Pre-Season Tournaments - O Byrne, Walsh, McKenna, McGrath, Waterford Crystal etc etc

KevIRL

That wonderful time of the inter-county year when all teams start afresh and on an even playing field is upon us. Love getting to some of these games when I can to see how the squads are faring up early on.

Things kick off next weekend with the first round of games and I thought it would be good as usual to have one thread to discuss games and results

BORD NA MONA O BYRNE CUP S.F.
ROUND ONE
Sunday 5th January 2014
New Ross (2.00) - Wexford v Laois
Tullamore (2.00) - Offaly v UCD
Carlow (2.00) - Carlow v Longford
Newbridge (2.00) - Kildare v Athlone IT
Navan (2.00) - Meath v DIT
Ashford (2.00) - Wicklow v IT Carlow
Mullingar (2.00) - Westmeath v Dublin
Drogheda (2.00) - Louth v DCU

McKenna Cup
Sunday 5th January: Round 1
Section A
Dún na nGall v Tír Eoghain at Letterkenny
Ard Mhacha v QUB at Athletic Grounds

Section B
Fear Manach v St Marys at Brewster Park
Muineachan v Doire at Clones

Section C
Aontroim v An Cabhán at Creggan
UUJ v An Dún at Pairc Esler

McGrath Cup
QF 5th Jan
Kerry v IT Tralee
CIT v Mary I
Cork v LIT
UL v UCC

FBD League
Round 1 fixtures 5 Jan
Roscommon v IT Sligo
Leitrim v GMIT
Galway v Sligo

ProudDUB

Get ready people of Mullingar. We's 'acomin !

Boom__Boom

New rules to look forward to.

Expect to hear lots of confusion and moaning from those who failed to prepare.

Lemlin

Cavan beat Meath in a challenge yesterday and the black card was used:

http://www.hoganstand.com/meath/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=206825

Oldtree

Looks like they have finally finalised the fixtures and dates :rolleyes:.

Mayo now starting on the 10th under lights at McHale.

http://www.connachtgaa.ie/ss_fbd.php?clubID=2155&compGroupID=15833&leagueTable=Y&det=&det=all

Then

Sunday January 12th (2pm) Mayo vs Sligo IT @ Charlestown
Sunday January 19th (2pm) Roscommon vs Mayo @ Ballinlough

can't wait

mayo.mick

Full list of fixtures here also;

http://clubfiftyone.wordpress.com/2014-fixtures/

Always_Running

Fixtures were finalised on the first week of December posted on MayoGAA twitter. Opening game pushed back because of trip to Dubai.

Oldtree

Always_Running wrote: »

Fixtures were finalised on the first week of December posted on MayoGAA twitter. Opening game pushed back because of trip to Dubai.

I'm too old for twitter

Hammer Archer

Think it's best to have one thread for all preseason tournaments.

dastardly00

Here are the fixtures for The Bord Na Mona Walsh Cup S.H. 2014 competition:

1. Laois v N.U.I.G. (12.1.2014, Rathdowney, 2.00)
2. Carlow v U.C.D. (12.1.2014, Carlow, 2.00)
3. Westmeath v D.I.T. (12.1.2014, Mullingar, 2.00)
4. Offaly v Antrim (12.1.2014, Tullamore, 2.00)
5. 1 v Wexford (19.1.2014, Portlaoise/Wexford)
6. 2 v Dublin (19.1.2014, Carlow/Parnell Park)
7. 3 v Kilkenny (19.1.2014, Mullingar/Kilkenny)
8. 4 v Galway (19.1.2014, Tullamore/Antrim)
9. 5 v 6 (26.1.2014, Home Venue 5)
10. 7 v 8 (26.1.2014, Home Venue 7)
Final 9 v 10 (2.2.2014, Home Venue 9)

Bord na Mona Walsh Shield S.H. 2014
(a) Loser 1 v Loser 2 (19.1.2014, TBC)
(b) Loser 3 v Loser 4 (19.1.2014, TBC)
Final (a) v (b) (26.1.2014, TBC)

Here are the fixtures for The Bord Na Mona Kehoe Cup S.H. 2014 competition:

1. Down v Queens University (18.1.2014, Queens, 6.00)
2. Fingal v Longford (19.1.2014, Dublin venue, 2.00)
3. Louth v G.M.I.T (19.1.2014, Louth venue, 2.00)
4. Kildare v Roscommon (19.1.2014, Kildare venue, 2.00)
5. D.C.U. v Derry (19.1.2014, St. Clares DCU, 2.00)
6. Trinity v Armagh (19.1.2014, Trinity venue, 2.00)
7. Meath v St. Patricks (19.1.2014, Trim, 2.00)
8. Wicklow v Mayo (19.1.2014, Wicklow venue, 2.00)
9. 1 v 2 (26.1.2014)
10. 3 v 4 (26.1.2014)
11. 5 v 6 (26.1.2014)
12. 7 v 8 (26.1.2014)
13. 9 v 10 (2.2.2014)
14. 11 v 12 (2.2.2014)
Final 13 v 14 (9.2.2014)

Bord na Mona Kehoe Shield S.H. 2014
(A) Loser 1 v Loser 2 (26.1.2014, TBC)
(B) Loser 3 v Loser 4 (26.1.2014, TBC)
(C) Loser 5 v Loser 6 (26.1.2014, TBC)
(D) Loser 7 v Loser 8 (26.1.2014, TBC)
(E) A v B (2.2.2014, TBC)
(F) C v D (2.2.2014, TBC)
Final E v F (9.2.2014, TBC)

iDave

Ah the magic of the cup, O'Byrne Cup that is.
I liked the format introduced last year with the group stage.

andrew1977

Louth V DCU has been switched to a Saturday evening game in Haggardstown , throw in half 7.
It was due to be Sunday 2pm in Drogheda.
Wrap up well needed tomorrow evening so

KevIRL

andrew1977 wrote: »

Louth V DCU has been switched to a Saturday evening game in Haggardstown , throw in half 7.
It was due to be Sunday 2pm in Drogheda.
Wrap up well needed tomorrow evening so

DCU 1-15 Louth 0-9

2 black cards given out in the game. Richard Brennan on 49 mins and he was replaced by James Stewart. Barry White also got a black card but no replacement was allowed as he had earlier gotten a yellow

andrew1977

KevIRL wrote: »

DCU 1-15 Louth 0-9

2 black cards given out in the game. Richard Brennan on 49 mins and he was replaced by James Stewart. Barry White also got a black card but no replacement was allowed as he had earlier gotten a yellow

Baptism of fire for a lot of the newbies on the Louth panel tonight.
Not looking forward to the Dubs Wednesday night with much optimism, a bad beating could be on the cards.
Not an ideal start to the season , especially with a red hot Division 2 season to face into .
A lot of certain starters missing from the Louth team, but felt we should be doing better.

1. Thomas Healy - Corofin
2. Aonghus Tierney - Tuam Stars
3. Joss Moore - Mountbellew
4. Edwin Murray - Killanin
5. Tomas Fahy - Killererin
6. Greg Higgins - Corofin
7. Eoin Walsh - Moycullen
8. Paul Conroy - St James
9. David O'Connell - St James
10. Gareth Bradshaw - Moycullen
11. Michael Martin - Milltown
12. Mark Hehir - Milltown
13. Eoin Concannon - St James
14. Eddie Hoare - Michaels
15. James Kavanagh - Milltown
16. Manus Breathnach - Spiddal
17. Donal O'Neill - Cortoon
18. Finian Hanley - Salthill/Knocknacarra
19. Ciaran McGrath - Corofin
20. Sean Armstrong - Salthill/Knocknacarra
21. Danny Cummins - Claregalway

Galway team to face Sligo tomorrow in the FBD. A number of new faces and two or three you'd rather not see but its good to have the season up and running again. With the weather that's predicted there could be some low scoring games tomorrow.

keane2097

andrew1977 wrote: »

Baptism of fire for a lot of the newbies on the Louth panel tonight.
Not looking forward to the Dubs Wednesday night with much optimism, a bad beating could be on the cards.
Not an ideal start to the season , especially with a red hot Division 2 season to face into .
A lot of certain starters missing from the Louth team, but felt we should be doing better.

Were you at it? How did Eoin O'Connor do for DCU?

andrew1977

keane2097 wrote: »

Were you at it? How did Eoin O'Connor do for DCU?

Yes was at the game alright, DCU put in a good display overall.DCU midfield was very good, oconnor and our own louthman Donelly as midfield partners

Parnelly park Wednesday, Dubs please go easy on us.:)

keane2097

andrew1977 wrote: »

Yes was at the game alright, DCU put in a good display overall.DCU midfield was very good, oconnor and our own louthman Donelly as midfield partners

Parnelly park Wednesday, Dubs please go easy on us.:)

Interesting to see two Louth men at centre field for DCU considering the talent Louth already have around the middle. Should be able to put together a decent spine although O'Connor could end up in the forward line either.

iDave

As it stands Kildare are as good as through with a +47 points difference in group B

They will play the winners of group A. All to play for there with everyone on 2 points. UCD are top with a +5 difference and then Wexford with +2. UCD V Laois and Wexford V Offaly on Sunday

A bit more clear cut in C and D. Its winner takes all in Dublin V DCU and Wicklow V Meath.
Wouldn't mind a Dublin/Meath showdown in Pairc Tailteann to warm January up.

RoyalCelt

iDave wrote: »

As it stands Kildare are as good as through with a +47 points difference in group B

They will play the winners of group A. All to play for there with everyone on 2 points. UCD are top with a +5 difference and then Wexford with +2. UCD V Laois and Wexford V Offaly on Sunday

A bit more clear cut in C and D. Its winner takes all in Dublin V DCU and Wicklow V Meath.
Wouldn't mind a Dublin/Meath showdown in Pairc Tailteann to warm January up.

That would be the fixture of January if it happens. And Dublin are under strength at the moment even more so then ourselves. I really hope we can both make it to the Semi's as it would be a great occasion. This video is from the 2010 quarter final and this being a semi would be just as good if not better!

KevIRL

Close game to kick off the Waterford Crystal Hurling tournament

Limerick 10-17 IT Tralee 0-9

Fireball07

KevIRL wrote: »

Close game to kick off the Waterford Crystal Hurling tournament

Limerick 10-17 IT Tralee 0-9

Everyone else might as well give up, Liam is ours in 2014

iDave

Dublin knocked out by DCU

dastardly00

Waterford Crystal Cup preliminary round:

UL 1-11 Waterford 0-10
Tipperary 3-20 Limerick IT 0-5

TouchingVirus

iDave wrote: »

Dublin knocked out by DCU

On points difference, discussion here.

Carlow beaten by UCD in the Walsh Cup by a point: 1-11 to 0-13. Dublin vs UCD next Sunday in Parnell Park

dastardly00

Updated results and fixtures for The Bord Na Mona Walsh Cup S.H. 2014 competition:

1. Laois 1-14 - 1-17 N.U.I.G.
2. Carlow 0-13 - 1-11 U.C.D.
3. Westmeath 4-12 - 3-17 D.I.T.
4. Offaly 0-17 - 1-14 Antrim

5. N.U.I.G. v Wexford (18.1.2014, Gorey, 2.00)
6. U.C.D. v Dublin (18.1.2014, Parnell Park, 7.00)
7. D.I.T. v Kilkenny (19.1.2014, Freshford, 2.00)
8. Offaly v Galway (19.1.2014, Tullamore, 2.00)

9. 5 v 6 (26.1.2014, Home Venue 5)
10. 7 v 8 (26.1.2014, Home Venue 7)
Final 9 v 10 (2.2.2014, Home Venue 9)

Bord na Mona Walsh Shield S.H. 2014
(a) Laois v Carlow (17.1.2014, Heywood, 7.30)
(b) Westmeath v Antrim (19.1.2014, Mullingar, 2.00)
Final (a) v (b) (26.1.2014, TBC)

RoyalCelt

Semi finals this sunday at 2pm are Kildare v UCD and Meath v DCU. Lots of Meath lads with UCD and a lot of louth lads with DCU!

I hope it's either Meath v Kildare final or a UCD v DCU final. The later would be a blood bath!!

blowitupref

Eye catching result in the McKenna cup tonight. Tyrone 5-16 Armagh 0-7. Tyrone are good enough to win the div 1 title this year however if Armagh don't improve they could be a div 3 team by 2015.

Tom Joad

blowitupref wrote: »

Eye catching result in the McKenna cup tonight. Tyrone 5-16 Armagh 0-7. Tyrone are good enough to win the div 1 title this year however if Armagh don't improve they could be a div 3 team by 2015.

Massive score to be putting up in January. Monaghan also put up an impressive 2-20 against Fermanagh.

Tyrone v Derry and Cavan v Monaghan in semis - should be two decent matches.

TouchingVirus

Tom Joad wrote: »

Massive score to be putting up in January.

Really? Most teams are only back training about 3 weeks

Tom Joad

TouchingVirus wrote: »

Really? Most teams are only back training about 3 weeks

ProudDUB

TouchingVirus wrote: »

Really? Most teams are only back training about 3 weeks

I doubt that. The counties whose seasons ended in September probably only went back training in December. Team holidays and the mandatory beak for Christmas would have further impacted their training. But the other 28-30 counties who ended their season in June, July or August could have gone back training months ago.

Always_Running

Collective training

November 15 (teams knocked out in June) - New York, Carlow, Offaly, Antrim, Westmeath, Limerick, Tipperary, Wicklow, Sligo (football); Westmeath, London, Antrim, Carlow, Offaly (hurling).

December 1 (teams knocked out in July) - Down, Armagh, Fermanagh, Waterford, Clare, Roscommon, Longford, Leitrim, Louth, Wexford, Kildare, Derry, London, Galway, Laois, Meath (football); Tipperary, Kilkenny, Galway, Waterford, Laois, Wexford (hurling).

December 8 (teams knocked out in August and Kerry) - Monaghan, Cork, Cavan, Donegal, Tyrone,Kerry (football); Dublin, Limerick (hurling).

December 29: Mayo, Dublin (football); Clare, Cork (hurling).

Of course most counties would have been in the gym well before November.

TouchingVirus

I stand corrected, it never occurred to me that Dublin would have been different since they finished later in the season and that's what I based my comment on. It was meant to highlight that big scorelines aren't that astonishing in January, it's still pre-season after all. It would be better to wait and see what comes in the league or early championship before I'd agree with "some scoreline..." type comments.

Tom Joad

TouchingVirus wrote: »

It was meant to highlight that big scorelines aren't that astonishing in January, it's still pre-season after all. It would be better to wait and see what comes in the league or early championship before I'd agree with "some scoreline..." type comments.

My response was because I wasn't sure what point you were making. While I agree that it's only pre-season, that's a pretty remarkable score to be putting up in January by any team but ever more so when you consider it is Tyrone putting it up against Armagh - the sworn enemy. It's very early days in the season but that could have big reprecussions for Armagh's season and Grimley's future - was following the match last night on the internet and it seems that Grimley's tactics were again incredibly niave - something he was heavily criticised about last year in the wake of the game vs Cavan. With Geezer lurking in the background and lots of politics at play in Armagh football this result could have big ramifications despite only being January.

Similarly the Monaghan result v Fermanagh highlights the problems in Fermanagh gaa circles and Fermanagh are a county who are at their lowest point in a long time. Again its only January but Fermanagh are in for another miserable year - last week while Cavan under 21s were playing Mayo in a pre-season tournament, Fermanagh were still trying to pick an under 21 manager for this season - a snapshot of what's happening in Fermanagh GAA circles.

I know Ulster football dosen't get a huge amount of discussion here like some of the other counties (that's not a dig btw - it's just a simple fact that there are not a lot of Ulster posters here - maybe with the exception of Cavan and Donegal) but last nights results in both those games could have big reprecussions and imo signal the shape of the seasons Armagh and Fermanagh and to a lesser extent Tyrone's (again it's early days but they are absolutely flying at the minute with a lot of new blood too).

TouchingVirus

Cheers for that post and the details, it lends a whole lot more credence to your comment that it really was something that could shape the football in Ulster this year. Egg on face, my knowledge of Ulster football let me down on this occasion

iDave

Don't like reading too much into January results but we have nothing else to go on until the league. Given the derby nature of Armagh/Tyrone you would think a better effort would be made. I wouldn't like Meath bending over like that to Dublin at any time of the year.
Armagh are in danger of being relegation fodder in Div 2 if they don't turn it around.

Tom Joad

iDave wrote: »

Don't like reading too much into January results but we have nothing else to go on until the league. Given the derby nature of Armagh/Tyrone you would think a better effort would be made. I wouldn't like Meath bending over like that to Dublin at any time of the year.
Armagh are in danger of being relegation fodder in Div 2 if they don't turn it around.

The Meath/ Dublin one is a good analogy - thrown the Crossmaglen/county politics into the mix (i'm not going to pretend I understand that stuff!!), the fact that Grimley has been heavily criticised about his tactis before and Geezer is lurking in the background and you have a right mess on your hands. If they don't sort things out soon it's going to be a bleak year for Armagh football - all you need now is for Jamie Clarke to go travelling again and Armagh would be dead certs for relegation imo.

Jayop

Unreal result for Tyrone last night. It looks more like a bad reflection on Armagh though in the cold light of day.

Good campaign for Tyrone in the McKenna as per usual. Harte takes it seriously, perhaps too seriously at times but it's always nice to start the year winning and gaining confidence going into the league. A few new faces playing really well too and slotting right in by all accounts. I've not got to a game yet this year with living away but from what I hear the defensive system has changed to a man against man system so it could account for us having bit point tallys if we have a free man up front for a change.

blowitupref

Tom Joad wrote: »

Similarly the Monaghan result v Fermanagh highlights the problems in Fermanagh gaa circles and Fermanagh are a county who are at their lowest point in a long time. Again its only January but Fermanagh are in for another miserable year - last week while Cavan under 21s were playing Mayo in a pre-season tournament, Fermanagh were still trying to pick an under 21 manager for this season - a snapshot of what's happening in Fermanagh GAA circles.

I thought Fermanagh were decent in the league last year and were somewhat unlucky not to gain promotion, the fact they didn't probably affected their mindset for the championship. They have smaller pick than most of their neighbours in Ulster they really need their strongest 15 out.

I'm surprised Pete McGrath has returned to senior inter county management, he was a top manager but the game has changed a lot from the mid 90s.

Syferus

Tom Joad wrote: »

Similarly the Monaghan result v Fermanagh highlights the problems in Fermanagh gaa circles and Fermanagh are a county who are at their lowest point in a long time. Again its only January but Fermanagh are in for another miserable year - last week while Cavan under 21s were playing Mayo in a pre-season tournament, Fermanagh were still trying to pick an under 21 manager for this season - a snapshot of what's happening in Fermanagh GAA circles.

You've a very short memory Tom!

Fermanagh were the first team to lose to London since 1977 in 2011. No amount of pre-season defeats erases that ignominy.

Tom Joad

blowitupref wrote: »

I thought Fermanagh were decent in the league last year and were somewhat unlucky not to gain promotion, the fact they didn't probably affected their mindset for the championship. They have smaller pick than most of their neighbours in Ulster they really need their strongest 15 out.

I'm surprised Pete McGrath has returned to senior inter county management, he was a top manager but the game has changed a lot from the mid 90s.

There has been big issues in Fermanagh gaa for a while now and it stems from a couple of things.

Discipline is a big problem in the camp and certain players are being picked that seem to have carte blanche to do what they want.

There is zero development going on at underage level - I read a stat that at minor and under 21 level they have won 3 out of their last 23 games - that's shockingly bad. They still haven't appointed an under 21 manager for this year. There is basically no plan in place.

You are right that they have a small pick and not all players have made themselves available from what I understand - doesn't help one bit.

Re Pete McGrath - while he looks a very good appointment and a good coup especially after having Peter Canavan last year - it was a chaotic appointment by all accounts - they asked him on the Wednesday night about taking over and he was announced the following night without all the county board knowing he was going to be appointed

It's sad to see tbh as a lot of people thought Fermanagh would kick on after their fantastic runs through the back door but that's a long way off and unfortunately they are destined to be bottom of the pile in Ulster unless things change..

Tom Joad

Syferus wrote: »

You've a very short memory Tom!

Fermanagh were the first team to lose to London since 1977 in 2011. No amount of pre-season defeats erases that ignominy.

Very true but I was more referring to the mess behind the scenes and the lack of underage structures or any kind of plan. It makes Cavan and Roscommon's darkest days look like rainbows and picnics

iDave

Kildare v Meath in O'Byrne final

dastardly00

Updated results and fixtures for The Bord Na Mona Walsh Cup S.H. 2014 competition:

1. Laois 1-14 - 1-17 N.U.I.G.
2. Carlow 0-13 - 1-11 U.C.D.
3. Westmeath 4-12 - 3-17 D.I.T.
4. Offaly 0-17 - 1-14 Antrim

5. Wexford 4-21 - 0-08 N.U.I.G
6. U.C.D. v Dublin (21.1.2014, Parnell Park, 7.00)
7. Kilkenny 5-23 - 1-09 D.I.T.
8. Offaly 1-13 - 1-14 Galway

9. Wexford v 6 (26.1.2014, Gorey)
10. Kilkenny v Galway (26.1.2014, Freshford)
Final 9 v 10 (2.2.2014, Home Venue 9)

Bord na Mona Walsh Shield S.H. 2014
(a) Laois 1-15 - 0-20 Carlow
(b) Westmeath 3-17 - 0-17 Antrim
Final Carlow v Westmeath (26.1.2014, TBC)

Lemlin

iDave wrote: »

Kildare v Meath in O'Byrne final

Cavan vs Tyrone in the McKenna Cup.