Full dole recipients to get €10.15 an hour - seen as slave labour

Value Hunter

Surprised I haven't seen any other threads on this

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dole-recipients-to-get-extra-20-a-week-for-20-hours-of-council-work-29863105.html

€10.15 an hour! - I know plenty who would take that with both hands!

Really sums up peoples attitudes when its seen as slave labour - as per the comments under the article

Even for under 25s - €123 a week for 20 hours work, I don't think €6.15 an hour is exactly slave labour.

Minimum wage in america is $8 which is roughly €5.85

Not to mention all the other benefits given when on social welfare - i.e rent allowance - getting your rent payed even though you don't work

I'm all for helping those in need, but paying for EVERYTHING someone needs, and allowing them not to work for it



Well whats the point in working???

dmc17

Value Hunter wrote: »

Well whats the point in working???

Working is good for the mind

KERSPLAT!

Value Hunter wrote: »

Surprised I haven't seen any other threads on this

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dole-recipients-to-get-extra-20-a-week-for-20-hours-of-council-work-29863105.html

€10.15 an hour! - I know plenty who would take that with both hands!

Really sums up peoples attitudes when its seen as slave labour - as per the comments under the article

Even for under 25s - €123 a week for 20 hours work, I don't think €6.15 an hour is exactly slave labour.

Minimum wage in america is $8 which is roughly €5.85

Not to mention all the other benefits given when on social welfare - i.e rent allowance - getting your rent payed even though you don't work

I'm all for helping those in need, but paying for EVERYTHING someone needs, and allowing them not to work for it



Well whats the point in working???

Ah yeah, people on the dole are living the life!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Princess Petulia Pissy Pants wrote: »

Ah yeah, people on the dole are living the life!

we are actually, it's pretty ridiculous.

Gringo180

Why do people lucky enough to have a job always take it out on the most vulnerable in society, the government really do love a divided nation, sure take it out on the people who are on the dole instead of the fat cats who have the country in the mess its in. Some people just sicken me.

PirateShampoo

And who's job will I be taking?

And yeah using America has a example of a good system isn't very bright. It's a country where people on the bottom can work 2 or 3 different jobs and still be under the poverty line.

Mint Aero

Opens link...

..."unemployed workers"....

Closes link.

KERSPLAT!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

we are actually, it's pretty ridiculous.

Lucky you, most people I know on SW are scraping by

Kenjataimu

Princess Petulia Pissy Pants wrote: »

Lucky you, most people I know on SW are scraping by

Most people I know working low paid jobs are scraping by.

Sin City

Feel free to quit your job and live it up on the dole
I'm sure most of the dolers would happily trade situations with you

Value Hunter

Minmimun wage worker - 40 hours a week = €346

Welfare recipient - €183 + rent allowance = ?? est €150/€200 per week? (I have no source at hand)

Guy who works 40 hours - €346

guy who works 0 hours = €333/€383


Fair?

Frosty McSnowballs

Princess Petulia Pissy Pants wrote: »

Lucky you, most people I know on SW are scraping by

Most people I know who are working full time are also scraping by.

20Cent

I'm no Steven Hawkins but isn't 20 euro for 20 hours work actually 1 euro per hour?

Value Hunter

Value Hunter wrote: »

Welfare recipient - €183 + rent allowance = ?? est €150/€200 per week? (I have no source at hand)

Sure just make one up.

20Cent

20Cent wrote: »

I'm no Steven Hawkins but isn't 20 euro for 20 hours work actually 1 euro per hour?

That's what I would have though.

KERSPLAT!

Senor Jingle Balls wrote: »

Most people I know who are working full time are also scraping by.

What's your point? I didn't say they weren't

Frosty McSnowballs

Princess Petulia Pissy Pants wrote: »

What's your point? I didn't say they weren't

That is my point.

KERSPLAT!

Senor Jingle Balls wrote: »

That is my point.

And a point well made at that

super_furry

Value Hunter wrote: »

Minimum wage in america is $8 which is roughly €5.85

Which has absolutely no significance here whatsoever.

Value Hunter

PirateShampoo wrote: »

And who's job will I be taking?

And yeah using America has a example of a good system isn't very bright. It's a country where people on the bottom can work 2 or 3 different jobs and still be under the poverty line.

As opposed to Ireland where you can sit on your ass and be better of than people who work

Frosty McSnowballs

Princess Petulia Pissy Pants wrote: »

And a point well made at that

Why thank you Pissy Pants.

Happy Christmas

Red Silurian

10.15 per hour is all well and good and very good money in today's world for a 39hr working week it would work out at 395.85 a week... Certainly beats 188 euro

Edit: Just realised it was 19.5hrs not 39... Never mind

dave1982

Value Hunter wrote: »

Surprised I haven't seen any other threads on this

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dole-recipients-to-get-extra-20-a-week-for-20-hours-of-council-work-29863105.html

€10.15 an hour! - I know plenty who would take that with both hands!

Really sums up peoples attitudes when its seen as slave labour - as per the comments under the article

Even for under 25s - €123 a week for 20 hours work, I don't think €6.15 an hour is exactly slave labour.

Minimum wage in america is $8 which is roughly €5.85

Not to mention all the other benefits given when on social welfare - i.e rent allowance - getting your rent payed even though you don't work

I'm all for helping those in need, but paying for EVERYTHING someone needs, and allowing them not to work for it



Well whats the point in working???

Seriously its Christmas eve, is that whats bothering you?

Annasopra

20Cent wrote: »

I'm no Steven Hawkins but isn't 20 euro for 20 hours work actually 1 euro per hour?

They get paid 208 Euro per week for 19.5 hours

KERSPLAT!

Senor Jingle Balls wrote: »

Why thank you Pissy Pants.

Happy Christmas

Same to you and a happy New Year

0ph0rce0

After them saying the council will loose an odd €2bn when the new water company comes in, they obviously need staff that can work for a euro an hour as they wont be able to pay the wages anymore.

Gringo180

Value Hunter wrote: »

As opposed to Ireland where you can sit on your ass and be better of than people who work

What are you talking about? There is no single person on the dole better off than a single person that works, that is just a ridiculous thing to say.

Annasopra

colmtheperson wrote: »

10.15 per hour is all well and good and very good money in today's world for a 39hr working week it would work out at 395.85 a week... Certainly beats 188 euro

They work 19.5 hours not 39.

WildCardDoW

On one hand I agree with a scheme like this, but not if it gets in the way of furthering the recipients chances of up-skilling themselves, searching for a job (I worked on a project with my college after I was out of work for a time and it definitely impacted on my job search, I stopped helping and two weeks later started getting interviews again!) and I also disagree with how it's implemented, I like the idea but the execution is probably going to be poor, as it is/was for Job Bridge.

I think the government / councils could offer positions such as these when they are available to people on SW who are interested in doing manual work (or have experience in it) but they shouldn't be paid less than another person who is doing the job, it should be treated as a "graduate" role / trainee / apprenticeship.

They could certainly offer a more reasonable level of pay for the work, as I don't think the government should be essentially paying less than traditional minimum wage which this essentially is.

How does this scheme impact the jobs that are there, are some being converted into this position or is it a case of extra roles being created?

Workers who refuse to engage in the initiative face the prospect of social welfare payments being reduced, or having payments suspended.

It should definitely be a voluntary scheme, or for those who have turned down all other approaches or who aren't actively seeking a job (of course the implementation of this is probably impossible / cost prohibitive).

Bah, it's a bad idea and will just drive more people out of the country, which is a shame as I'm sure there are some positions being offered that have a useful skill set that could lead to jobs.

SV

mango salsa wrote: »

They get paid 208 Euro per week for 19.5 hours

they are already entitled to the majority of that though without doing a tap.
So offering an extra 20 for 20 hours work is indeed 1 euro an hour.

KERSPLAT!

Gringo180 wrote: »

What are you talking about? There is no single erson on the dole better off than a single person that works, that is just a ridiculous thing to say.

I wouldn't say that. I know some who are better off on the dole than a minimum wage job or even €10 an hour

Mickeroo

I think how well you can live off the dole is pretty dependent on where you live. In some places you could easily feed yourself, pay rent and save a bit on top of it but if you live in one of the cities you'd most likely be screwed.

Gee_G

Ah yeah, nothing like a nice festive dole thread!!

20Cent

mango salsa wrote: »

They get paid 208 Euro per week for 19.5 hours

Not really they get 188 anyway, so the work is 1 euro per hour.

Gringo180

Princess Petulia Pissy Pants wrote: »

I wouldn't say that. I know some who are better off on the dole than a minimum wage job or even €10 an hour

That's impossible unless the person who is working is receiving less or the same as an unemployed person.

degrassinoel

Value Hunter wrote: »

As opposed to Ireland where you can sit on your ass and be better of than people who work

wow, nice attitude to the unemployed there. Happy Christmas to you too!

You don't honestly think that every unemployed person in the country gets 384 quid do you? Not everyone is entitled to supplementary rent allowance, and it is supplementary. You also don't get your food and clothes paid for, nor your bills paid either.

at this time of year it's incredibly hard to get by on 180 quid a week. I'm on disability and get slightly less than the social welfare, do yourself a favour and lighten up, if it bugs you so much that people who are unfortunate enough to be unemployed get help in the form of a supplementary rent allowance, bring it to your TD and see if he/she will do anything for ye, be thankful for what you have.

If people could see past anything they dislike about someone having the nerve to be unemployed and focus on the employment that should be created from such projects that isn't being created we might actually get somewhere.

KERSPLAT!

Gringo180 wrote: »

That's impossible unless the person who is working is receiving less or the same as an unemployed person.

Impossible? It depends on the persons situation. Paying for a creche or child minder for example

Red Crow

Boards.ie is full of people on the dole so don't expect any criticism of the welfare ones to go down well here.

"scraping by", "happy to trade positions"... Makes me laugh. A lot of the people who are still unemployed are unemployable because of their ridiculous demands and their snobbery won't allow them to do certain types of work. Just because they got €500 quid a week laying bricks or plastering means that they won't demean themselves to do lessor paid work.

There is a portion of Ireland that are allergic to work. I know there are some genuine people who are suffering but the majority of people I know on the dole aren't bothered handing out CVs and the usual retort is "Ah sure there are no jobs out there".

Pure laziness.

Gringo180

Princess Petulia Pissy Pants wrote: »

Impossible? It depends on the persons situation. Paying for a creche or child minder for example

Well that's a decision they made in life to have kids, its not the single persons fault on the dole that people in low paid jobs are struggling to provide for there kids Why don't they take there anger out on the government instead of the poorest in society??

P.Walnuts

The title of this thread is completely misleading, you don't write headlines for the Daily Mail by any chance OP?

Dole is €188

Extra 20 hours work = €208

Work = €1 per hour

Jester252

SV wrote: »

they are already entitled to the majority of that though without doing a tap.
So offering an extra 20 for 20 hours work is indeed 1 euro an hour.

This is the perfect example of a certian attitude with some people on the dole. Why earn money, when I can get most of it handed to me?

Bertser

Does anyone know the unions that Phil Hogan is talking about?

KERSPLAT!

Red Crow wrote: »

Boards.ie is full of people on the dole so don't expect any criticism of the welfare ones to go down well here.

"scraping by", "happy to trade positions"... Makes me laugh. A lot of the people who are still unemployed are unemployable because of their ridiculous demands and their snobbery won't allow them to do certain types of work. Just because they got €500 quid a week laying bricks or plastering means that they won't demean themselves to do lessor paid work.

There is a portion of Ireland that are allergic to work. I know there are some genuine people who are suffering but the majority of people I know on the dole aren't bothered handing out CVs and the usual retort is "Ah sure there are no jobs out there".

Pure laziness.

I used the term scraping by, I was one of the unemployed about 18 months ago. I'm now a part time student and a part time caretaker (pretty much a cleaner) on minimum wage. We aren't all lazy ****s that sit around all day laughing at the employed, cashing our cheques and pissing it against the wall like most people on here seem to think. I'm far from lazy.

Value Hunter

A lot of the problems with Ireland have been brought up here

Example 1 - Hard working employee works 40 hours a week on minimum wage - gets no rent allowance and has to pay for child care

Example 2 - Dole receiver works zero hours, gets rent payed and food/bill money, majority of child costs are covered by the state

There is only one of group in the examples that can survive in that situation and we all know which one it is

yoloc

Value Hunter wrote: »

Minmimun wage worker - 40 hours a week = €346

Welfare recipient - €183 + rent allowance = ?? est €150/€200 per week? (I have no source at hand)

Guy who works 40 hours - €346

guy who works 0 hours = €333/€383


Fair?

You say rent allowence as if they get that money to spend. When someone is unemployed and cant afford housing, its up to the government to provide housing. You peoplw actuly sickwn me, your the scummy type thia captialism has created with tge attitude of, dont work = **** you. There isnt enough jobs for all of us and tbh, i honestly couldnt give 2 fcuks at what somone recieves on benifits. It doesnt effect me in anyway so why should i be a jealous bastard. Ive a life to live ffs. If and when you ****ing idiots get your wish and benefits are scrapped, wait and see how society turns out then . You are one of the reasons why society is ****ed with your bull**** mindset. O, and happy crimbo!!

0ph0rce0

Jester252 wrote: »

This is the perfect example of a certian attitude with some people on the dole. Why earn money, when I can get most of it handed to me?

Because you work your balls off paying these ***** tax so that in the situation when or if i loose my job you get the assistance you paid for.

systemicrisk

Gringo180 wrote: »

Why do people lucky enough to have a job always take it out on the most vulnerable in society, the government really do love a divided nation, sure take it out on the people who are on the dole instead of the fat cats who have the country in the mess its in. Some people just sicken me.

Thats not really the point though. I understand there is something a bit wrong about taking away peoples choice and forcing them to do a particular job for their dole but perhaps if there was a range of jobs that they could choose from ranging from administrative to manual labour. The rate of pay certainly is not slave labour at 10.15 an hour. I would not accept under 25s bein paid less though. At 20 hours per week there would still be plenty of time to search for work as well. Definately would need a good level of choice and proper employment rights.

Gringo180

Value Hunter wrote: »

A lot of the problems with Ireland have been brought up here

Example 1 - Hard working employee works 40 hours a week on minimum wage - gets no rent allowance and has to pay for child care

Example 2 - Dole receiver works zero hours, gets rent payed and food/bill money, majority of child costs are covered by the state

There is only one of group in the examples that can survive in that situation and we all know which one it is

Why not attack the system instead of the people??

COYW

Mickeroo wrote: »

I think how well you can live off the dole is pretty dependent on where you live. In some places you could easily feed yourself, pay rent and save a bit on top of it but if you live in one of the cities you'd most likely be screwed.

Absolutely true. I was over with friends last night and their nephew was telling me that he lived very comfortably on the dole for 10 months. He was living at home with his parents, so his food, rent, heating etc was all covered. The dole money was pocket money for him. He turned into a right lazy git though, his words not mine and is far better off, not financially I might add, working in his minimum wage job now.

Value Hunter

P.Walnuts wrote: »

The title of this thread is completely misleading, you don't write headlines for the Daily Mail by any chance OP?

Dole is €188

Extra 20 hours work = €208

Work = €1 per hour

That thought process just proves my point. How someone can think working 20 hours a week for a minimum of €208 works out at €1 an hour is beyond me