Jukka Lampila, EFO no touch knockout guy put to the test.

Doug Cartel

I'm sure a lot of you have already seen this video which is doing the rounds, but here's what happened when a guy who teaches no-touch KOs agreed to allow some sceptics attend one of his seminars.

RoboRat

this is better, one of them fights a MMA fighter:

pablohoney87

How anyone still believes in this stuff is beyond me.

Mouthalmighty

Some of these guys have a David Caresh quality to them that lure silly/vulnerable people in with talk of this nonsense (then of course take bucketloads of their money). Almost a martial art themed scientology. Might get to meet Tom Cruise I suppose.

cowzerp

Weak minded people who fall for it and fall down by suggestion only-it's laughable at best.

dubdamo

I saw a similar one, bloke teaching "no touch knockouts". Local (it was in the states) tv news crew turn up to do a piece on him, they have him knock out his own students, had EMT's there who had the 'victims' hooked up to various monitors and it looked like it was having an actual physical affect on them. Some students from a local BJJ club showed up and volunteered to be victims. Strangely enough it had absolutely no affect on them, guy said that it doesn't work on athletes!!

Doug Cartel

dubdamo wrote: »

I saw a similar one, bloke teaching "no touch knockouts". Local (it was in the states) tv news crew turn up to do a piece on him, they have him knock out his own students, had EMT's there who had the 'victims' hooked up to various monitors and it looked like it was having an actual physical affect on them. Some students from a local BJJ club showed up and volunteered to be victims. Strangely enough it had absolutely no affect on them, guy said that it doesn't work on athletes!!

That's either George Dillman, or possibly Tom Cameron. I'd look up the videos and post them, but I'm on my phone.

_oveless_

The plus side for these no-touch guys is at least your kids are safe with them.

dubdamo

I'm not great at this copying links but I think this is it. You were right Doug it is Cameron, one of Dillmans students.

Doug Cartel

I'm not great at this copying links

Just stick the url between

Doug Cartel

_oveless_ wrote: »

The plus side for these no-touch guys is at least your kids are safe with them.

Not really http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hydrick#Present_day

Doug Cartel

Oh also, on the subject of Geroge Dilman. He's a bit of an interesting one. I don't think he's into no-touch as much as he does movie-style dim mak. He'll do demonstrations where he lightly taps one of his students in a few pressure points and causes them to drop like a sack of potatoes. So not completely paranormal, but definitely hard to believe.

The thing is though, if you are sceptical and ask him to do it on you, supposedly he'll do a few taps and then crack you hard in the jaw with a palm heel. Probably not going to knock you out, but it's going to hurt badly and leave you pretty phased - especially if you just expecting a tap. Then with a completely straight face, he'll pretend that he just used a tap and it was all down to qi energy.

Mattyz69

I actually trained for a bit under a Dillman affiliate over here, there wasnt anything about the EFO stuff but he has posted videos of it being done on the website.

The pressure points were at that stage something that i thought was good, but that might have been a result of a grown man 'tapping' a 15/16 year old.

Needless to say i am now training Jiu Jitsu and MMA, firstly because its more fun and secondly, God forbid something happens, i feel more confident in talking myself out of a bad situation because i know that the training i am doing in the above has helped..... me get fitter to run like F**K cause lets be honest a street fight aint something i want to be in.

i would rather go home safe than think i can take the attacker on!

Doug Cartel

Well, they've put up an official video of the seminar. I don't know, it looks a bit incomplete to me...

Peetrik

cowzerp wrote: »

only-it's laughable at best.

It's downright dangerous to the poor deluded fools who pay money for it IMO. It's easy to laugh at this as it's easy to spot but the 'arts' that are less obviously nonsense are the ones that pose the greatest risk.

Problem is, like religion, people will go to great lengths to ignore proof, especially if it highlights that they wasted their time and money. Much nicer to continue to believe they could hold their own against multiple attackers or someone with a knife.

shantolog

I think those techniques do work...As I was cringing in pain watching that video

Gumbi

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Oh also, on the subject of Geroge Dilman. He's a bit of an interesting one. I don't think he's into no-touch as much as he does movie-style dim mak. He'll do demonstrations where he lightly taps one of his students in a few pressure points and causes them to drop like a sack of potatoes. So not completely paranormal, but definitely hard to believe.

The thing is though, if you are sceptical and ask him to do it on you, supposedly he'll do a few taps and then crack you hard in the jaw with a palm heel. Probably not going to knock you out, but it's going to hurt badly and leave you pretty phased - especially if you just expecting a tap. Then with a completely straight face, he'll pretend that he just used a tap and it was all down to qi energy.

After watching the EFO gys this week, I watched a lot of Dillman's videos/. He's very good at improvising. If he's demonstrating it on someone who is skeptical, he might make fun of him in front of everyone "let's try it on the guy it didn't work on". Then when demonstrating on the guy, the KO demonstration subtly turns merely into a demonstration of technique instead of a KO.

AS you were saying, he'll touch three points, then he takes his knuckle and drives it into the guys face (by his nose) which of course is sore and the guys head moves back "you see his head move back there". And so it goes on...

That TV piece they did on him was hilarious. I saw an edited clip which continually played the "I can do this to the biggest guy you can find, and I've done this (wtf), and put him to sleep with this finger" and "the skeptic was a totally non, non-believin (yes he said that), he moved this toe up and it nullifies it" continually, it was very funny. It was also clear he was making up that stuff as he was going along.

Mouthalmighty

Oh sweet Jesus!! Just watched the vids. It is like a cult!! Kinda hilarious in a weird way. The lad baldy (really too much Star Wars for that guy) has magic powers. Imagine tryin this on some dude tryin to relieve you of your possessions/ life with a blade and you pull that crap off. Those poor people would be better going down to local running track and getting faster at running! <Knock you out with the force>

shutup

Hi guys looking for some info in what happened next after the most famous kiai master vs mma fighter video. (You all know the one where the old guy gets kicked in the face)
Did he just keep going on as normal as if his chi force stuff still worked? Did his student leave him or continue jumping on the group and fainting?
Thanks

Doug Cartel

shutup wrote: »

Hi guys looking for some info in what happened next after the most famous kiai master vs mma fighter video. (You all know the one where the old guy gets kicked in the face)
Did he just keep going on as normal as if his chi force stuff still worked? Did his student leave him or continue jumping on the group and fainting?
Thanks

As far as I remember he just went on as normal. I haven't looked it up in ages though and I would also be interested to know the details.