A fake NCT cert or a genuine mistake?

Kaiser D

So I came across this on Donedeal today,

All well and good, decent looking car, but then noticed the NCT cert,


Firstly, I think I last saw that font on a cert in around 2005.
Not sure why the red is in the top corner.
And if it had been tested in May 2013, shouldn't it have a blue/purple cert?
Also, apparently its a Ford Mondoe :pac:

Ffs, haha

corktina

must be an import. Otherwise it would be 2014

djimi

The purple cert came into effect in June 2013 so the color would be okay.

Seems very odd about the typo though.

djimi

corktina wrote: »

must be an import. Otherwise it would be 2014

I thought cars under 10 years old got a two year cert?

dougie-lampkin

The new certs came in around June 2013, so the yellow could be OK. That font and diamond shaped logo hasn't been in use since ~2009 though. And if the cert says Mondoe, then the log book and any online car checks must also say Mondoe, as they're taken from the same database rather than entered by the tester. The test date is wrong for an original Irish car and it's not an import. Simply, the disc must be a fake.

The seller just screams "dodgy" at me, look at the rest of his stuff: http://cars.donedeal.ie/find/all/for-sale/Ireland/?uid=405485

Atlantic Dawn

Putting the reg in to motorcheck.ie it comes back spelt correctly as Mondeo, pretty sure the same database for tax disc is used for NCT for car model.

corktina

djimi wrote: »

I thought cars under 10 years old got a two year cert?

exactly...it's an 04 so NCT would be to 2014 UNLESS it was an import which go from date of first reg in Ireland

Kenny Logins

corktina wrote: »

must be an import. Otherwise it would be 2014

The number is too low.

LiamoSail

Looking at his other ads, his ability to spell seems to be every bit as good as that of the person who typed up the NCT disc. Coincidence?

0ph0rce0

dougie-lampkin wrote: »

The new certs came in around June 2013, so the yellow could be OK. That font and diamond shaped logo hasn't been in use since ~2009 though. And if the cert says Mondoe, then the log book and any online car checks must also say Mondoe, as they're taken from the same database rather than entered by the tester. The test date is wrong for an original Irish car and it's not an import. Simply, the disc must be a fake.

The seller just screams "dodgy" at me, look at the rest of his stuff: http://cars.donedeal.ie/find/all/for-sale/Ireland/?uid=405485

Nice ford tranZit in there too :pac:

djimi

I know data protection is an issue, but the NCT really could use having a system where you could stick in the NCT disc number and it would return the basic details such as make/model, reg, test date etc (things you already know based on the disc).

corktina

dougie-lampkin wrote: »

The new certs came in around June 2013, so the yellow could be OK. That font and diamond shaped logo hasn't been in use since ~2009 though. And if the cert says Mondoe, then the log book and any online car checks must also say Mondoe, as they're taken from the same database rather than entered by the tester. The test date is wrong for an original Irish car and it's not an import. Simply, the disc must be a fake.

The seller just screams "dodgy" at me, look at the rest of his stuff: http://cars.donedeal.ie/find/all/for-sale/Ireland/?uid=405485

how do you know it isn't an import? Could have been imported when fairly new

djimi

corktina wrote: »

exactly...it's an 04 so NCT would be to 2014 UNLESS it was an import which go from date of first reg in Ireland

It was a 9 year old car tested in 2013; the test would be for two years, expiring in 2015, no?

conor2469

Probably just a simple typo. If you go to the the trouble of creating a fraudelent NCT cert you are not going to spell the cars model incorrectly!

EDIT: Actually disregard my comment above, I just checked his other ads, I'm surprised he spelt NCT correctly......

corktina

I'd agree, the spelling makes it 99% definite!

corktina

djimi wrote: »

It was a 9 year old car tested in 2013; the test would be for two years, expiring in 2015, no?

it would be tested at 8 and 10 years .

corktina

Kenny Logins wrote: »

The number is too low.

not if it was imported in 2004...long shot though

djimi

corktina wrote: »

it would be tested at 8 and 10 years .

Say the NCT expired on year 8 and it went without a test for a year, then it would get a two year cert that would take it to 2015 though, no?

Is it not that the date is always dated to the registration date of the car, or is it that the cert is only valid until the next test date regardless?

Eoin

Not saying it's the case here.... but there was a story a couple of months ago on the radio about a huge amount of blank NCT certs being stolen from their office somewhere.

Edit: link here: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/850-nct-certs-stolen-for-use-on-unsafe-vehicles-610054.html

djimi

corktina wrote: »

how do you know it isn't an import? Could have been imported when fairly new

Im not sure how reliable it is, but if you enter an import reg into Motorcheck (say 10D120123) then it will tell you that the car is an import. Im not sure where it gets this information from though; it might just be that the system knows that 10D120xxx is an import.

dougie-lampkin

corktina wrote: »

how do you know it isn't an import? Could have been imported when fairly new

If it was imported in 2004 would it not be impossible for it to have a 2015 NCT expiry from a 2013 test? It's also not flagged as an import on motorcheck, cartell or mywheels

(Also, an imported Mondeo LX? What poor English sod bought that new, it's a paddy special :pac:)

bazz26

It's not an import. The UK spec Mondeo LX had cruise control buttons on the steering wheel and electric door mirrors as standard. That one is a Paddy spec special.

djimi

Eoin wrote: »

Not saying it's the case here.... but there was a story a couple of months ago on the radio about a huge amount of blank NCT certs being stolen from their office somewhere.

Judging by the state of the adverts this guy has on DD, Id say its highly likely that this is the case here tbh!

corktina

djimi wrote: »

Say the NCT expired on year 8 and it went without a test for a year, then it would get a two year cert that would take it to 2015 though, no?

Is it not that the date is always dated to the registration date of the car, or is it that the cert is only valid until the next test date regardless?

no , it would be backdated to the last test (unless it was less than 3 months until the next due date)

Kenny Logins

corktina wrote: »

not if it was imported in 2004...long shot though

Sorry, I don't get you. If it was imported in 2004 it would NCT '08,'10,'12,'14,'15, no?

djimi

corktina wrote: »

no , it would be backdated to the last test (unless it was less than 3 months until the next due date)

Ah okay, sorry I thought it was backdated to the last anniversary of the date of registration.

Tails142

I like the look of the 'toiota' he is selling ;D

Colash

Anybody who would consider buying off someone who prints adds like these, needs their head checked . The grammar in these adds would put me off 100 times quicker than the "dodgy nct cert" would !

renofan

Has to be fake. Font is not correct plus if you type the reg in here it comes up as being both un-taxed and un-nctd. All other reg's that I put in of cars that are nctd come up as being so.

Seller must be fairly brazen to put up the reg though.

DIESEL TOM

it not an import just did a free history check on it. ( motorcheck.ie ) .and if it was an import it always said "this car uk import!"

Dubl07

Those adverts are surely fakes??? :eek:

corktina

"veri goot to draiv ful lain ful servis alois got taier veri economical"

wtf? He can spell economical!

wind up?

bazzachazza

In fairness it was the 11 million one hundred thousand miles it's done tact put me off it.

Eoin

djimi wrote: »

I know data protection is an issue, but the NCT really could use having a system where you could stick in the NCT disc number and it would return the basic details such as make/model, reg, test date etc (things you already know based on the disc).

Agreed - hard to see any data protection issues with that; considering most/all of that info is available on a motorcheck report.

V.W.L 11

As was pointed out by a previous poster,there was a f**k load of blank certs stolen last year if it were me i'd walk,that cert is very likely a fake,or maybe an older genuine altered cert,that font is gone a good few years

corktina

it is odd he has put the number up on DD. Is there any chance he bought it that way and is an innocent victim of the forger?

kaimera

bazzachazza wrote: »

In fairness it was the 11 million one hundred thousand miles it's done tact put me off it.

ha!

Even the 111 on the odometer looks doctored

chris445

Does the last 5 looked photoshopped to anyone else? Looks much darker than the rest of the numbers on the cert.

K.Flyer

Stolen NCT Certificate Serial Numbers..

From NCT Web site...

http://www.ncts.ie/nctcertificatesserialnumbers.html

NCT certificates and discs containing the following serial numbers
3711250 - 3711750
3830751 -3831250
were stolen during a recent robbery at an NCT centre. If you are purchasing a second hand vehicle we would urge that you please check the serial number on the NCT disc to ensure it is not stolen.
If you have any doubts regarding the validity of an NCT Certificate then please contact NCT  on 1890 200 670 and we will be quickly able to confirm the validity of the NCT certificate for you

Big Davey

Has anybody called him ? His name is vasi ! The toiota is a bargain sure the new timing belt kit and brake discs have to be worth near the €500 asking price so it's basically a free car.................
Also vasi is a Hindu name I wonder where he is from ?
http://www.babynology.com/meaning-vasi-m30.html

swarlb

The SIMI car history check we use, shows the NCT expiry date as Feb 2012, it shows the road tax expiry date as Oct 2013, and the last date of sale as Sep 2013.
Its not an import, as in imported by an individual other than Ford themselves.

Eric Cartman

In summary :

Even if the nct was real (which we know its not now) , the sheer inability of the user to even spell should have put you off the car. So now we have a ford mundane-o with no tax, no nct and big miles being sold by somebody who appears to be borderline retarded and with absolutely no command of the english language .

Standard day at donedeal really..

maxwell smart

Is the wording in the advert for the ducato text speak???

http://www.donedeal.ie/commercials-for-sale/fiat-ducato/6199844

Fred Swanson

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Cleveland Hot Pocket

conor2469 wrote: »

Probably just a simple typo. If you go to the the trouble of creating a fraudelent NCT cert you are not going to spell the cars model incorrectly!

EDIT: Actually disregard my comment above, I just checked his other ads, I'm surprised he spelt NCT correctly......

So, you make fun of the guy's spelling, but yet cannot spell the word "spelled" yourself?
:P

Cleveland Hot Pocket

corktina wrote: »

"veri goot to draiv ful lain ful servis alois got taier veri economical"

wtf? He can spell economical!

wind up?

Whats funny is in the e36 add, he spells perfectly correctly.
Someone having a joke here methinks. I think he is one leaf short of a plant

CarrickMcJoe

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Nice ford tranZit in there too :pac:

Good SPOT OphOrecO

Eoin

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

So, you make fun of the guy's spelling, but yet cannot spell the word "spelled" yourself?
:P

"Spelt" is also correct!

punisher5112

It is a buyer I wouldn't be buying off.
<snip>
I was trying to read his ad and my god do my eyes and head hurt...

bigboss1986

I rang at 9pm to ask about ford ''MONDOE'' just for the laugh..Guy is dodgy as f*ck .Could not answer my questions but said in poor english that he can meet me half way (im from Galway) .I found out that he might be from Poland (im Polish) but he is from Slovakia.
Wouldnt go near him

biko

This it not heading anywhere good.