South Wexford Line "Railtour"?

cbl593h

http://www.railtoursireland.com/2014_RailroursIreland_Brochure.pdf

See page 4. €3,500.......

Looks rather like a tag on to a RPSI tour.

It's believed that IÉ are yet to sanction the operation of the trip.

corktina

That's a bit bizarre! (and where is Dublin Rail Terminal?)

Hilly Bill

Thats a hefty price.

corktina

but it includes rather more than sandwiches.(wash my mouth out)

Hungerford

Cynical - Iarnrod Eireann won't allow the RPSI etc. to run tours over the line but they are willing to reopen it for 50 well-heeled trainspotters.

CaptainFreedom

If they sell a reasonable amount of tickets it 'could' go ahead. But it is well known how quick IE can change their minds....

relaxed

Expect bus transfers that day!

gobnaitolunacy

corktina wrote: »

but it includes rather more than sandwiches.(wash my mouth out)

Coq Au (genny) Van?


For 3500 big ones I'd expect 800 to be dusted off and to be at the head of it, no less and they can keep the 0.01c change.

gobnaitolunacy

corktina wrote: »

That's a bit bizarre! (and where is Dublin Rail Terminal?)

I'm assuming it's one of the main 'Train Stations' (sic.)

Hilly Bill

relaxed wrote: »

Expect bus transfers that day!

Of course there will be bus transfers, thats how they get to the hotels.

The_Wanderer

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Of course there will be bus transfers, thats how they get to the hotels.

Brilliant

It be great to see it happening. Lets just wait and see.

end of the road

i can bet their will be no run over the south wexford, irish rail will never let it happen, they got to run it into the ground and will make sure nobody else can make use of it

The_Wanderer

Let history be the decider in that statement shall we?

RI are hardly going to advertise a tour covering a section of "mothballed" track if IE haven't granted permission for it.

Judgement Day

This operation will not happen and. if it does, questions will have to be answered. The email from IE refers to a request that I put in to run a special. Now back to my self-imposed exile. Happy Christmas.

corktina

I miss you even if no one else does. Happy Christmas JD

Losty Dublin

Judgement Day wrote: »

This operation will not happen and. if it does, questions will have to be answered. The email from IE refers to a request that I put in to run a special. Now back to my self-imposed exile. Happy Christmas.

I'm not saying it will happen either (And I doubt if it will, either) but to call spades spades, Railtour Ireland are Irish Rails biggest customers and dare I say it, they'd have a bit more sway than JD Tours would :pac:

It's a valid point about the level crossings though. Would they have to stop the train at each LC to allow the train crew to open and close the gates?

The_Wanderer

When your biggest customer asks for something you usually don't say no.

There is a lot of i's to be dotted and t's to be crossed yet but the tour is 9 months away. Plenty of time to get everything sorted. Which brings me back to my first point. Railtours Ireland are hardly going to advertise a tour, unless it has been agreed with IE in advance. South Wexford included.

So on Monday 29th September I know where I plan to be.

A bit of positivity around here wouldn't be amiss at times.

When the Weedspray operated over the route earlier in the year, PWD Staff were deployed to most of the Level Crossings.

The Wanderer.

end of the road

the line should be still running, but it was left to rot, then the dublin transport authority sided with IE against the users of the line causing a diss-improvement in transport in south wexford, the line was faster then the bus could ever be, oh well

GTE

Where about is the line? Followed the old Harcourt Street line on Google Maps yesterday, need a sequel! :P

end of the road

bbk wrote: »

Where about is the line? Followed the old Harcourt Street line on Google Maps yesterday, need a sequel!

rosslare strand, abby junction, bridgetown, wellington bridge, ballycalan, campile waterford, happy hunting

Losty Dublin

bbk wrote: »

Where about is the line? Followed the old Harcourt Street line on Google Maps yesterday, need a sequel! :P

It runs from Waterford station and follows the River Suir for a few miles before it swings slightly north, crossing the 1KM long Barrow Bridge just north of it's meeting point with the River Suir. From there it runs eastwards towards the sprawling urban centres of Wellingtonbridge and Campile before joining the main Rosslare Europort line at Rosslare village station.

The_Wanderer

end of the road wrote: »

the line should be still running, but it was left to rot, then the dublin transport authority sided with IE against the users of the line causing a diss-improvement in transport in south wexford, the line was faster then the bus could ever be, oh well

The line lost the purpose it was built for, to transport ferry foot passengers from Rosslare to Limerick, Cork and Kerry. You can thank "low cost" air travel for that. The final nail in the coffin was the government pulling the plug on the sugar factories. Once that happened, it was only a matter of time before closure came. Like it or not that part of Wexford does not have the population density to support such a service.

end of the road

The_Wanderer wrote: »

The line lost the purpose it was built for, to transport ferry foot passengers from Rosslare to Limerick, Cork and Kerry. You can thank "low cost" air travel for that. The final nail in the coffin was the government pulling the plug on the sugar factories. Once that happened, it was only a matter of time before closure came. Like it or not that part of Wexford does not have the population density to support such a service.

not being run as a branch, but as part of a strategically important cross country link terminating in wexford instead of rosslare (had the junction not been vandelized) and being more direct then the road it could have worked, the fact it ran for years after the beat stopped proves it to me their was a lot more to this closure then "population densities" lifting train will be along in a few years anyway and the lot will go back to the earth so no point in worrying about it

The_Wanderer

end of the road wrote: »

not being run as a branch, but as part of a strategically important cross country link and being more direct then the road it could have worked, the fact it ran for years after the beat stopped proves it to me their was a lot more to this closure then "population densities" lifting train will be along in a few years anyway and the lot will go back to the earth so no point in worrying about it

"strategically important cross country link" to where? The green fields of Wexford? I would regard Waterford - Limerick - Galway as a far more strategically important cross country link. But I will agree with you on one thing. Far more direct than the road.

end of the road

The_Wanderer wrote: »

"strategically important cross country link" to where? The green fields of Wexford?

wexford is a good town with lots of potential, theirs also south wicklow, investment would give an alternative to going whereever then having to go and wait around dublin.

The_Wanderer wrote: »

I would regard Waterford - Limerick - Galway as a far more strategically important cross country link.

its all a very important link that has been left to rot or in the case of limerick galway reopened as a slow windey route.

The_Wanderer wrote: »

I will agree with you on one thing. Far more direct than the road.

which is where it could have came into its own if directed toards wexford it was advertised properly and not let to rot, but its all to late now

GTE

Losty Dublin wrote: »

It runs from Waterford station and follows the River Suir for a few miles before it swings slightly north, crossing the 1KM long Barrow Bridge just north of it's meeting point with the River Suir. From there it runs eastwards towards the sprawling urban centres of Wellingtonbridge and Campile before joining the main Rosslare Europort line at Rosslare village station.

A short tunnel before that bridge?

Losty Dublin

bbk wrote: »

A short tunnel before that bridge?

At Snow Hill, yes.

Years ago there was a proposal to build a road bridge over the railway bridge. Just as well it didn't proceed; the nonces behind this didn't allow for the swing span on the railway bridge

Judgement Day

Losty Dublin wrote: »

I'm not saying it will happen either (And I doubt if it will, either) but to call spades spades, Railtour Ireland are Irish Rails biggest customers and dare I say it, they'd have a bit more sway than JD Tours would :pac:

JD Tours operated railtours long before Railtours Ireland ever saw the light of day and if it's possible for special trains to operate over the line no favouritism should be shown. Positively my last contribution on any matter on the C+T forum.

corktina

The_Wanderer wrote: »

"strategically important cross country link" to where? The green fields of Wexford? I would regard Waterford - Limerick - Galway as a far more strategically important cross country link. But I will agree with you on one thing. Far more direct than the road.

but surely it is part of that same link....Galway to Rosslare and the Ferry. Services to the ferry having been deliberately sabotaged.

Copyerselveson

corktina wrote: »

but surely it is part of that same link....Galway to Rosslare and the Ferry. Services to the ferry having been deliberately sabotaged.

Never thought I'd say this...I agree with Corktina (must be Christmas!).

The line was never built to serve Campile and Wellington Bridge, it was built to carry boat passengers from Rosslare to Waterford and on to Limerick and the West.

I could never understand why IÉ would run the train only to Waterford and then impose a long wait before the next train to Limerick. The cynical side of me might think it was to dampen demand so the claim could be made that since the service was lightly used a closure would be inevitable.

I would run the train from Rosslare straight to Galway and time trains to make connections with all ferries.

Losty Dublin

Copyerselveson wrote: »

Never thought I'd say this...I agree with Corktina (must be Christmas!).

The line was never built to serve Campile and Wellington Bridge, it was built to carry boat passengers from Rosslare to Waterford and on to Limerick and the West.

The railway line wasn't built to carry boat passengers; it was built to get Royal Mail contracts to carry mail from England to the US that bit quicker than via Southampton. Most of what passenger trade it got tended to be out of Ireland and not other other way around.

corktina

I would too, except I think that the Patient is already dead , (in parts, and very poorly elsewhere)

corktina

Losty Dublin wrote: »

The railway line wasn't built to carry boat passengers; it was built to get Royal Mail contracts to carry mail from England to the US that bit quicker than via Southampton. Most of what passenger trade it got tended to be out of Ireland and not other other way around.

Not quite true as there was quite a flow of pasengers on the same basis as the Royal Mail...quicker journey time overall than via Soton

bob425

The line is dead , it died in September 2010 and it aint coming back.

Losty Dublin

corktina wrote: »

Not quite true as there was quite a flow of pasengers on the same basis as the Royal Mail...quicker journey time overall than via Soton

Emigration did more to add passengers to the boats than the Wexford lines, let's be honest.

gobnaitolunacy

corktina wrote: »

Not quite true as there was quite a flow of pasengers on the same basis as the Royal Mail...quicker journey time overall than via Soton

As well as Irish produce for London markets.

steamengine

Judgement Day wrote: »

.............Positively my last contribution on any matter on the C+T forum.

And mine too - Happy Christmas to you JD !

end of the road

bob425 wrote: »

The line is dead , it died in September 2010 and it aint coming back.

your right, lifting train will be along in a few years to rip it up along with limerick ballybroaphy via nenagh, and the still could be saved limerick waterford line

Sligo Quay

Judgement Day wrote: »

JD Tours operated railtours long before Railtours Ireland ever saw the light of day and if it's possible for special trains to operate over the line no favouritism should be shown. Positively my last contribution on any matter on the C+T forum.

I'II second that, by far the best railtours I ever traveled on, I call them '''the legendary railtours'' JD, whats all this about last contributions, don't be giving me that aul guff, stick around, favouritism is cronyism, we know all about that, thats what happen with the ITG, ran great railtours, but found themselves outside the golden circle, thats what Ireland is all about, golden circles, cronyism and whatever your having yourself.

Jamie2k9

bob425 wrote: »

The line is dead , it died in September 2010 and it aint coming back.

It's dead but was closed for political reasons as if it was a case of the biggest loss making line to close it wouldn't of being closed.

The_Signalman

cbl593h wrote: »

http://www.railtoursireland.com/2014_RailroursIreland_Brochure.pdf

See page 4. €3,500.......

Looks rather like a tag on to a RPSI tour.

It's believed that IÉ are yet to sanction the operation of the trip.

You would buy the train for that price. :P

cbl593h

https://www.facebook.com/groups/367387502018/10151802514817019/?notif_t=group_comment_reply

The comment about JD being locked in a room with them is the only reality in what they're on about, he'd knock 'em into shape.............:D

Losty Dublin

cbl593h wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/groups/367387502018/10151802514817019/?notif_t=group_comment_reply

The comment about JD being locked in a room with them is the only reality in what they're on about, he'd knock 'em into shape.............:D

Looks like a few people over dosed on the Christmas sweeties by the looks of that thread

cbl593h

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Looks like a few people over dosed on the Christmas sweeties by the looks of that thread

Think next years letter to santy will go "Dear santy, please can you bring me a clue. Because I haven't got one at present".............

corktina

interesting comment about the ITG in Carrick having disappeared...that is indeed my experience, all I got from them was a "silence" order (which I ignored) and xmas greetings. AFAIK Carrick is non-operational now

end of the road

delusianelests they may be but i suppose at least their trying to come up with ideas even if they don't have a hope, i'm sure when the preservation movement started in the UK for example people thought of those behind it as delusianelests and look where they are now, mind you i'm not suggesting ireland will ever be like the UK in relation to preservation but people if they can should advise rather then criticize

corktina

the difference being the Internet. Dead easy to sit at keyboard, very few people in Ireland willing to get up and DO something

end of the road

corktina wrote: »

the difference being the Internet. Dead easy to sit at keyboard, very few people in Ireland willing to get up and DO something

very true corky, thats the sad reality of it

Judgement Day

http://www.irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/3589-Emerald-isle-express

Fred Swanson

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