Bye bye Hiace, Hello ProAce. The legend ends..

NuckingFacker

"Saw" my first ProAce today, one up on Donedeal, a pre-regged 132 for 22k ish. Looks like a PSA to me with a Toyota badge on the front. My gut reaction is nnnooooooooo..

bazz26

It is a rebadged Peugeot/Citroen.

carchaeologist

It's a piece of ****e!!

spank_inferno

Pavee Point are up in arms.

Renegade Mechanic

JESUS TOYOTA :mad::mad:

Sir Arthur Daley

It will be a long time before the last hiace is off the road, but the hiace brand has run its course.

carchaeologist

The 'new' design has been out since 2007 as Peugeot and Citroens.

corglass

NuckingFacker wrote: »

"Saw" my first ProAce today, one up on Donedeal, a pre-regged 132 for 22k ish. Looks like a PSA to me with a Toyota badge on the front. My gut reaction is nnnooooooooo..

Ahhhhhh. You're right. Why toyota. Why?

bazz26

I'd imagine it was getting too expensive for them to be importing a commercial van from Japan. Nissan do the same with their rebadged Renault vans.

NuckingFacker

We use two of them for work(Hiaces.) I shall stock up - they might be crude, uncomfy and a bit unrefined, but they go on and on and on where-as the PSA vans we've had just go on a recovery truck after a little while. Is there nothing sacred? I'm guessing that's the beginning and the end, or maybe the middle of the end of Toyota being the reliability fans default buy. Bad move Toyota IMO. The Hilux is already iffy, the Landcruiser has gone downhill, the Avensis is only middling and now this infamy.

Ron Burgundy II

Have Toyota not been using PSA diesel engines in some of their models over the past few years?

MugMugs

So they've taken a reliable ugly van and turned it into a unreliable ugly van.

bazz26

Ron Burgundy II wrote: »

Have Toyota not been using PSA diesel engines in some of their models over the past few years?

They used one of their old 1.9 diesel engines briefly back between 1999 and 2001 in the Corolla.

Incidentally Toyota will be fitting a new BMW 1.6 diesel engine to their range from next year. This will replace the existing 2.0 D-4D engine.

Ron Burgundy II

I thought they used a small number of them in some of the 06,07,08 corolla model range? Anyway not to worry. I think demand for diesel was huge in Europe so to meet demand they used the PSA engine in a small amount of cars. I could stand corrected on this.

Interesting to hear they will use a BMW engine. Is this a good move from Toyota to replace the D-4D engine?

How common is this for different manufactures to supply engines to competitors?

_Kaiser_

I can't remember the last time I saw a Hiace myself - everything seems to be Transits or Renault something with the occasional VW Transporter thrown in

Didn't even realise they were still being made, never mind being replaced!

Renegade Mechanic

Theyre an unsung hero of sorts. But are not available in the sizes available in the Transits or Masters. Perhaps thats hurting them.. Either way I think theyll be just made for japan so ye could still import them mabye?

CJhaughey

Its to do with Euro(X) compliance, They still make and sell the Hiace ZX for the JDM and Oceania markets it only Euro4 compliant so won't do for here.
I'd say they are fun to drive with the 3.0 landcruiser diesel though.
Another piece of ****e legislation from Europe designed to protect their home market producers of vans.

JohnBoy26

I hope Toyota Ireland don't go calling these yokes the best built in the world.

darragh o meara

Garth Brooks will be very disappointed on his tour here next year. No more friends in Hiaces

bazz26

Ron Burgundy II wrote: »

I thought they used a small number of them in some of the 06,07,08 corolla model range? Anyway not to worry. I think demand for diesel was huge in Europe so to meet demand they used the PSA engine in a small amount of cars. I could stand corrected on this.

Interesting to hear they will use a BMW engine. Is this a good move from Toyota to replace the D-4D engine?

How common is this for different manufactures to supply engines to competitors?

Nope, 1.4 D-4D is an in-house Toyota unit. Nothing to do with the PSA 1.4 HDI unit.

Markcheese

So is that just a fiat scudo/ dispatch... Not the worst van in the world by any stretch...,

JohnBoy26

Markcheese wrote: »

So is that just a fiat scudo/ dispatch... Not the worst van in the world by any stretch...,

And not the best van by any stretch either. One of the hiace's trump cards was it's superb reliabilty. I can't see the pug based pro ace living up to it's reputation tbh.

Markcheese

Merc- spend yr money buying it
Transit -money on diesel
Renault-money on repairs
Hi-ace- chiropractor (and diesel)
You pays your money and takes your choice....

colm_mcm

darragh o meara wrote: »

Garth Brooks will be very disappointed on his tour here next year. No more friends in Hiaces

Friends in pro aces sounds ok too

JohnBoy26

colm_mcm wrote: »

Friends in pro aces sounds ok too

friends in badge engineered Peugeots sound more like it:P

colm_mcm

Nobody's gonna buy them so I can't see the issue tbh!

road_high

Aren't Toyota in PSA in cohoots on serveral projects now such as the Aygo/107/C1 city car which is quite popular and reliable.
Am sure they've had other collaborations through the years, didn't the Corolla use a PSA diesel for a time also and the world didn't end either :pac:

NuckingFacker

Markcheese wrote: »

Merc- spend yr money buying it
and then fixing stupid electrical and turbo faults till the engine goes bang..and it quietly rusts away.
Transit -money on diesel
then money on everything else - we've 3..
Renault-money on repairs, then money getting a gearbox, then money for an engine, then money to get it towed to the scrappie.unless you get the one good van they managed to cobble together that week...
Hi-ace- chiropractor (and diesel)
Never needed a chiropractor yet, they all burn diesel and at least when you get in and turn the key, it goes, every single time. Workhorse. Mines a 97, there's 08's of other stuff at work I wouldn't bother getting into, I'd kill them in a week.
You pays your money and takes your choice..except now the choice is gone..

:mad: Toydopa. They have to meddle, don't they. Progress me hole.

colm_mcm

Aygo came out 8 years ago to be fair.

JohnBoy26

road_high wrote: »

Aren't Toyota in PSA in cohoots on serveral projects now such as the Aygo/107/C1 city car which is quite popular and reliable.
Am sure they've had other collaborations through the years, didn't the Corolla use a PSA diesel for a time also and the world didn't end either :pac:

And as a result that diesel corolla was sh!te. The older Toyota 2.0d was a superior unit.

The aygo is a flimsly yoke and I believe they suffered from build quality problems at the begging and they still use a 1.4 hdi pug unit which isn't the worst to be fair but it doesn't compare to toyota's own 1.4 d4d unit Imo.

ninty9er

road_high wrote: »

Aren't Toyota in PSA in cohoots on serveral projects now such as the Aygo/107/C1 city car which is quite popular and reliable.

IIRC it's built by Toyota and rebadged by the others though. They're a fun little thing round town, just had a facelift.

Idbatterim

my dad has a 97 hiace, the stuff it has gone through, nothing could kill it, its like that HiLux on topgear...

road_high

Idbatterim wrote: »

my dad has a 77 hiace, the stuff it has gone through, nothing could kill it, its like that HiLux on topgear...

How is that still on this earth? They used rust like I dunno what...he get the body re-done?

Idbatterim

How is that still on this earth? They used rust like I dunno what...he get the body re-done?

meant a 97 hiace, my bad

Renegade Mechanic

CJhaughey wrote: »

Its to do with Euro(X) compliance, They still make and sell the Hiace ZX for the JDM and Oceania markets it only Euro4 compliant so won't do for here.
I'd say they are fun to drive with the 3.0 landcruiser diesel though.
Another piece of ****e legislation from Europe designed to protect their home market producers of vans.

It would be more in their line to create a market that holds an actual demand for LCVs :rolleyes:

NuckingFacker

All the new common rails are crap. There's not one worth the candle. The busiest lad I know runs a van service and repair outfit - I've often asked, sure what do you buy so? He has an old Iveco....

PADRAIC.M

Yeah the proace is only a temporary solution, too expensive to build a euro5 hiace,as Toyota and Peugeot have signed a deal where they will co-design/build the next proace in 2016,

JohnBoy26

PADRAIC.M wrote: »

Yeah the proace is only a temporary solution, too expensive to build a euro5 hiace,as Toyota and Peugeot have signed a deal where they will co-design/build the next proace in 2016,

Another dreadful yoke on the way so :pac:

JohnBoy26

ninty9er wrote: »

IIRC it's built by Toyota and rebadged by the others though. They're a fun little thing round town, just had a facelift.

No the aygo is a joint venture between both companies. All three variants are built by both companies in the same factory and use a mix of Toyota and psa engines.

Frankie Lee

The 2016 model could well turn out to be a decent van, in the meantime the ProAce won't sell well enough to do much reputational harm.

road_high

Frankie Lee wrote: »

The 2016 model could well turn out to be a decent van, in the meantime the ProAce won't sell well enough to do much reputational harm.

I was always understood pug/citroen vans to be pretty decent? The amount of Berlingos and partner vans on the roads, they're everywhere and older late 90s one at that. Maybe like the cars it's the recent diesel models that have had problems and damaged the name.

corkgsxr

road_high wrote: »

I was always understood pug/citroen vans to be pretty decent? The amount of Berlingos and partner vans on the roads, they're everywhere and older late 90s one at that. Maybe like the cars it's the recent diesel models that have had problems and damaged the name.

There cheap and theres loads cos there cheap but fortune of problems. Id and several of my friends would never buy one again

corkgsxr

And euro emissions will kill diesels.

Renegade Mechanic

Few petrol vans around the place would be mad!:D were the transits (up to 00-01) the last vans in Ireland available with a petrol engine?

corkgsxr

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Few petrol vans around the place would be mad!:D were the transits (up to 00-01) the last vans in Ireland available with a petrol engine?

But petrol vans need to be a decent size which to the government is "da devil"

Renegade Mechanic

corkgsxr wrote: »

But petrol vans need to be a decent size which to the government is "da devil"

Full size RWD transit with a 1.3 ecoboost. Be grand..

JohnBoy26

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Full size RWD transit with a 1.3 ecoboost. Be grand..

corkgsxr

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Full size RWD transit with a 1.3 ecoboost. Be grand..

Makes its maximum torque from 2000 revs all the way to 2200 revs. Perfect placed for pulling.

NuckingFacker

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Full size RWD transit with a 1.3 ecoboost. Be grand..

Or about as stringy as the new 1l Mondeo. Every petrol-heads wet dream. ish..

corglass

NuckingFacker wrote: »

Or about as stringy as the new 1l Mondeo. Every petrol-heads wet dream. ish..

Is someone taking the mickey with a 1.3 transit?

Renegade Mechanic

corglass wrote: »

Is someone taking the mickey with a 1.3 transit?

I certainly was but now that theres a one litre engine in the mondeo im doing up a well worded email to ford asking them to put it in the transit.