Moral Dilema POLL

spcw

you are on a bridge and you see a train speeding towards 5 people on the line they are too far away to warn and will definitely die. infront of you on the bridge is a FAT man. if you push the fat man off the bridge his bulk will stop the train and save the five lives and he will be mince meat.


What do you do ?

SureYWouldntYa

why do you hate fat people ?

Sir Arthur Daley

Depends on what the fat person is eating at the time?

Wacker The Attacker

I'd shag my college lecturer.

I love her

Satriale

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

I'd shag my college lecturer.

I love her

you should, she's a great ride.

Vito Corleone

It's a test to see if you have a psychopathic mind, everyone. Seen it in a video.

/spoil sport

I'd push the fattie btw.

Mena

Let the five die. Not about to resort to murder.

Wacker The Attacker

Satriale wrote: »

you should, she's a great ride.

She's human

Donkey Oaty

Tip for psychopaths: if you wait until the train goes past and then push the fat lad over, six people will have died with the same amount of effort.

Hande hoche!

Nothing, I could put my back out.

Chucken

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I'm trying to imagine a situation where you'd have time to push someone in front of a train but not enough to warm the people.

I'm trying to imagine a really small train that a human could stop by being pushed in front of it.

spcw

Chucken wrote: »

I'm trying to imagine a really small train that a human could stop by being pushed in front of it.

One of those santa trains but would that kill 5 if it hit them


or


the fat guys bulk derails the train and saves the 5

Sir Arthur Daley

Chucken wrote: »

I'm trying to imagine a really small train that a human could stop by being pushed in front of it.

A big fat american eating 10 super size macdonald meals would make a fair attempt at it.

hansfrei

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

I'd shag my college lecturer.

I love her

Ask her.

Nevermind_

in the millisecond you have to make the decision, how the hell could you calculate with any certainty that the fat man will derail the train and consequently save the other people.

Worst Moral Dilemma ever.

Wacker The Attacker

hansfrei wrote: »

Ask her.

I will. All in good time though

Doctor Jimbob

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I'm trying to imagine a situation where you'd have time to push someone in front of a train but not enough to warm the people.

Chucken wrote: »

I'm trying to imagine a really small train that a human could stop by being pushed in front of it.

I'm trying to imagine a reality where I'm strong enough to push something that's heavy enough to stop a speeding train.

Frosty McSnowballs

What if your arm gets caught in a fold and he drags you with him?

spcw

what if hes a sumo wrestler and dumps you over instead :eek:

keith16

I'd push the fat guy. Twice.

lertsnim

The 5 people shouldn't be on the line. No way should the fat guy die to save 5 morons

kneemos

In monster movies why do the monsters always obsessively chase the humans when they would only be a morsel or at the best a very light snack?

Chucken

spcw wrote: »

what if hes a sumo wrestler and dumps you over instead

Good lord! It's Boards 2001 :eek:

Sir Arthur Daley

Senor Jingle Balls wrote: »

What if your arm gets caught in a fold and he drags you with him?

Cut your arm off with your swiss army knife.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Why not just push a person off a cliff instead?

It's a far easier and cleaner kill. Trains are messy.

Earthhorse

I would ask him which door his brother would tell me to open.

speedboatchase

Let the 5 die. Fat guy doesn't deserve to die. If the 5 die it's their fault for being on the line.

kneemos

You have to feel sorry for the fat guy,he dies either way.

Wacker The Attacker

kneemos wrote: »

You have to feel sorry for the fat guy,he dies either way.

Yeah. Skinny People never die

Badly Drunk Boy

Wouldn't the five people on the line be able to hear the approach of the train? I heard that trains are noisy.

biko

What about all the orphans on then train then? They might die if the train derails.

Sir Arthur Daley

One in five European adults are now considered obese so the fat man might not be alone in this situation, plus when the train hits the fat man the fat train driver will get thrown out of the front of the train and 3 fat people could get killed.

Fr_Dougal

I'd video it and stick it up on YouTube.

The Backwards Man

Is the train diesel or electric?

Ted_YNWA

would the train driver not see 6 people (fat man & this group of 5) on the line & sound the horn.


Are any of the group of 5 fat & able to stop the train, thus sparing Fattie #1.

Will this affect commuter services in the morning? Need to know as the bus leaves earlier & will need to adjust the time I get up in the morning acccordingly

spcw

biko wrote: »

What about all the orphans on then train then? They might die if the train derails.

who let orphans on a train

hansfrei

Would I have time to ride any of the five before they die. Or do I have to wait til after?

Archeron

How fat are the five people?

racso1975

Of the 5 people to possibly survive if i push the fat guy.........How many of them will give me great head?? Being female is a given

NuckingFacker

Would derailing the train with big-boy kill more people in the crash?? Strokes white cat..maybbee it'd skid along and clip the five as well... and there could be a fire...



Why the feck would it even dawn on you to push someone in front of a feckin train??? Would agitated hand signals and loud screaming be of any use??

Sir Arthur Daley

How will Macdonalds survive if we loose all these fat people, there has to be another solution.

Corkbah

let the train hit the people …. if you push the fat man - he dies, train driver dies, passenger dies etc

if people were on the tracks they were there by choice - and fate…. you can't change fate … only delay it.

(final destination comes to mind)

fat guy was not due to die so …why kill him

GLaDOS

This is a man so fat he can stop a train, but you think he can be moved involuntarily by pushing him.

If you're that strong you can probably stop the train yourself, without killing anybody (except the people on board)

Red Pepper

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Tip for psychopaths: if you wait until the train goes past and then push the fat lad over, six people will have died with the same amount of effort.

But fatty survives the fall. It's the train that would kill him. Bad tip.

Cee-Jay-Cee

I'd push the fat man onto the people killing him and them. Everyone's a winner then.

Red Pepper

How high from tracks is the bridge?!? I say fatty survives the fall.

Sir Arthur Daley

Red Pepper wrote: »

How high from tracks is the bridge?!? I say fatty survives the fall.

That is a possibility because all the food will fall out of his hands and protect his fall, 10 super size meals and 25 bags of crisps will make a good cushion.

Red Pepper

If fatty could spell dilemma correctly, I would let him live.

Little Acorn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

In that link it says that studies show most people disagree with pushing the man.

[Even though in another scenario where 5 people are tied to a track and diverting the train would kill one most people would choose to save the 5 people. ]

The difference seems to lie in the actual deliberate act of pushing someone.

Resistance to this course of action seems strong; most people who approved of sacrificing one to save five in the first case do not approve in the second sort of case.[7] This has led to attempts to find a relevant moral distinction between the two cases.
One clear distinction is that in the first case, one does not intend harm towards anyone – harming the one is just a side effect of switching the trolley away from the five. However, in the second case, harming the one is an integral part of the plan to save the five. This is an argument Shelly Kagan considers, and ultimately rejects, in The Limits of Morality.[8]
A claim can be made that the difference between the two cases is that in the second, you intend someone's death to save the five, and this is wrong, whereas in the first, you have no such intention. This solution is essentially an application of the doctrine of double effect, which says that you may take action which has bad side effects, but deliberately intending harm (even for good causes) is wrong.
Act utilitarians deny this. So do some non-utilitarians such as Peter Unger, who rejects that it can make a substantive moral difference whether you bring the harm to the one or whether you move the one into the path of the harm.[citation needed] Note, however, that rule utilitarians do not have to accept this, and can say that pushing the fat man over the bridge violates a rule to which adherence is necessary for bringing about the greatest happiness for the greatest number.[citation needed]
Another distinction is that the first case is similar to a pilot in an airplane that has lost power and is about to crash and currently heading towards a heavily populated area. Even if he knows for sure that innocent people will die if he redirects the plane to a less populated area – people who are "uninvolved" – he will actively turn the plane without hesitation. It may well be considered noble to sacrifice your own life to protect others, but morally or legally allowing murder of an innocent person in order to save five people may be insufficient justification.[clarification needed]

There's a few other interesting moral dilemmas in that link too.

I think I would just run away.

Daqster

I'd buy a six pack of Bundys and make burgers for me and the five people out of the mince meat.

Sir Arthur Daley

Daqster wrote: »

I'd buy a six pack of Bundys and make burgers for me and the five people out of the mince meat.

Would it not be easier to grab his 10 supersize meals first or you not a fan of macdonalds?