Keane & Viera: The Best of Enemies - Dec 18 RTE 2

Patty O Furniture

For anyone who missed the show last nite, like myself its repeated again:


Keane and Vieira: The Best of Enemies (Documentary)

Time - 21:55 to 23:05 (1 hour and 10 minutes long).
When - Wednesday 18th December on RTÉ Two HD


A fascinating study of one of football's most infamous personality clashes between former midfield enforcers Roy Keane of Manchester United and Arsenal's Patrick Vieira. In this special film, the two men come together to try to explain their toxic relationship. They speak candidly about just why they hated each other and express their views on their respective managers, Sir Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger.

freevoice

That was one of the best shows I seen all year , recommend it highly

lukin

Yawn. Haven't we heard enough about our former illustrious captain? He was in the news enough after his appointment as assistant manager and just when it died down we get this. Thanks a lot ITV. Give it a rest for God's sake (and I am a football fan by the way).

evilivor

Repeated tonight, 10.30 on ITV4.

bootybouncer

I reckon Keane is fairly windy tbh

RayM

I thought it was great - and I don't even like football. Intentionally or not, Roy Keane is hilarious.

Spring Onion

Great show, really enjoyed it. Keane is a fascinating character.

SHOVELLER

What an ego.

"I set out to hurt players but not injure them". Forgetting the fact that that doesnt make sense but didnt he admit to deliberately injuring Haaland in his book?

Comes across as bitter.

He wont last as assistant manager.

take everything

SHOVELLER wrote: »

What an ego.

"I set out to hurt players but not injure them". Forgetting the fact that that doesnt make sense but didnt he admit to deliberately injuring Haaland in his book?
.

For this alone, this marks him out as a nasty psychopath in my book.
Very flawed man.

bmcc10

Keanes seriously bitter just look at team he picked all players who fell out with Ferguson gotta question Irelands assistant managers judgement on players not picking Scholes.

bmcc10

Keanes seriously bitter just look at team he picked all players who fell out with Ferguson gotta question Irelands assistant managers judgement on players not picking Scholes.

lertsnim

Great show. I realluy enjoyed it.

santana75

SHOVELLER wrote: »

What an ego.

"I set out to hurt players but not injure them". Forgetting the fact that that doesnt make sense but didnt he admit to deliberately injuring Haaland in his book?

Comes across as bitter.

He wont last as assistant manager.

take everything wrote: »

For this alone, this marks him out as a nasty psychopath in my book.
Very flawed man.

He's not a psychopath, thats being overly dramatic. We're all flawed and Roy Keane is the first person to admit his own mistakes and shortcomings in life. He strikes me as somebody whos growing and learning all the time. This attitude of name calling, he's bitter, he's a psycho........that says more about the people making those comments than it does about Roy Keane.

CountyHurler

This is an excellent documentary.. I've always wondered why TV stations dont do more interviews with famous retired sports people, cos it's absolutely captivating to hear their recollections of the big occasions. I saw this show a few months ago, with Steve Collins, and wondered the same thing. If you think Keane is aggressive, wait til you see Steve Collins!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1cLwJgLQmA

The Keane/Vieira documentary is also captivating, but I got a version online with the ads removed out, and even with that there was quite a bit of filler. I'm not sure how many times they played and replayed them walking in to the room. BUT the good bits of the show are very good indeed.

With regard to Vieira's "least proud" moment, I thought they should have shown the incident with Ruddock. I couldnt remember it exactly and had to youtube it after.

SHOVELLER

santana75 wrote: »

He's not a psychopath, thats being overly dramatic. We're all flawed and Roy Keane is the first person to admit his own mistakes and shortcomings in life. He strikes me as somebody whos growing and learning all the time. This attitude of name calling, he's bitter, he's a psycho........that says more about the people making those comments than it does about Roy Keane.

The evidence proves he is bitter. He was probably the most high profile ex player who didnt turn up for Ferguson's statue presentation. He has consistently made comments about Ferguson's management style.

He needs to move on. He had a wonderful career at club level but the constant sniping is getting old.

adamski8

I really enjoyed it. Was good to see the two face to face, thought it might be cringy but it wasnt.
Im not keanes biggest fan by any means but if people think that ferguson got to where his is without being ruthless and controlling and that is just a jolly old man they are dreaming

CountyHurler

adamski8 wrote: »

ferguson got to where his is without being ruthless and controlling and that is just a jolly old man they are dreaming

I doubt that that's something he's regularly accused of being...

With regard to Keane being bitter, he certainly does come across as bitter with regard to Ferguson and Alfe Inge Haaland.. And I think he lets himself down with the petty, childish remarks about Ferguson. However, I dont think Keane gets the appreciation for what he's achieved in the game.. And I'm saying that as a Liverpool fan..

Jimmy Iovine

bmcc10 wrote: »

gotta question Irelands assistant managers judgement on players not picking Scholes.

I think he wanted to put Schools ahead of himself but the producers were having none of it.

lertsnim

bmcc10 wrote: »

Keanes seriously bitter just look at team he picked all players who fell out with Ferguson gotta question Irelands assistant managers judgement on players not picking Scholes.

Did you even watch it or just read about it in the newspaper?

seachto7

I liked Keane sticking it to Fergie. Fergie's book is childish and he had a cut off the likes of Beckham just for the sake of it but nothing about giggs. Nobody here knows Keane so are not qualified to comment on what he is really like.

bassy

Anyone who enjoyed this lol.
Yawn same old crap we all knew about beforeeeeee.
Love the way the mentioned it on rte news,some folk will never grasp the crack with keane and attention seeking.

Well done sir Alex on stinging the ego from cork,he will never get over it

And as I've replied to this thread I am straight off to unsubscribe as there's a certain minority who will disagree and can't see between the sheets.

Skid X

Bump for this, seeing as its on tonight.

I haven't seen it yet, looking forward to it.

lukin

I thought Keane had a bit of nerve having a pop at Viera for surrounding Van Nistelrooy after he missed that penalty considering he once tried to finish another player's career himself (Haaland).

lertsnim

bassy wrote: »

Anyone who enjoyed this lol.
Yawn same old crap we all knew about beforeeeeee.
Love the way the mentioned it on rte news,some folk will never grasp the crack with keane and attention seeking.

Well done sir Alex on stinging the ego from cork,he will never get over it

And as I've replied to this thread I am straight off to unsubscribe as there's a certain minority who will disagree and can't see between the sheets.

Can't all be as all knowing as you are. Must be great.

Red Pepper

lukin wrote: »

I thought Keane had a bit of nerve having a pop at Viera for surrounding Van Nistelrooy after he missed that penalty considering he once tried to finish another player's career himself (Haaland).

At the time of the Keane's tackle, Håland's left knee was giving him sufficient problems for him to have to play with strapping around it. After the tackle, Håland finished the match and played a midweek friendly for Norway coming off at half-time, and the next league game, coming off in the 68th minute. That summer, he underwent surgery on his left knee, but only managed a further 4 substitute appearances the following season

Following the release of Keane's autobiography in 2002, Håland and Manchester City stated that they intended to take legal action against Keane. However, it emerged that Håland had already admitted on his personal website that he had been playing with the injury to his left knee a few months, that it did not receive a knock in the game, and that Keane did not cause his injury. Legal action was dropped in February 2003 after the club reviewed the medical advice

CountyHurler

bassy wrote: »

Anyone who enjoyed this lol.
Yawn same old crap we all knew about beforeeeeee.

Can I just apologise on behalf of the rest of the plebs here who enjoyed the show. At least now having put us all back in our place you can go back to speed reading your copy of Ulysses.

Skid X

I liked the Continuity Announcer's intro -"whatever you do, make sure you have your phone on silent ..."

Da Shins Kelly

It's an interesting documentary. I think Ferguson deserves the stick he got. He made no bones about sticking the knife in in his book, not just to Keane, but to other players too. The man's a control freak. But ultimately, it seems like it was probably a clash of personalities - two intense people in a power struggle.

Thought Viera came off quite well in the show. He seems to have let go of any bad feelings he may have had towards Keane or anyone else. However, it seems like the management in Arsenal seemed to suit Viera more. He mentions that Wenger is happy to give the players freedom to make their own decisions, which is not something I could imagine Ferguson doing. Keane was the leader on the pitch on behalf of Ferguson, ultimately, whereas it seems that Viera was allowed a lot more rein to go and act as team leader on his own terms.

It seems like a healthy competition between the both of them anyway. Enjoyed the show.

bidiots

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

It's an interesting documentary. I think Ferguson deserves the stick he got. He made no bones about sticking the knife in in his book, not just to Keane, but to other players too. The man's a control freak. But ultimately, it seems like it was probably a clash of personalities - two intense people in a power struggle.

Thought Viera came off quite well in the show. He seems to have let go of any bad feelings he may have had towards Keane or anyone else. However, it seems like the management in Arsenal seemed to suit Viera more. He mentions that Wenger is happy to give the players freedom to make their own decisions, which is not something I could imagine Ferguson doing. Keane was the leader on the pitch on behalf of Ferguson, ultimately, whereas it seems that Viera was allowed a lot more rein to go and act as team leader on his own terms.

It seems like a healthy competition between the both of them anyway. Enjoyed the show.

Think it would be interesting to view the team they picked at the end V the rest. Two strong line ups

Laois_Man

Reasonably enjoyable show but doesn't deserve the ridiculous hype

Viera and Wegner, although not flawless, are certainly more likable than Keane and Ferguson - and a lot less interesting.

lukin

Red Pepper wrote: »

At the time of the Keane's tackle, Håland's left knee was giving him sufficient problems for him to have to play with strapping around it. After the tackle, Håland finished the match and played a midweek friendly for Norway coming off at half-time, and the next league game, coming off in the 68th minute. That summer, he underwent surgery on his left knee, but only managed a further 4 substitute appearances the following season

Following the release of Keane's autobiography in 2002, Håland and Manchester City stated that they intended to take legal action against Keane. However, it emerged that Håland had already admitted on his personal website that he had been playing with the injury to his left knee a few months, that it did not receive a knock in the game, and that Keane did not cause his injury. Legal action was dropped in February 2003 after the club reviewed the medical advice

OK I accept Keane's "tackle" didn't finish Haaland's career but it certainly wasn't for lack of trying. The intent was certainly there.

An Riabhach

Handbags,handbags,handbags.....between two hot-headed massive egos trying to score points against each other.

Let Edgar Davids loose on both of them and then there'd be somethin worth talkin about.

Patty O Furniture

I liked the show, they may have hated each other, but still had respect for each other's abilities as that's what kept them going.

Time's a healer they say, but when Keane was asked on Fergie's weakness was Loyalty, looks like some wounds never heal!

JP Liz V1

I think Viera is still afraid of Keane