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optimum nutrition for sport seminar tonight

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,902 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Yup! Looking forward to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,386 ✭✭✭lennymc


    looking forward to it myself. It will be interesting to hear what they have to say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭QueensGael


    The link shows the location of the Radisson Blu Hotel near Henry Street, but I'd assume that should be Golden Lane (near Dublin Castle) - does anyone know if that's the case?

    http://www.radissonblu.ie/galleries/radisson/PDF/DUBZA/dubza_map.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,386 ✭✭✭lennymc


    yeah - its Golden lane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Slo_Rida


    lennymc wrote: »

    optimum nutrition for sport seminar tonight

    I thought you were going to a sports seminar tonight and were wondering what the optimum nutrition for this event would be :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,386 ✭✭✭lennymc


    Slo_Rida wrote: »
    I thought you were going to a sports seminar tonight and were wondering what the optimum nutrition for this event would be :D

    I am, I reckon a pile of mars bars washed down with diet coke should do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Slo_Rida


    lennymc wrote: »
    I am, I reckon a pile of mars bars washed down with diet coke should do it.

    Diet? What are you a bike racer or something? I just polished off a can 500ml BOTTLE of coke and a crunchie bar...and it's not even Friday. You've changed Lenny.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭mp31


    How much is it? Tried to check on the site by booking a place but the form was closed (but it did say I could just turn up)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,902 ✭✭✭Enduro


    25 Euro springs to mind, but that's only a hazy memory!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    ah jesus, i'm only after cycling out of town, now I have to go back in.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    Very good presentation. As I've read mountains of this stuff, there was not a lot new for me, but it was nice to hear professionals confirm what I have been practicing (and droning on about). For anyone who hasn't read exhaustively and is interested, I would highly recommend it. As the lads said themselves there are so many rabbit holes in all this, they couldn't possibly go down them all in 2 1/2 hours. I did have 2 questions going into it and got them both answered. Which as nice.

    A purely Q&A session would be nice for Level 7 paleo metallists like myself. My ideal panel would be an athlete, a nutritionist and a sport scientist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭niceonetom


    So, Pete, out of interest what were your questions and how were they answered?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,386 ✭✭✭lennymc


    I didn't see you there Pete. It was quite interesting alright and the guys spoke a lot of sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    niceonetom wrote: »
    So, Pete, out of interest what were your questions and how were they answered?

    1. I've tried fasted training but I've only done it when I've woken up not hungry. If I'm hungry when I wake up should I eat or persevere hungry.

    Short Answer(paraphrasing): If you have decided in advance to go fasted training you should do it. Training through the discomfort at the beginning will probably do you some good and the hunger will wear off when you get in to the ride.

    2. (asked afterwards and long winded) There was an Australian study that tested cyclists in a lab with a sports drink based mouth rinse and a placebo mouth rinse. The sports drink rinse group performed better despite not swallowing. Given that you feel better within seconds of consuming sugar when you're tired, have you actually metabolised it? Do you actually need to drink anything during a race or does sugar just need to hit receptors on your tongue to fool your brain.

    Barry Murray (Short Answer - paraphrase): I was a subject in a UK equivalent of that trial. And you're just fooling your brain. Central governor etc...

    The other interesting stuff and its the reason I closed my thread is that nutrition is not the be all and end all of everything sport & health related, though it has had enormous effects on my health. Stuff like sleep, de-stressing, light pollution, cold showers, nature, minimising technology use are important and were touched upon in this presentation. I had started to read about and appreciate the importance of all that stuff but wasn't prepared to discuss it in my thread. Being the resident food nut was enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    lennymc wrote: »
    I didn't see you there Pete. It was quite interesting alright and the guys spoke a lot of sense.

    yeah I had a look round for you but didn't see you. We must both look different in civies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,386 ✭✭✭lennymc


    i regularly do the fasted training, and find that water or water with hi-5 electrolyte stuff gets rid of that hunger feeling pretty quick, and once your actually moving you forget/don't feel hungry anymore. hth


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    lennymc wrote: »
    i regularly do the fasted training, and find that water or water with hi-5 electrolyte stuff gets rid of that hunger feeling pretty quick, and once your actually moving you forget/don't feel hungry anymore. hth


    What kinda of distance you doing on empty?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,386 ✭✭✭lennymc


    ford2600 wrote: »
    What kinda of distance you doing on empty?

    about 50ish km/2 hrs. When I'm on the bike I feel like I could go for much longer. Normally have half a bottle of water or hi 5 in that time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    lennymc wrote: »
    about 50ish km/2 hrs. When I'm on the bike I feel like I could go for much longer. Normally have half a bottle of water or hi 5 in that time.

    Ok I've done 75km and felt fine (not hungry until an hour after ride), was going to try 110km last sunday but it was all south into a headwind and chickened out! 3 eggs fried in butter did the job


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Slo_Rida


    Fasted training? WTF?
    So, I'm doing my second ever winters training (first one with anything resembling a plan) and thought I was up-to-date to some extent. And then someone comes out with this corker "fasted training".
    Lads, I am so careful not to go out without a decent meal before hand that I would pretty much scrifice a ride rather than do that.
    How often do you (should I) do these?
    Are they purely for weight loss or do they help your body get used to burning something different than normal stuff?
    Any other info would be good if you don't mind.
    Slo


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    Slo_Rida wrote: »
    Fasted training? WTF?
    So, I'm doing my second ever winters training (first one with anything resembling a plan) and thought I was up-to-date to some extent. And then someone comes out with this corker "fasted training".
    Lads, I am so careful not to go out without a decent meal before hand that I would pretty much scrifice a ride rather than do that.
    How often do you (should I) do these?
    Are they purely for weight loss or do they help your body get used to burning something different than normal stuff?
    Any other info would be good if you don't mind.
    Slo

    Other lads on here race, I don't. I like long distance audax type cycling.

    For fueling this and general health experiment I'm on a high fat diet. Other than fruit and veg I consume no carbs.

    I have no interest in weight loss.

    You can store about 2,500 calories in glycogen, even though I'm lean I probably have (at 10% body fat) circa 65,000 calories in body fat. I'm trying to adapt my body to access those calories as much as possible.

    In general life part time physical work or when I drive for long periods some days, running on fat is a gift. No need to snack on rubbish


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    Slo_Rida wrote: »
    Fasted training? WTF?

    Recently when not cycling I was going to the gym fasted on a weekend morning and it was fine but that was only for 30 mins. So I thought I'd give it a shot for cycling.

    I tried it because I don't like getting up early and I need a long time to digest food before exercising hard. Getting up fasted and jumping on the bike is nice because you're not trying to hold down a breakfast. And so far I have had less desire to sup on sugary drinks when fasted, for whatever reason. Like everything it needs repeating. Not sure I'd do it every time but so far it has been positive. My training rides are maximum 3.5 hours and I do stop for a coffee about 1/3 into the ride. I have yet to try it while training with someone faster than me, so maybe I am cycling within myself to compensate. Repeated tests will tell.

    I poo pooed the idea a while ago on here, but I was eating much more carbohydrate and invariably woke up ravenous every morning and didn't see how it would be possible for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭slideshow bob


    Slo_Rida wrote: »
    Fasted training?
    Have done morning runs (up to 1.5hrs) on empty for a long time as eating beforehand just made me ill.
    Slo_Rida wrote: »
    Lads, I am so careful not to go out without a decent meal before hand that I would pretty much scrifice a ride rather than do that.
    I was much the same as you when it came to bike rides. A long time ago I 'bonked' on the bike. When I started doing long spins a couple of years ago (having done none for a very long time) I would cram myself with food before getting going. But lately I've been doing the bike spins mostly without breakfast too. Don't think it'd work so well if I was in the red zone, but for moderate pace rides it's fine. The objective for me is to improve usage of fat-as-fuel. It's mentioned by ford2600 in this thread, and more extensively by petethedrummer elsewhere.

    Got onto this through seeing Tim Noakes do an about-turn on fuel for endurance. This remark is what swung it for me:
    I am also running faster than I have for 20 years

    I found several podcasts very interesting (search for "Tim Noakes" - PaleoRunner has a particularly good interview with him, as does BJSM).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,386 ✭✭✭lennymc


    there was an ultra marathon runner there the other night, who was used as an example. He ran a 24 hour marathon, covered 244 kms, and ate very little, and won the race. Something like a few pieces of fruit over the 24 hours.

    Edit - Eoin Keith was the utmb runner mentioned above.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    lennymc wrote: »
    there was an ultra marathon runner there the other night, who was used as an example. He ran a 24 hour marathon, covered 244 kms, and ate very little, and won the race. Something like a few pieces of fruit over the 24 hours.

    Edit - Eoin Keith was the utmb runner mentioned above.



    http://eoinkeith.wordpress.com/
    @Enduro here I think


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,902 ✭✭✭Enduro


    That me alright!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭ROK ON


    lennymc wrote: »
    i regularly do the fasted training, and find that water or water with hi-5 electrolyte stuff gets rid of that hunger feeling pretty quick, and once your actually moving you forget/don't feel hungry anymore. hth


    +1

    I have trained fasted for about two years now.
    At w/es if I get out on bike or turbo it has to be early. I started going out without food because I can't take eating at 6 or 7am.

    Usually do two hours on the road or 1hour in the turbo.
    Unless it is a pure social ride then ther are intervals thrown in. Short and HIIT or longer in Z4.

    I have not found the absence of a breakfast to be an issue at all - maybe it would be for longer rides with more intervals.

    Usually after these sessions I would tend to have a breakfast of eggs and coffee, with water and some fruit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Has anyone any experience of riding HARD > 2 hrs while fasted? Is it different on LCHF?

    I used to do easy spins in the evening while hungry after work but now I eat a small snack before hand, at least 50g carbs + some protein and ride a little harder.

    In my case, more net calories burned overall and more importantly a better training effect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,386 ✭✭✭lennymc


    Enduro wrote: »
    That me alright!

    that's some running! Fair play. :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    just to be clear to anyone reading....
    Short Answer(paraphrasing): If you have decided in advance to go fasted training you should do it. Training through the discomfort at the beginning will probably do you some good and the hunger will wear off when you get in to the ride.
    I am not sure I'd actually start off a training ride hungry. And I am not advising anyone to do it. That was just their answer. Whether I would do it would require some more reading by me on the subject, I don't like feeling hungry.
    Barry Murray (Short Answer - paraphrase): I was a subject in a UK equivalent of that trial. And you're just fooling your brain. Central governor etc...
    I'm not going to start spitting out my drink during a race and I don't advise anyone do this. I just wanted to know what they thought was going in the brain/body when you take a drink and you get a spurt.


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