Daddy Long legs
Formerly with AOB and won the UAE derby at the track in 2012. Has had a prep run so should have a good chance. Also Zip Top is interesting too for charlie Appleby.He hasn't ran since 2nd to Camelot in the racing post trophy and was banned for steroid use.

4.50-Anaerobio N.B.
Won well in a handicap two weeks ago. This is a group race but he won well and possibly was undercooked so I'm confident he can make the step up in grade.

5.25- El Estruendoso NAP
Bit of a puzzler with De Kocks running 3. However despite not being the 1st string today , I fancy El Estruendo who was a big eyecatcher 2 weeks ago running on late in a race with no pace. Probably needed the run so he should go much closer here.

Goldcupfav

Think Manalapan for Paddy Prendergast in the 4.15 is worth a bet at 8/1 with 365. Took to Dundalk really well in two starts there last October. Ran a good second behind Parish Hall staying on really well at the finish. Still fairly unexposed with only seven lifetime starts could go well if ready to run.

kiers47

Spencer often takes some flack but that is one of the best rides you'll see all year on a horse who usually finds a way of getting beat!!

sting60

Talking to the owner of Jamsie will need the run and will win in three weeks.I put this horse up as a big time Meydan winner.Marnane told them dont come over until end of Feb when I really fancy him.You call Barney a rouge.

unitedrover

Educate returns

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/racecards/30-01-2014/meydan/racecard/602758/al-rashidiya-sponsored-by-dubal-group-2-stakes-turf

MadHorse

Got a tip earlier in the week for Certify 3.50 G2. He is supportable burning up the gallops and expected to win Probable SP 4/6

UrbanSea

Lads I may be dreaming but am I right in thinking Godolhpin often have races between their horses at Meydan as part of training

marc96

Merhee
Cron brulee
Mushreq
Certify

All to win

mike65

MEYDAN 14:40 HANDICAP (3YO+) 5f
Ahtoug @ 6.00

MEYDAN 15:15 HANDICAP (3YO+) 1m 1f 110yds
Intrigo @ 6.00

MEYDAN 15:50 GROUP 2 STAKES 1m
Certify @ 3.00

MEYDAN 17:00 GROUP 2 STAKES 1m 1f
Steeler @ 5.50

carpothepunk

Not often I load the gun these days, but 9/4 about Certify? Jaysus.

Gringo180

carpothepunk wrote: »

Not often I load the gun these days, but 9/4 about Certify? Jaysus.

I couldn't back a Godolphin horse with any confidence let alone one off the track for over a year over using banned substances. The French filly is no mug, Certify will have to be right out of the top drawer to beat her on this ground.

UrbanSea

Flotilla is no mug but she is probably a 118 filly. Certify could have been the very best fully around last year bar Treve. Shame we didn't get to see her

carpothepunk

Appleby didnt exactly hit the ground running, but has had a couple good winners over at Meydan, with just one big flop I can remember, Desert Wings, who is an absolute handicap blot, but a headcase of a horse who ran his race in the paddock.

certify certify certify

UrbanSea

With a name like CERTify how could she possibly lose?!

carpothepunk

You know, youre right. Double stake.

unitedrover

Certify will probably win but what worries me is the drift in the market. I saw 4/6 when the market first opened and now she's 9/4.

UrbanSea

Celebrate in the Bon tonight Carpo

UrbanSea

unitedrover wrote: »

Certify will probably win but what worries me is the drift in the market. I saw 4/6 when the market first opened and now she's 9/4.

She was never 4/6 irishracing had that as projected SP. She opened up 15/8 with PP last night and was a general 13/8 before I went to bed

Gringo180

Trade Storm in the 5.00 at Meydan looks over priced 8/1. He has been running in much better races than this the past year and acquitted himself very well, my only worry would be whether or not he will be race fit. Worth the risk for me.

carpothepunk

No Bon tonight man. commerce ball last night. college bar soon and then Electric for Zane Lowe

unitedrover

UrbanSea wrote: »

She was never 4/6 irishracing had that as projected SP. She opened up 15/8 with PP last night and was a general 13/8 before I went to bed

My mistake. Think 13/8 was the proper sp i had seen. Either way she's a drifter.

UrbanSea

carpothepunk wrote: »

No Bon tonight man. commerce ball last night. college bar soon and then Electric for Zane Lowe

Forgot about that think the lads have tickets for it .Could be a shout

UrbanSea

CERTainty x

Jimmyod19

wow! That was v impressive!

Gringo180

She done that easily. Looks a nice prospect for this year.

kiers47

Fair play lads she looks a nice prospect alright. Just seen the race there now.

Tasaday for me for the Godolphin double. Has serious group 1 form and some form behind the mighty Treve. 4/1 looks fair and she gets the fillies allowance.

Tasaday Tasaday Tasaday

Jimmyod19

Tasaday was v poor! Never threatened tbh, De Kock is a big dawg is Dubai! Top quality horses.

kiers47

Not sure she would have won but she was done absolutely no favors by the false start.
She was on her toes before the restart and sweating quite badly.
Along with that he could not settle her in the race for the first 1/2 mile.
I would be putting a line through that run myself.