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Michael Schumacher Suffers Serious Head Injury

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ ZiabR


    RayM wrote: »
    I strongly, strongly doubt that Schumacher's fans are being denied good news.

    Would agree here. There is no reason to hold good news back from the public eye. You would have to be worried at this stage. We have had no real news about him for quite awhile.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,296 ✭✭✭ v3ttel


    RayM wrote: »
    His family obviously have infinitely more important things to think about, but his PR people should probably be more communicative with his fans. Even if that communication just involves a scheduled weekly update on his condition (whether changes have taken place or not), it would at least stop the media from inventing stuff.

    I really hope I'm wrong, but I can't help feeling that this is the most relevant part of that blog entry:


    I strongly, strongly doubt that Schumacher's fans are being denied good news.

    A lot of what I'm about to say may be as much me hoping that that is bollocks as much as anything else, but is there really a relevant part of that blog entry? Even just looking at the structure of what he is saying:
    "IF <this> and <this> AND <that>, it is possible that <whatever>"

    I don't see what benefit speculation like this has. He may well be accurate, but it is all complete speculation. It doesn't benefit anyone in any way. I don't see how this helpful to Michael, his family or the fans. I highly doubt scheduled updates would cut out speculation, as is the nature of the media. There would be speculation no matter what.

    It would be nice if everyone would leave them alone as they've been asked to. The family deserve privacy. The doctors deserve to be left alone to treat him to the very best of their ability. Hoping for the best but preparing for the worst.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭ greedygoblin


    I still wonder if that time lost by transferring Schumi to Moutiers instead of directly to Grenoble would have made any difference. No point for "ifs" and "buts" at this stage I suppose.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭ Myrddin


    It’s pretty clear that Michael’s fans are beginning to feel like their devotion, commitment, and passion for someone they’ve elevated to hero status over many years means nothing.
    I’m not a journalist, and I’m not a PR/communications professional. But I totally fail to see how the current comms policy helps either Michael or his family.
    This is totally unfair to the people who made Michael the celebrity he is

    I'm sorry, but that is utter shite. Michael is where he is because of who he is & what he done himself, not because any anyone or anything. What sort of self entitled attitude that is borderline demanding updates, from a family who are undoubtedly rocked to their core, & utterly grief stricken...

    This is a husband, & a father lying in a coma, who the hell is anyone else to feel their needs come anywhere even close to the family? We're told what they want to tell us, when they want to tell us...it's as simple as that & end of story. Anyway, I'll read on, hopefully it lightens up in tone further on...


  • Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭ robinwing


    Others have awoken from comas after years of being in one and made slow but very significant recoveries over a year or so. Where there is life there is hope. The Schumacher family owe us nothing


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  • Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭ robinwing


    The Mail Online have just published this ( probably take it with a grain of salt ) I suspect there will be more and more wild and untrue rubbish published in the coming weeks



    Doctors treating stricken Formula One legend Michael Schumacher have reportedly abandoned their attempts to bring him out of his artificial coma following setbacks.
    German news magazine Focus - which enjoys a close relationship with the 45-year-old's inner circle - claims the slow waking-up process for the seven-time world champion was put on hold last week.
    Schumacher has lain in an artificially induced coma since December 29 in the University Hospital of Grenoble in France after seriously injuring his head during a low-speed ski accident the same day.


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-2566662/Fears-grow-Michael-Schumacher-doctors-abandon-attempts-end-coma.html#ixzz2uH20gdb0
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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭ jpb14


    robinwing wrote: »
    Others have awoken from comas after years of being in one and made slow but very significant recoveries over a year or so. Where there is life there is hope. The Schumacher family owe us nothing
    And others have died after never waking up.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/11/former-israeli-pm-ariel-sharon-dies
    At the end of the day its a private family matter and no one else is entitled to know whats happeneing,apart from the family themselves.If the family see fit to release a statement to the public then fine,and if they dont then thats fine too..


  • Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭ robinwing


    jpb14 wrote: »
    And others have died after never waking up.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/11/former-israeli-pm-ariel-sharon-dies
    At the end of the day its a private family matter and no one else is entitled to know whats happeneing,apart from the family themselves.If the family see fit to release a statement to the public then fine,and if they dont then thats fine too..

    Paddy147 ? is that you ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭ lolie


    His manager has dismissed reports that doctors have abandoned bringing him out of the coma.
    Sabine Kehm, the seven-time champion's manager, said the situation was "unchanged", after the German magazine Focus cited "insiders" claiming doctors at the Grenoble hospital where Schumacher is being treated had abandoned attempts to wake him up "due to complications".

    Ms Kehm said: "This phase can take a long time which, much to our regret, can lead to many misinterpretations."
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/michael-schumacher/10659764/Michael-Schumachers-manager-refutes-claims-doctors-end-attempts-to-bring-him-out-of-medically-induced-coma.html

    I agree with people here losing respect for Hartstein, i followed shuey an F1 for nearly 20 yrs and dont in any way feel obliged to hear frequent updates from his family about him


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭ SnowDrifts


    Gary must have gotten a bit of backlash from the comments to his last article...

    http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/02/25/you-guys-are-pretty-amazing/


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,831 Peanut Butter Jelly


    SnowDrifts wrote: »
    Gary must have gotten a bit of backlash from the comments to his last article...

    http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/02/25/you-guys-are-pretty-amazing/

    What Gary is really saying....

    101380-what-I-need-is-for-you-to-clim-G5Ui.gif


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭ lolie


    Bahrain are to name the first corner of the circuit after schumacher, jordan191 posted a link in the F1 2014 thread.

    In it his manager said
    "I am convinced Michael will love the idea and feel very honoured about having a BIC corner named after him."
    Maybe i'm reading to much into it but it seems like a very positive comment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,217 ✭✭✭✭ Ghost Train


    Would be nice if some sort of positive news before 1st race. But I guess it's a long season, will be bit of a shadow over things though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭ Myrddin


    If indeed he is breathing on his own, that would be a pretty big development.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭ SnowDrifts


    Myrddin wrote: »
    If indeed he is breathing on his own, that would be a pretty big development.

    True but hard to fully believe the article since there are no sources. Hopefully it is true. Gary Hartstein voicing doubt on twitter but I've given him less credit since some of his recent outbursts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭ robinwing


    Doctors treating Michael Schumacher are maintaining their efforts to bring the German out of his medically-induced coma, the F1 legend's management have confirmed.

    The 45-year-old seven-times World Champion has been in an artificial coma at Grenoble Hospital for over two months since suffering severe head injuries in a skiing accident in the French Alps on December 29.

    Schumacher's management confirmed on January 30 that doctors had begun the process of gradually lowering his sedation level in order to start the 'waking up' process, although stressed that they were aware the procedure could take "a long time".

    Following speculation in the German media that the former Ferrari and Mercedes driver had subsequently contracted pneumonia, the family issued a statement on February 13 assuring that Schumacher's condition remained unchanged and that "the family continues to strongly believe in Michael's recovery".

    The subsequent lack of an official update over the last three weeks was punctured by further speculation over Schumacher's condition, including reports that the hospital had suspended the waking up process.

    However, on Friday Schumacher's management stressed that nothing had changed since their previous update.

    "Michael is still in the wake up phase," Schumacher's management said.

    "The situation has not changed. Any medical information published which is not confirmed by the team of doctors treating Michael or his management has to be considered as not valid."

    The official updates on Michael Schumacher's condition

    March 7
    'Michael is still in the wake up phase. The situation has not changed. Any medical information published which is not confirmed by the team of doctors treating Michael or his management has to be considered as not valid.'

    February 13
    'Michael's family would like to again express their sincere thanks for the continuous sympathy coming from all over the world. The good wishes they receive help the family and, we are convinced they also help Michael, who still is in a waking up process.

    'As often in such situation, no day is like the next. The family is thankful for one's understanding that they would not wish to disclose medical details in order to protect Michael's privacy. As assured from the beginning we will continue to communicate any decisive new information on Michael's health state. We are aware that the wake up phase can take a long time.

    'The family continues to strongly believe in Michael's recovery and place all their trust in the doctors, nurses and nursing auxiliaries team. The important thing is not the speed of the recovery but that Michael's healing process progresses in a continuous and controlled way.'

    Source is Sky Sports website . apparantly the statement today was released about an hour ago


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭ Myrddin


    SnowDrifts wrote: »
    True but hard to fully believe the article since there are no sources. Hopefully it is true. Gary Hartstein voicing doubt on twitter but I've given him less credit since some of his recent outbursts.

    Yeah the no source thing is off putting, but apparently the journalist is fairly reputable? What is Hartstein saying?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭ SnowDrifts


    Myrddin wrote: »
    Yeah the no source thing is off putting, but apparently the journalist is fairly reputable? What is Hartstein saying?

    Gary Hartstein ‏@former_f1doc

    "I've seen a Gazzetta article whose headline was that Michael is breathing unassisted. A google translate showed NO MENTION of this in the article itself, but I think full text is subs only. Therefore, I think this is must be taken with an enormous grain of salt.

    All the more that this would certainly be the kind of thing that I'm sure Michael's family wouldn't hesitate to let us know officially.

    And just to be clear, saillant is a retired orthopedist with no knowledge of neurosurgery, severe trauma, or intensive care. He is most certainly NOT "directing Michael's care".

    Inconsistencies in the article. Twitches of any part of the body, unless purposeful & reproducible mean essentially nothing.

    Playing voices, sounds, speaking to Michael is always a good idea. Again, I'd assume we'd have heard this from Sabine, not unsourced fr Pino"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭ Myrddin


    In this case, I think Hartstein is correct, for now anyway...we'll just have to wait & see.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭ Myrddin


    So Sabine has more or less denied the news article:
    The situation has not changed. Any medical information published which is not confirmed by the team of doctors treating Michael or his management has to be considered as not valid.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/michael-schumacher-sabine-kehm-confirms-schumacher-is-still-in-the-wake-up-phase-and-dismisses-any-other-medical-reports-as-false-9175921.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭ RayM


    The Telegraph is reporting that 'only a miracle will save him'.
    Sources close to his family say the 45-year-old driver's wife Corinna and his brother, Ralf Schumacher, have been consulting brain specialists throughout Europe and have been told that his chances of recovery are minimal.
    At the management team's request, the Grenoble hospital treating Schumacher has kept news about his condition to a minimum. However sources close to his family say that the driver's prognosis is bleak. "The family has been told that only a miracle can bring him back now," a senior German journalist reporting on the Schumacher case said. " He is in a bad way but until the family issues a formal statement, we cannot publish anything," he added.

    This might explain why updates have been so vague and so rare. Barring a miracle, his family probably won't be ready to release any meaningful update on his condition until they've given up hope.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭ Killinator


    'sources close to the family' = not reliable


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,831 Peanut Butter Jelly


    Right, can we all agree on this once and for all, if it say's "sources" or "a source", we ignore it. Okay? Can we make an agreement now?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭ RayM


    Right, can we all agree on this once and for all, if it say's "sources" or "a source", we ignore it. Okay? Can we make an agreement now?

    I hope the article I posted is completely wrong, but (a) the Telegraph is a lot more cautious than the tabloids, and (b) on the night of Sunday 29th December, 'sources' claimed that Schumacher's injuries were far more serious than originally reported. 'Sources' aren't always wrong.

    Meanwhile, Gary Hartstein has dismissed the idea that a doctor would ever use the term 'miracle' when discussing a prognosis.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,094 ✭✭✭✭ Buttonftw


    RayM wrote: »
    'only a miracle will save him'

    Like I said a good while ago now, that's what I've resigned myself to. Got an annoying pep there at the idea of him breathing on his own.
    Hate this all being dragged out. Without being too morbid (I hope), every driver better ****in drive the wheels off the car this year and remember what Schumi made possible. There's the surface stuff and the complaints about him dominating, but F1 wouldn't be where it is now without him. Damn it I really want him to do a grid walk. For it to end in a bloody skiing accident of all things like.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 822 zetalambda


    I haven't been following this thread but I think it's pretty safe to say that Schumacher is no more. He's been in an induced coma for the last 70 days and from reading between the lines, it looks like they've tried to take him out of that coma but he was unresponsive. :o


  • Registered Users Posts: 43,526 ✭✭✭✭ 6


    It's refreshing to see privacy being maintained tbh.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭ greedygoblin




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  • Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭ robinwing


    Forza Schumacher !! Yes !!


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