WWE TLC 2013 Post-Show Thread *Spoilers*

jaykhunter

How did you rate WWE's final PPV offering of 2013?

DeadParrot

The 2nd worst possible ending after Cena winning.

Handicaps, 4 way and Divas was pretty good.
No disqualification match had nothing you could be disqualified for :pac:

Jester252

For the clean ending I would rate it highly. I wonder if WWE are going to use the two belts or after a couple of weeks the BGB is retired.
Also whats going to happen to MitB?

Lord TSC

Thought it was ok, but also felt that as a show, it never quite clicked for me.

In the main event, I was sure there was going to be something happening after Randy won. Felt that an angle had to be coming. But no. It just kind of ended.

Think I'd have rather Brodus had gotten a win when people walked out on him; if he's a monster heel, then losing to R-Truth helps you in no way imaginable. Bryan and Punk's matches....I actually think that the results were the wrong way round on both of them. But both were good matches and will work out ok. Divas match was good, the tag match was the usual standard that Cody and Goldust are capable of (i.e. very, very good).

Overall, an ok show, but missing something big or memorable....which is weird given how hard they pushed the whole "Biggest match in history" angle.

beakerjoe

The show started well, got what I expected with the Shield break up tease and Punk winning. Love all those guys so was happy watching that one even though I thought it made Reigns look weak.

The fatal 4 way was great, The real americans were in particular on top form. GOLDUST IS IN THE BEST SHAPE OF HIS LIFE AND IS A FAR CRY FROM HIS 97/98 SELF. Good finish too.

Sandow and Big E was what was expected, not a fan of Big E but I dont hate him. Love Sandow though and would love him to attack Big E on Raw and continue this feud.

AJ and Nattie make was the best divas match Ive seen in ages, that being said it wasnt up there with a Trish/ Victoria /Lita match, but it was much better than watching the Bellas or Eva Marie. Lost ten bucks on Nattie though. Damn it Internet

Daniel Bryan worked his socks off against the Wyatts. Bray is a great character but hes horrible in the ring, he needs to get in shape fast.

The 2 filler bonus matches were awful. The Miz is like me playing football, tons of effort but hes still awful.

Cena / Orton match was ok. wasnt the best TLC but wasnt awful either. Liked that Orton won clean but after all the teasing on Raw and During the PPV of a swerve, i was a bit disappointed. Guess Orton winning was the swerve.

Overall it was 6 out of 10 for me

Omackeral

Gave it a 6 myself. Something missing definitely. But here's the good points:

Thought Bryan was phenomenal in the handicap match, really made that stipulation look like a proper punishment but gave it his all. Probably the match of the night for me.

Reigns' spear was absolutely unreal, more like a Gore than anything else, absolutel piledriver it was.

Goldust is a freak of nature, the man is in the company nearly two decades and is still churning out flawless matches like that including a bloody flip somersaulted leg trap. Amazing. Real Americans looked impressive too I thought. Hope they get a reign soon.

The Diva's effort was more than respectable.


The bad points:
Brodus Clay vs R-Truth on PPV offends me.

Miz vs Kofi in a no DQ match where nothing of note merited that stipulation happening. Make it a tables match seen as its on a show called Tables, Ladders and Chairs.

Dolph Ziggler off the main show yet again. The man must have some serious heat. I think he would have slotted perfectly into the IC match given his history with Big E and Sandow.

The main event doesn't feel like a TLC match. Felt like a Last Man Standing bout or something.

HHH opening and closing the show. Just go away. Orton won supposedly the biggest match in history, yet his music doesn't play.

CSF

Went with 4. 1 or 2 really good matches but too much filler and 1 or 2 matches that I expected to be better than they were. The main event was good but the clean finish doesn't do a lot to create a natural feud for Rumble, unless Cena is getting a poxy rematch.

beakerjoe

Reigns can do a spear very well. Unlike Edge who just grabbed then fell on an opponent rather than dullbozing himself into a victim like Rhyno or Goldberg

DeadParrot

we may get this now though

beakerjoe

DeadParrot wrote: »

we may get this now though

Ive been praying for this as long as Ive been waiting on Man U to sort out their midfield.....

Ive given up on both

LOTD

Taught the show was alright, The Wyatts vs Daniel Bryan was the best match due in large part to Bryan, he brought The Wyatts up another level. I really liked Bray in this match, as far as another poster comment, Bray is not terrible in the ring, his character is a psychotic backwater hillbilly so him not being ripped or a technical wrestler suits him.

The Main event had so much potential but lacked any excitement, it felt clunky and awkward. No selling was a joke, Orton getting up so fast after being put through three tables and Cena no sold a ladder shot. I taught we would have a got a match of similar quality like Cena vs Edge at Unforgiven 06.

The rest of it was a mix bag, Miz vs Kofi was boring not so much the match, but the audience was dead, nobody really cared.

Brodus Clay vs R Truth, was not a classic either but it set up Clay's heel turn very well.

Nattie Vs AJ, was good, two of the best divas having a good solid match, much better than the Bellas and Eva Marie kind of stuff.

Sandow vs Big E, again decent match it was back and forward stuff, the match had a good pace.

The Fatal Four way tag was good at times great, The Rhodes brother are great, all teams played there part. Cody and Mysterio at the end was really good stuff. Would have liked to seen the Usos in the match.

CM Punk vs The Shield, was more about The Shields impending implosion. I liked this match, there is only so much you can do with this match, I taught it worked out well. For me when they break up, I'd be interested in what Rollins does for me he is the best out of the three.

Charisteas

DeadParrot wrote: »

we may get this now though

I think it's more likely a Orton/Cena re-match at Royal Rumble. Which would be interesting as it would mean no Orton or Cena in the actual Rumble match itself, leaves the door open for Punk or Bryan to win it.

I voted an 8 out of 10, I guess I enjoyed it more than most here. Main event was quality, really helped by the fact that nobody knew who was going to win. The hand-cuffs to the rope spot was really well done.

Both handicap matches were booked really well, although I still think Shield should have won, it's too early for them to break up. They haven't even had a face run yet, and all three are such likeable guys.

Tag match was really good too, Cody and Goldust are on some run of brilliant matches, they seem to almost steal the show every night, no matter who the opponent is.

Divas match was probably the best Divas PPV match in a long time, I think it was helped by the fact that everyone though Natalya was going to win. Even just the way Natalya came down to the ring and couldn't stop smirking. I think WWE knew that the Michelle Beadle story had hit the Internet, and swerved everyone really well here.

That being said, wouldn't be shocked if AJ dropped the belt tonight on Raw, maybe Tamina turning face or something.

Overall it's an 8 out of 10 partridges in a pear tree for me, as there was five matches I really enjoyed, plus a bonus point for Mick Foley calling Bray Wyatt "Wade Bryat".

Charisteas

jaykhunter wrote: »

How did you rate WWE's final PPV offering of 2013?

By the way surely that is not the official poster? I seen it yesterday and figured it was some tongue-in-cheek fan-made poster because Triple H dominates it.

beakerjoe

Charisteas wrote: »

By the way surely that is not the official poster? I seen it yesterday and figured it was some tongue-in-cheek fan-made poster because Triple H dominates it.

I think its a fan, looks like a fan sig near the left of Randels face

LOTD wrote: »

Taught the show was alright, The Wyatts vs Daniel Bryan was the best match due in large part to Bryan, he brought The Wyatts up another level. I really liked Bray in this match, as far as another poster comment, Bray is not terrible in the ring, his character is a psychotic backwater hillbilly so him not being ripped or a technical wrestler suits him.

Ive no propblem with brawlers and sluggers, I just feel Bray looks sloppy and always seems slow. He doesnt look like he looks after himself and felt he was in better condition when he was Husky Harris. I feel his sloppyness takes away from the match. Still enjoy his character and his creepiness.

gnfnrhead

LOTD wrote: »

Bray is not terrible in the ring, his character is a psychotic backwater hillbilly so him not being ripped or a technical wrestler suits him.

He is woeful and drags down everyone he is involved with. He and Rowan should not be anywhere near PPV let alone weekly television. All gimmick and no talent.

SimonQuinlank

6/10.

Enjoyed the tag title match and Bryan vs The Wyatts (easily the best outing Bray Wyatt has had in WWE thus far)but the main event was a bit flat,partly because Cena/Orton have zero chemistry and partly because there was no swerve at the end with HHH or Vince.

Rest of the card was like an episode of Smackdown.Passable,but fairly inconsequential.

Glad AJ beat Natalya,as Natalya is the only diva I dislike more than AJ.

GTR63

(looks at watch)
When is Sandow getting the push then?

LOTD

gnfnrhead wrote: »

He is woeful and drags down everyone he is involved with. He and Rowan should not be anywhere near PPV let alone weekly television. All gimmick and no talent.

I don't think he is woeful, lot of raw talent that needs to be honed.

DM_7

The so called biggest match in WWE history, to unify the titles should not have taken place in a TLC match. It was actually a waste.

It would have more drama, be more impactful if it was a match that has to be won by pinfall or submission.

beakerjoe

LOTD wrote: »

I don't think he is woeful, lot of raw talent that needs to be honed.

He isnt woeful but he needs work on his fitness. Hes improving. His match with Kane earlier this year was awful.

gnfnrhead

LOTD wrote: »

I don't think he is woeful, lot of raw talent that needs to be honed.

Which translates to not being ready for TV.

LOTD

beakerjoe wrote: »

He isnt woeful but he needs work on his fitness. Hes improving. His match with Kane earlier this year was awful.

Yeah needs to lose a good few lbs alright. I taught he was good last night.Yeah that match was terrible.

LOTD

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Which translates to not being ready for TV.

No it doesn't, your calling him woeful, I'm saying he has lots of potential. I don't really care that he isn't a in ring general, he is good, throw guys in the deep end and see how they go. Anything I say about The Wyatts you are going to disagree with.

beakerjoe

LOTD wrote: »

No it doesn't, your calling him woeful, I'm saying he has lots of potential. I don't really care that he isn't a in ring general, he is good, throw guys in the deep end and see how they go. Anything I say about The Wyatts you are going to disagree with.

I think his character was ready, dont think creative were that ready for the Wyatts though. Feel like there storylines have a "where do we go now?" feeling about them. Brays persona is excellent.

Mokuba

LOTD wrote: »

No it doesn't, your calling him woeful, I'm saying he has lots of potential. I don't really care that he isn't a in ring general, he is good, throw guys in the deep end and see how they go. Anything I say about The Wyatts you are going to disagree with.

After one of the worst PPV matches of the entire year at Summerslam, they then go over lower-mid carders with no crowd reaction to them in the ring, except when Bray does his Exorcist trick, to being thrown into a feud with one of the most over guys in the company since Stone Cold.

gnfnrhead

LOTD wrote: »

No it doesn't, your calling him woeful, I'm saying he has lots of potential. I don't really care that he isn't a in ring general, he is good, throw guys in the deep end and see how they go. Anything I say about The Wyatts you are going to disagree with.

Having potential and living up to it are two different things. He simply isnt good enough to be in such a major role. Neither is Erick Rowan. They are easily two of the worst on the main roster. Being able to cut a boring rambling nonsensical promo does not equate to being good.

LOTD

I don't book this, If you read my previous posts I taught that Summerslam match was bad. I don't mind the Wyatts, I'd be of the same opinion as beakerjoe, great creative idea excution hasn't been great, they kinda float around doing nothing, Again as I said before this feud does nothing for Bryan or The Wyatts.

Mokuba

Imagine if Stone Cold had been thrown into a feud with Gangrel when he was the most over guy in the company. That's exactly what this is.

The longer he spends with these train-wrecks the more he suffers.

LOTD

The Brood vs Austin!!! Yeah I get ya, I'm not a big fan of this angle either.

linvoysblues

I think they should really do away with these Gimmick PPV's if they're not going to use them the way they intended when they set it up.

TLC 2011 - A Tables match, A Sledgehammer Ladder match, a Heavyweight Title Chairs match and a Triple Threat TLC match for the WWE Title.
TLC 2012 - A Tag Team Tables match, A Heavyweight Title Chairs Match, A 6-Man TLC match and a Ladder Match for the MITB briefcase.

TLC 2013 - Cena v Orton TLC.

Seems they could have done that at any PPV. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of when they pile a card with gimmick matches, they should be saved for the end of rivalries or grudge matches, but when you sell a PPV on the premise (and history) of having certain matches then it should really deliver, the least it would have done would be add a few bits of excitement in some of the filler matches.

beakerjoe

LOTD wrote: »

The Brood vs Austin!!! Yeah I get ya, I'm not a big fan of this angle either.

Why does this appeal to me now and not then

Jester252

LOTD wrote: »

I don't think he is woeful, lot of raw talent that needs to be honed.

Isn't that the purpose of NXT?

SimonQuinlank

Train wrecks?bloody hell!

I'm not a massive fan of the Wyatt lads but it's an interesting idea for a gimmick that hasn't been utilised properly up until now,and I enjoy watching the two big lads because they wrestle like big men are actually supposed to.It's something different in a WWE landscape where nearly everybody is having similar athletic 4/5 star matches on a regular basis.

It's done no harm to Bryan either judging by recent crowd reactions.

LOTD

beakerjoe wrote: »

Why does this appeal to me now and not then

Yeah 1999 me would have been all, what is Austin doing with these darkside jobbing losers

LOTD

Jester252 wrote: »

Isn't that the purpose of NXT?

Yeah but you not going to be the total package straight out of NXT. I don't why or what reasoning guys are brought up to the main roster. plus some great wrestlers get stuck in development despite talent.

Jester252

LOTD wrote: »

Yeah but you not going to be the total package straight out of NXT. I don't why or what reasoning guys are brought up to the main roster. plus some great wrestlers get stuck in development despite talent.

Yet Bray somehow manged to make it to raw without any. Luke is the only one who can hold his own in matches with guys like Punk and Bryan.

GTR63

LOTD wrote: »

The Brood vs Austin!!! Yeah I get ya, I'm not a big fan of this angle either.

Don't know who are further from the comparison. The Wyatts have hardly a lad as talented as Gangrel never mind Edge or Christian & Bryan while the most over on the roster now isn't even close to being a Stone Cold

LOTD

Jester252 wrote: »

Yet Bray somehow manged to make it to raw without any. Luke is the only one who can hold his own in matches with guys like Punk and Bryan.

That was WWE management not me who made that decision.

LOTD

GTR63 wrote: »

Don't know who are further from the comparison. The Wyatts have hardly a lad as talented as Gangrel never mind Edge or Christian & Bryan while the most over on the roster now isn't even close to being a Stone Cold

It was said in jest, sorry about that.

Jester252

LOTD wrote: »

That was WWE management not me who made that decision.

never said it was you

LOTD

Yeah I know, but you where wondering why Bray is on raw without any talent. I don't why certain talent is brought up to the main roster, regardless of talent or lack there of

CSF

Mokuba wrote: »

Imagine if Stone Cold had been thrown into a feud with Gangrel when he was the most over guy in the company. That's exactly what this is.

The longer he spends with these train-wrecks the more he suffers.

That is actually a fantastic summary of events. What is worse is that the fact that the Wyatts win means the feud may continue. Hopefully with the Royal Rumble being next though, Bryan's focus will be on that, with none of the Wyatts being realistic contenders to win that.

JP Liz V1

The two handicap matches were good, I hope AJ and Nattie continue their feud really wanted Nattie to win

GTR63

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

The two handicap matches were good, I hope AJ and Nattie continue their feud really wanted Nattie to win

Your not on your own. Sad Ken let a lot down again.

gnfnrhead

People dont seem to realise that Nattie is already 31 (old for a Diva, only 4 have won the title once they passed 30) and her previous title reign bombed. Layla, Rosa and Tamina are the only Divas older on the roster. Two of them are hardly seen and the third is a bodyguard.

That's ignoring the fact that Nattie is about as interesting as watching paint dry.

She is best served in a trainer/mentor role at this stage. Her time leading the division is long gone.

While checking the reigns, AJ is only three and a bit weeks away from becoming the longest reigning Divas champion ever. Assuming she doesnt lose it before the Rumble, she'll take the lead comfortably.

cian68

Didn't read the live thread so don't know if any of you saw/commented on the 'W8NC' sign in the crowd but anyway, I liked it. Has there been many ladder matches with good psychology? I was thinking Cena and Orton were particularly slow and dumb then I remembered ladder matches always turn everyone in to the slowest, dumbest cnuts about.

gnfnrhead

cian68 wrote: »

Didn't read the live thread so don't know if any of you saw/commented on the 'W8NC' sign in the crowd but anyway, I liked it. Has there been many ladder matches with good psychology? I was thinking Cena and Orton were particularly slow and dumb then I remembered ladder matches always turn everyone in to the slowest, dumbest cnuts about.

Vin Gerard vs Jimmy Olsen in CHIKARA a couple of years back was the best ladder match, psychology wise, I've seen in quite some time.

rossie1977

not a patch on last years great show. wwe have had a run of about 5 ppvs now that are average to bad and orton has mainevented them all...coincidence :cool:

tag match was good, aj was good, bryan vs wyatts was fine with bray stealing the show last night and cena vs orton was fine. stupid of wwe to put their most important asset in a match like that on c level ppv in december given he is only just back from major surgery but at least they kept it safe as possible

CastorTroy

Anyone else think Vince had a hurt arm on his way to the ring? Also he didn't look like he usually does. Looked like he didn't want to be there.

Also when the funksdactyls came out I was thinking would they be wearing less clothes in the pre-PG days?

stiffler123

gnfnrhead wrote: »

People dont seem to realise that Nattie is already 31 (old for a Diva, only 4 have won the title once they passed 30) and her previous title reign bombed. Layla, Rosa and Tamina are the only Divas older on the roster. Two of them are hardly seen and the third is a bodyguard.

That's ignoring the fact that Nattie is about as interesting as watching paint dry.

She is best served in a trainer/mentor role at this stage. Her time leading the division is long gone.

While checking the reigns, AJ is only three and a bit weeks away from becoming the longest reigning Divas champion ever. Assuming she doesnt lose it before the Rumble, she'll take the lead comfortably.

I like Nattie. She can actually wrestle too unlike most of the divas.

Jester252

LOTD wrote: »

Yeah I know, but you where wondering why Bray is on raw without any talent. I don't why certain talent is brought up to the main roster, regardless of talent or lack there of

My question where more rhetorical in nature, I never expected you to have insider knowledge