Carnivores and sourcing meat.....

martinedwards

a rant of mine.

If you are going to eat meat, then you should acknowledge that it comes from animals.

I know folks who wont eat Quail because they look like wee birds on your plate.

Really? that's because they are wee birds on your plate!!

I have a pal who won't eat lamb or rabbit because they're fluffy and cuddly (obviously never met a butcher's lamb in the flesh! evil buggers they are!) but is happy to eat pork and beef because they aren't so friendly. Have to disagree with her. Pigs are the friendliest of all the animals we eat.

PERSONALLY, I think that everyone who eats meat or fish should, at least once in their life, have to kill an animal or fish (or even some mussels or prawns) prepare and eat it.

I've hunted Pigeon & rabbit, I've fished and gathered mussels off the beach, I've killed ducks Turkeys and chickens on my parents farm, and I fully respect the fact that I am eating a once living creature.

and remember, while a dog is for life, a turkey is for Christmas, although the left overs might stretch to the new year!

unless you are Korean.......... then a Dog might be for Christmas too!

Cosmo K

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Captain Farrell

Have to say agree with the OP, all meat eaters should kill and prepare an animal at least once.

OldGoat

What you're saying is that because I eat meat all my meals should be unfriendly and ugly?

Links234

I know exactly where my meat comes from... Aldi!

Daqster

Meat comes from the butcher man who cuts it from protein trees that grow were happy animals skip and play. Stop your lying! :mad:

/Sticks fingers in ears! lalalalalalalalalalalalala

Dravokivich

martinedwards wrote: »

If you are going to eat meat, then you should acknowledge that it comes from animals.

I've no problem with this. I kind of assumed that was a default way of looking at them. Cows, Chickens, Pigs, Sheep, I'd have no problem with turning around to'em and thinking, "Can't wait to take a bite out of you!"

o1s1n

Captain Farrell wrote: »

Have to say agree with the OP, all meat eaters should kill and prepare an animal at least once.

Why? What would it achieve?

gramar

If you went out an killed a pig or cow or lamb or whatever animal of your choice you be brought up on animal cruelty charges.

It's easy to say it but you can't just walk out your door and start slaying animals willy nilly.

OldGoat

o1s1n wrote: »

Why? What would it achieve?

A badly butchered piece of meat probably.

martinedwards

yes, you can.

stick a worm on a hook and dangle it in some water.

all fish are good Catholics as the last thing they see is a priest

which is the name of the stick you bash them on the head with!!

ScumLord

It's often surprised me how clueless people that live in cities can be about food. They know that in general it comes from farms but other than that they don't care about details.

I think if people could see good farms up close they might be encouraged to spend more on animal welfare.

o1s1n

ScumLord wrote: »

It's often surprised me how clueless people that live in cities can be about food. They know that in general it comes from farms but other than that they don't care about details.

I think if people could see good farms up close they might be encouraged to spend more on animal welfare.

How is people contributing to animal welfare institutions going to improve life for animals on farms?

The only ones who can improve that are farmers themselves - nothing to do with us 'dumb city folk'.

danniemcq

Captain Farrell wrote: »

Have to say agree with the OP, all meat eaters should kill and prepare an animal at least once.

Done!

Shot plucked and cooked.

Or fished, gutted and cooked.

done both. Just need to find a cow/pig to do the same

ScumLord

o1s1n wrote: »

How is people contributing to animal welfare institutions going to improve life for animals on farms?

The only ones who can improve that are farmers themselves - nothing to do with us 'dumb city folk'.

Because it's city folk buying the majority of the products from farms. If they had some appreciation for the animals they're eating and might be encouraged to spend a little more for their meat.

5live

ScumLord wrote: »

It's often surprised me how clueless people that live in cities can be about food. They know that in general it comes from farms but other than that they don't care about details.

I think if people could see good farms up close they might be encouraged to spend more on animal welfare.

I doubt it. We spend some 15% of our income on food, an historic low i believe, and people go out of their way to save pennies on their shopping.

Granted some people havent a lot of money to spend on food but those that do, complain constantly about the price of food while not taking much notice of where the other 85% of their pay goes eg new car, foreign holidays, 5th flatscreen tv etc.

The only time most even notice animal welfare is when a scandal erupts like horsemeat substituted for beef. Only then will they be willing to spend on welfare and even then only till the scandal blows over.

ScumLord

5live wrote: »

I doubt it. We spend some 5% of our income on food, an historic low i believe, and people go out of their way to save pennies on their shopping.

I've noticed that the people on TV that complain about the price of food are fat and just want to get their oven cook chips and chicken flavoured nuggets cheaper. Buying all the fresh ingredients and making food yourself is much cheaper as I'm always being told by a friend who has to feed five children.

o1s1n

ScumLord wrote: »

Because it's city folk buying the majority of the products from farms. If they had some appreciation for the animals they're eating and might be encouraged to spend a little more for their meat.

So you think that if the price of food increased, the majority of farmers would put it into animal welfare rather than pocketing their profits?

Er, okay then. Bit naive, but I applaud your optimism.

chopper6

I think vegetarians should be forced to travel to areas in south america where soya bean farming has destroyed enormous areas of rainforest to satisfy thier unnatural cravings.

I have always been a hunter/fisherman since i was about 4 years of age...everybody should be able to kill,prepare and cook wild game without squeamishness...and a lot of the crap that passes for food nowadays is a disgrace...ie "chicken" nuggets.

Caliden

I've no problem doing it, what I do have a problem with is saying you have to kill the animal with your bare hands when that's not even done in reality.

In abattoirs they have stun guns and special equipment to kill the animal in the most humane way possible and I'd have no problem doing it that way.

5live

ScumLord wrote: »

I've noticed that the people on TV that complain about the price of food are fat and just want to get their oven cook chips and chicken flavoured nuggets cheaper. Buying all the fresh ingredients and making food yourself is much cheaper as I'm always being told by a friend who has to feed five children.

Only 4 here but it is massively cheaper to make your own, with the added bonus that there are no additives as the eldest lad was very prone to problems from some additives.

People complain they are time poor but we make and prepare a lot of our food with the kids helping so we have the time with them and they see how the food is prepared.

On the killing of animals, our kids feed the animals with us and are in no way ignorant of where the food comes from. We killed a heifer a while back that the second lad had fed for most of the last year and we went into the killing and preparation of the carcase with him. He already has an animal picked for next year:)

martinedwards

Caliden wrote: »

I've no problem doing it, what I do have a problem with is saying you have to kill the animal with your bare hands when that's not even done in reality.

NO-ONE said that!

especially not me!:p

Gongoozler

I agree. Still don't want to go near turkey jiblets though.

My problem recently with meat is the extortionate price for free range chicken. ****ing horrendous. People often insist on free range eggs but apparently not enough people care about free range chicken. And yes I do know eggs come from chickens.

It's about time the irish government made it easier for us to eat ethically.

OldRio

I'm killing a couple of geese tomorrow. Reared and fed on our small farm.
Has to be done or the Christmas table will look a little bare.

chopper6

Gongoozler wrote: »

I agree. Still don't want to go near turkey jiblets though.

My problem recently with meat is the extortionate price for free range chicken. ****ing horrendous. People often insist on free range eggs but apparently not enough people care about free range chicken. And yes I do know eggs come from chickens.

It's about time the irish government made it easier for us to eat ethically.

This has nothing to do with the Irish Government...it's the private sector overcharging as usual.

Having said that,the cost of rearing a free range chicken is far higher than a standard battery hen.

Will I Amnt

Should all the vegetarians spend a day digging and spreading stinking shìte everywhere?

I like meat, I know where it comes from. If I wanted to get covered in blood and germs I'd become a butcher. Someone else is paid to do that job that we don't want to do and the cost is passed on to us when we buy the meat.

ScumLord

o1s1n wrote: »

So you think that if the price of food increased, the majority of farmers would put it into animal welfare rather than pocketing their profits?

Er, okay then. Bit naive, but I applaud your optimism.

It's not so much a case of them putting that money back into animal welfare but stopping the market from forcing them to sideline welfare over cost. The market keeps demanding cheaper meat so farmers have to find ways of reducing their costs which usually means putting more animals into the same amount of space. The other thing overlooked is that all farm costs are going up, so farmers are getting squeezed from both sides. Shops want to pay less but the farmer has to pay more.

Charging more for meat would relax those constraints allowing more space for each animal and reducing the need for over industrialising farming.

It's not easy to industrialise farm processes and it's not desirable by most farmers I would say. I would think most farmers only get into industrialised processes because they're forced to by the market.

Gongoozler

chopper6 wrote: »

This has nothing to do with the Irish Government...it's the private sector overcharging as usual.

Having said that,the cost of rearing a free range chicken is far higher than a standard battery hen.

But the price of free range eggs isn't that much more than the price of non free range. Yeah it is the farmers but doesn't mean the government has no say.

chopper6

Gongoozler wrote: »

But the price of free range eggs isn't that much more than the price of non free range. Yeah it is the farmers but doesn't mean the government has no say.

Egg production is far less labour intensive than raising animals for food so there wouldnt be a huge difference in the price of eggs.

The farmers are charging thier price and the retailer is taking thier profit too...the Govt cant fix prices as it's not a communist country.

For what it's worth the likes of Tesco are screwing smaller farmers over big time...they pay a pittance for produce so the only way farmers can make a profit is by intensively rearing huge numbers of animals.

cantdecide

I think if more people had a better idea of where their meat comes from, more people would never waster another piece. It's not bread or chocolate, it was alive and walking around and it's life was taken for your nourishment and you shouldn't disregard this fact.

Seeing what good meat goes to waste at weddings, for example, sickens me.

mikhail

martinedwards wrote: »

a rant of mine.

If you are going to use indoor plumbing, then you should acknowledge that it sends ****e through pipes.

I know folks who wont sit on ****e-covered toilets because they look like they're covered in ****e.

Really? that's because they are covered in ****e!!

I have a pal who won't fix his house's plumbing because it's smelly and disgusting (obviously never worked in a sewage treatment plant! evil-smelling buggers they are!) but is happy to **** in a toilet because they aren't so smelly.

PERSONALLY, I think that everyone who uses indoor plumbing should, at least once in their life, have to unblock a pipe that's backed up with hardened ****e (or even some disposable nappies and a rat's nest).

I've dug a hole and **** in it, I've cleared drains and cleaned a toilet off with bleach, I've cleaned out duck-houses, Turkeys' pens and chicken coops on my parents farm, and I fully respect the fact that I am shovelling ****.

and remember, while a dog is for life, a turkey is for Christmas, although the left overs might block the u-bend!

cantdecide

mikhail wrote: »

martinedwards wrote: »

a rant of mine.

If you are going to use indoor plumbing, then you should acknowledge that it sends ****e through pipes.

I know folks who wont sit on ****e-covered toilets because they look like they're covered in ****e.

Really? that's because they are covered in ****e!!

I have a pal who won't fix his house's plumbing because it's smelly and disgusting (obviously never worked in a sewage treatment plant! evil-smelling buggers they are!) but is happy to **** in a toilet because they aren't so smelly.

PERSONALLY, I think that everyone who uses indoor plumbing should, at least once in their life, have to unblock a pipe that's backed up with hardened ****e (or even some disposable nappies and a rat's nest).

I've dug a hole and **** in it, I've cleared drains and cleaned a toilet off with bleach, I've cleaned out duck-houses, Turkeys' pens and chicken coops on my parents farm, and I fully respect the fact that I am shovelling ****.

and remember, while a dog is for life, a turkey is for Christmas, although the left overs might block the u-bend!

I didn't realise that poop was a living being that we captured, farmed and slaughtered for food.

El_Dangeroso

I agree with you OP, but vegetarians should also be made to chop some baby birds up with a combine and spray some pesticides on insects (for some reason care for animals doesn't extend to insects for some reason.).

I do think meat eaters need to be more responsible for where their meat comes from though. Meat nowadays is suspiciously cheap. A whole chicken should not cost 5 euro.

mikhail

Some people just aren't passionate enough about poop.

cantdecide

mikhail wrote: »

Some people just aren't passionate enough about poop.

3 rules of plumbing according to me Da.
-Poop won't flow uphill
-You can't fit a six inch poop down a four inch pipe
-Keep your fingers away from your mouth while you're working

Mint Aero

Yeah great idea OP :rolleyes: a bunch of townies trying to decapitate a chicken, skin a rabbit, slaughter a cow, gut a fish etc :rolleyes: I wouldn't trust half of them to cook their turkeys properly this year never mind kill an animal efficiently.

Gannicus

Captain Farrell wrote: »

Have to say agree with the OP, all meat eaters should kill and prepare an animal at least once.

o1s1n wrote: »

Why? What would it achieve?

Cheaper meat prices. Go out buy a turkey, raise it, hang by its feet, hug its wings then snap its neck.

Maximus Alexander

Everyone who uses a car should have to construct one from scratch, drill oil from the Earth, and refine it into petrol at least once in their lives.

kowloon

I got called some serious names once by a girl in a club when a friend of mine mentioned that I hunted. She would have no problem buying caged hen eggs or intensively farmed chicken, but mention that you shot a wild rabbit and all hell broke loose. I have far fewer issues with a vegetarian who disapproves of this than a giant hypocrite who sees meat as something that magically appears in a packet.

mikhail

kowloon wrote: »

I got called some serious names once by a girl in a club when a friend of mine mentioned that I hunted. She would have no problem buying caged hen eggs or intensively farmed chicken, but mention that you shot a wild rabbit and all hell broke loose. I have far fewer issues with a vegetarian who disapproves of this than a giant hypocrite who sees meat as something that magically appears in a packet.

Yeah, that's fair. I think people like that conflate all hunting, so the legitimate concerns over the cruelty involved in something like fox hunting.

o1s1n

Big Steve wrote: »

Cheaper meat prices. Go out buy a turkey, raise it, hang by its feet, hug its wings then snap its neck.

Time = money. The time involved in doing the above would counter any savings I would get in return.

Captain Farrell's post and some of the others appeared to be coming from some sort of moral high ground - that if you eat meat, you must see first hand all of the preparation which goes into readying it for your plate. Only then are you 'deserving' of it's consumption.

Like it's some kind of right of passage.

ScumLord

o1s1n wrote: »

Time = money. The time involved in doing the above would counter any savings I would get in return.

Captain Farrell's post and some of the others appeared to be coming from some sort of moral high ground - that if you eat meat, you must see first hand all of the preparation which goes into readying it for your plate. Only then are you 'deserving' of it's consumption.

Like it's some kind of right of passage.

It's not so much a right of passage as gaining an appreciation for what goes into making your food. In the past people would see chickens in their cities and wouldn't have been completely disconnected from their food. I think the modern world is corrupted with ignorance on many subjects that we're effectively in control of through our purchasing habits. We don't have any responsibility when it comes to buying things.

mfceiling

I can't even walk past a field, without running in to it and licking a cow...

kowloon

o1s1n wrote: »

Time = money. The time involved in doing the above would counter any savings I would get in return.

It's not worth it if you don't have a few, you need to house them and the feed isn't cheap if you don't buy in bulk. You also need a bit of space.

Then there's the issue of getting attached to your Turkey. I'd rather eat something I haven't named and kept care of for an extended period. You do get attached to the feckers.

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Riamfada

Everyone who uses an iPhone should become a small asian child and work for no money in near slave labour conditions. Bloody townies.

rubadub

o1s1n wrote: »

Why? What would it achieve?

I don't get it either. It'd be like saying anyone who uses a toilet should work in the sewers for a day to see what its really like, you sitting there all cozy reading the paper taking a dump "without acknowledging what really goes on".

ScumLord

rubadub wrote: »

I don't get it either. It'd be like saying anyone who uses a toilet should work in the sewers for a day to see what its really like, you sitting there all cozy reading the paper taking a dump "without acknowledging what really goes on".

I think half the problem with society today is that people are completely ignorant of how things actually work, they expect results no matter how unlikely or pointless it may be to even attempt. I'm including myself in the people that are ignorant of how things actually work.

In a democratic society we should surely have some idea of the ins and outs of what we're voting on and encouraging through our purchases. We're all being lead around like cattle at the moment.