Third-level entrants - increments for educational qualifications?

Butterface

Presumably there will be a larger number of newly qualified Third-level and even University graduates applying for this year's recruitment drive.

Are there still pay increments for those with Degrees? Is there an advantage to having a specialised Degree - law, engineering or languages for example - in terms of career advancement?

redout

Butterface wrote: »

pay increments for those with Degrees?

To me that definitely seems like something that would be chopped because as you said the world and its mother has one these days.

Scouser

that was one of the first chops they made as far as i remember!

Ruginator

These increments have been removed. Everyone starts on a level field now

Canyon86

any link for above lads?

Santa Cruz

You will have to accept that the best days for money in the Gardaí are behind them once the Northern situation quietened down.
The Government don't care about ordinary crime as they believe the insurance companies will pay up for burglaries robberies etc.b

miju

Canyon86 wrote: »

any link for above lads?

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Question:I am a Student-probationer at the Garda College. I held a third level degree prior to entry to an Garda Síochána. My question is regarding the increments that I would be entitled to because of my degree. When would I be entitled to these increments? How many increments am I entitled to? When do I apply?

Answer: Those members who hold a Degree or Diploma from a recognised Third Level Institution (i.e recognised by HETAC - within the 26 counties) prior to entry to an Garda Síochána are paid three additional increments. These are payable in addition to the following:-

One additional increment is payable in respect of members who attain one Grade 'B' and two Grade 'C' in 3 subjects (which must include Maths and English or Irish) at Honours Level in the Leaving Cert.

These increments are paid on the successful completion of two years service in the Force. (i.e. 2 years after attestation you should apply for same).

These regulations are contained in the Garda Síochána Finance Code
(Note that increments are no longer paid to members who receive qualifications after joining the Force).

3fullback

They are still there! Only right to be honest those with a third level qualification should be acknowledged. They bring an educated approach to the job, which is very often lacking !

Scouser

miju wrote: »

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obviously the website has not been updated

these are most deff gone

Thomas D

New recruits that are near 30 in age will find life very hard for the first ten years. Working shift hours for little pay and struggling to pay rent/mortgages.

Santa Cruz

Thomas D wrote: »

New recruits that are near 30 in age will find life very hard for the first ten years. Working shift hours for little pay and struggling to pay rent/mortgages.

Exactly. That is why some of the posters here need to remove their blue tinted glasses and look at the financial aspects of their chosen career

ViP3r

what are the odds of going into the dpp like after a stint in AGS?

Santa Cruz

ViP3r wrote: »

what are the odds of going into the dpp like after a stint in AGS?

The usual two

Murphster

Thomas D wrote: »

New recruits that are near 30 in age will find life very hard for the first ten years. Working shift hours for little pay and struggling to pay rent/mortgages.

To be fair that is a fairly generalisation remark to make. No two late twenties or early thirties people are the same, a mid-twenty year old could be weighed down with a hefty mortgage while a new recruit in their 30's remains a renter and better capable of upsticking and moving to a new location. The pay will be low for all new recruits and it is up to each one to determine their own standard of living. I think it's fair to say that financial reward is not the motivation for the majority of applicants but a career choice.

Santa Cruz

Murphster wrote: »

To be fair that is a fairly generalisation remark to make. No two late twenties or early thirties people are the same, a mid-twenty year old could be weighed down with a hefty mortgage while a new recruit in their 30's remains a renter and better capable of upsticking and moving to a new location. The pay will be low for all new recruits and it is up to each one to determine their own standard of living. I think it's fair to say that financial reward is not the motivation for the majority of applicants but a career choice.

I give them one pay cheque before the serious whinging about pay starts.
The Government are treating these applicants abysmally. Unrealistic wage levels considering the job requirement, moving from home and responsibilities. They are pushing this low wage economy for public servants because they know people will take the jobs. Anyone going in with their eyes wide open have only themselves to blame for going along with it

Murphster

Santa Cruz wrote: »

I give them one pay cheque before the serious whinging about pay starts.
The Government are treating these applicants abysmally. Unrealistic wage levels considering the job requirement, moving from home and responsibilities. They are pushing this low wage economy for public servants because they know people will take the jobs. Anyone going in with their eyes wide open have only themselves to blame for going along with it

I agree that the pay level is not at a sufficient level at all especially for those posted in Dublin but as I said financial gain is clearly not the key motivator, if the standard of applicant proves questionable in the years ahead then your point will be vindicated. And as I said, it is up to individuals to live within their capabilities. Maybe overtime in the future will b an option? Whining in the future is inevitable, its what we do best as a nation! But as u acknowledged, no one is being led by the nose and the job spec has clearly set its stall out in terms of remuneration.

Whats the time line here from application to acceptance on a trainee level?.

I'm in 2nd year at the minute, we're half way through this year now so June 2015 I'd have my 3 years finished.

I wouldn't get to finish my degree would I?.

In relation to progression through the force, I remember a few years ago you needed 3rd level education. Was this removed or just the pay increase?.

donegal11

When you complete training your classed as receiving a Bachelor of Arts (in Police Studies) so If there was allowances everyone would receive it

Zadie10

donegal11 wrote: »

When you complete training your classed as receiving a Bachelor of Arts (in Police Studies) so If there was allowances everyone would receive it

No, it was only relevant for qualifications received prior to entry.