400 jobs lost at Lufthansa plant in Rathcoole

Bullseye1

Very bad news for the workers and families involved. Hopefully they can come together and form their own company.

http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/21496431/?view=Standard

SEPT 23 1989

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Very bad news for the workers and families involved. Hopefully they can come together and form their own company.

http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/21496431/?view=Standard

with no union involvement

chopper6

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

with no union involvement

What have unions got to do with companies letting people go?

Larbre34

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

with no union involvement

I'd be pleased to reflect on this view with you in about 20 years, when the disposablilty of people in this country has become absolute. Be careful what you wish for.

Sympathies with the families of the people who wont find it easy to get alternative work.

homerjay2005

chopper6 wrote: »

What have unions got to do with companies letting people go?

the unions drove the company into the ground with unreasonable demands and work practices.

Unions have cost these people their jobs along with 1000's of others in this country.,

SnakePlissken

homerjay2005 wrote: »

the unions drove the company into the ground with unreasonable demands and work practices.

Unions have cost these people their jobs along with 1000's of others in this country.,

G'wan da f**k

Larbre34

homerjay2005 wrote: »

the unions drove the company into the ground with unreasonable demands and work practices.

Unions have cost these people their jobs along with 1000's of others in this country.,

They really genuinely have not. Do you think this Country's perception as an open, adaptable, dynamic place for enterprise in Europe and among the top few in the World would be such if Unions had a stranglehold on industry as you imagine? Thats what you had in 1970s Britain. Look at this weeks Marks and Spencer's example, some Unions at the very least protect more vulnerable service staff from being gouged. Do not be fooled by the agenda of big corporates who are quite happy to take hatchet decisions for purely financial reasons and spread the blame around to include Union intransigence.

camel jockey

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'd be pleased to reflect on this view with you in about 20 years, when the disposablilty of people in this country has become absolute. Be careful what you wish for.

I work in an industry without any union presence. There are hundreds of thousands of 'workers' in Ireland without union representation.

Unions protect the interests of their own members to the detriment of everyone else, even other unions.

Claims that unions are the last bastion of protection for worker rights are misleading at best.

RoboRat

This was never about unions. it was about Lufthansa protecting their operation in Germany at the expense of the better operation in Dublin.

Bad decision for Lufthansa but if another company was to come in and take that staff, with the right reshaping, they could have a very lucrative operation.

pajor

I'd say Liebherr will be next.

camel jockey

Peoples memories are pretty short...think ESB...

Clandestine

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'd be pleased to reflect on this view with you in about 20 years, when the disposablilty of people in this country has become absolute.

Unions and employees have too much power in my opinion.

Work contracts are biased in the favour of employees and "disposibility" as you say will never happen. If a company wants to let an employee go they should be able to without jumping 20 hurdles and cutting through so much red tape.

Calhoun

pajor wrote: »

I'd say Liebherr will be next.

I hope so, might wake a few up about union involvement, some folk might have forgotten the union involvement at last big lay off and the many complaining about them. The writing was on the wall then it was only a matter of time that this happened.

Hopefully the workers will get future employment but be wary who they throw there lot in with.

kildarecommuter

Clandestine wrote: »

Unions and employees have too much power in my opinion.

Work contracts are biased in the favour of employees and "disposibility" as you say will never happen. If a company wants to let an employee go they should be able to without jumping 20 hurdles and cutting through so much red tape.

Your opinion is wrong !

kildarecommuter

Company protected the mother ship in Germany simple as

Walt Jabsco

The unions have f*ck all to with this decision. The managment in Germany wanted to mess up the employees pensions and change work practices. The majority of workforce there have about 20/30 years service and are nearing retirement age. So instead of giving up their lucrative pensions, they decided to not play ball and let the company fold. Simple as. So please get your facts straight before you go mouthing off at the unions.

road_high

Was on the news there. Apparently a competitor was interested in buying the plant, which is interesting.
Hopefully this could still happen perhaps. Rubbish to see 400 good jobs like these go.

RustyNut

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'd be pleased to reflect on this view with you in about 20 years, when the disposablilty of people in this country has become absolute.

Sympathies with the families of the people who wont find it easy to get alternative work.

The use of agency workers has gone a long way to to achieve this all ready.

Eight Ball

Funny to read posters taking a pop at the unions even though this has nothing to do with unions.

lightspeed

Larbre34 wrote: »

They really genuinely have not. Do you think this Country's perception as an open, adaptable, dynamic place for enterprise in Europe and among the top few in the World would be such if Unions had a stranglehold on industry as you imagine? Thats what you had in 1970s Britain. Look at this weeks Marks and Spencer's example, some Unions at the very least protect more vulnerable service staff from being gouged. Do not be fooled by the agenda of big corporates who are quite happy to take hatchet decisions for purely financial reasons and spread the blame around to include Union intransigence.

Exactly, look at M&S. They are competing with some pretty big fish in the market as well as more and more people are buying online for less on ebay, amazon or whatever.

The M&S row may have resolved itself for now but come next year if the company is not profitable enough, you might see the workers given their P45 of reforms cant be introduced now. I dont think unions are always problematic but there seems to be a culture in Ireland where we live by the dunes stores motto of "The difference is im irish". It is as if some people think the recession and economic downturn can and should be ignored just for them and not adjustments should be made. Unsustainable.

Sir Arthur Daley

Walt Jabsco wrote: »

The unions have f*ck all to with this decision. The managment in Germany wanted to mess up the employees pensions and change work practices. The majority of workforce there have about 20/30 years service and are nearing retirement age. So instead of giving up their lucrative pensions, they decided to not play ball and let the company fold. Simple as. So please get your facts straight before you go mouthing off at the unions.

I doubt this is the reason either for the plant closing, good conspiracy theory though.