Matchplay

Poker Face

Game goes to extra holes and it gets too dark to play on after say 20 holes.

When you come back to finish another day do you have to continue with the sudden death on the 21st hole or can the players decide to start again and play 18 holes.

I believe they have to continue where they left off and start on the 21st hole but I cant find anything in the rules book about this scenario

Magic Pips

Poker Face wrote: »

Game goes to extra holes and it gets too dark to play on after say 20 holes.

When you come back to finish another day do you have to continue with the sudden death on the 21st hole or can the players decide to start again and play 18 holes.

I believe they have to continue where they left off and start on the 21st hole but I cant find anything in the rules book about this scenario

Isnt this generally governed by the local competition rules? Players shouldnt have to 'decide' anything?

thoscon

Happened us in doubles matchplay this year we ran out of light after 20 holes.we agreed between ourselves to play the 18 holes the next day

GreeBo

thoscon wrote: »

Happened us in doubles matchplay this year we ran out of light after 20 holes.we agreed between ourselves to play the 18 holes the next day

Pretty sure thats a DQ
players dont get to decide how to decide a match, comp committee does!

thoscon

GreeBo wrote: »

Pretty sure thats a DQ
players dont get to decide how to decide a match, comp committee does!

We agreed we would play the 18 again instead of coming back to play the extra holes the next day..I ran it by my fellow committee members before we left the course..the rest of the committee were happy to go with what we had agreed

GreeBo

thoscon wrote: »

We agreed we would play the 18 again instead of coming back to play the extra holes the next day..I ran it by my fellow committee members before we left the course..the rest of the committee were happy to go with what we had agreed

The problem is though, as I understand it, players cannot agree to a format to decide a match. It has to be the format that the committee stipulated.
i.e. strokeplay with sudden death if no winner after 18 holes.
Some matches might be you play another 18 holes if its a tie, but since you were on hole 20, this clearly wasnt the case.

If the rules are extra holes then they are the rules imo...

Neil Andblomee

In my experience it's best to find out the actual rules, before one casts judgement.

thoscon

GreeBo wrote: »

The problem is though, as I understand it, players cannot agree to a format to decide a match. It has to be the format that the committee stipulated.
i.e. strokeplay with sudden death if no winner after 18 holes.
Some matches might be you play another 18 holes if its a tie, but since you were on hole 20, this clearly wasnt the case.

If the rules are extra holes then they are the rules imo...

For the comp it was strokeplay with sudden death if level after 18 holes.before this year we never had a problem with the matches running out of light & it happened 3 or 4 times this year so we as a committee decided that they could have the option of playing 18 again

GreeBo

Neil Andblomee wrote: »

In my experience it's best to find out the actual rules, before one casts judgement.

Well I cant see what rule the players made the decision under.

Committee cannot change the rules after the comp has started. (33-1/1)
Players cannot decide to change the rules themselves (1-3 and 33-1)

All the players can decide/agree amongst themselves is how/who should concede the match.
You cant play a match in a different format than how the comp was designed though.

GreeBo

thoscon wrote: »

For the comp it was strokeplay with sudden death if level after 18 holes.before this year we never had a problem with the matches running out of light & it happened 3 or 4 times this year so we as a committee decided that they could have the option of playing 18 again

But you didnt play 18 again, you played extra holes....

thoscon

GreeBo wrote: »

But you didnt play 18 again, you played extra holes....

We played the extra holes ran out of light then came back and played the 18 the next day.we gave them the option of playing 18 again if they ran out of light

ShriekingSheet

From the Decisions book. Extra holes or holes remaining makes no odds. Should have resumed at the point of darkness, but no DQ for starting from 1 again.

Q
A match which was all square after 16 holes was discontinued by agreement due to darkness. The match should have been resumed at the 17th hole. However, the players, thinking it was in accordance with the Rules, replayed the match starting at the 1st tee. The result was posted. At that point the Committee became aware of the improper procedure. What is the ruling?

A
The result of the match as replayed should stand. The players were not subject to disqualification under Rule 1-3 because they were unaware that their procedure was contrary to the Rules.

GreeBo

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

From the Decisions book. Extra holes or holes remaining makes no odds. Should have resumed at the point of darkness, but no DQ for starting from 1 again.

Q
A match which was all square after 16 holes was discontinued by agreement due to darkness. The match should have been resumed at the 17th hole. However, the players, thinking it was in accordance with the Rules, replayed the match starting at the 1st tee. The result was posted. At that point the Committee became aware of the improper procedure. What is the ruling?

A
The result of the match as replayed should stand. The players were not subject to disqualification under Rule 1-3 because they were unaware that their procedure was contrary to the Rules.

Interesting that they were not DQ only because they did not know they were proceeding incorrectly!
I think it would be tough to argue that a comp committee member wasnt aware of the rules of their own comp, however in this case it seems like it was within the rules as players were given the option.

What decision number is this, I knew I had seen it, but couldnt find it again?

@thoscon
I'd have asssumed it was an either/or thing though, not that you can play some extra holes and then decide to go back and play another 18, wouldnt that be giving someone a huge advantage if they were under a tree for example?

ShriekingSheet

GreeBo wrote: »

Interesting that they were not DQ only because they did not know they were proceeding incorrectly!
I think it would be tough to argue that a comp committee member wasnt aware of the rules of their own comp, however in this case it seems like it was within the rules as players were given the option.

What decision number is this, I knew I had seen it, but couldnt find it again?

@thoscon
I'd have asssumed it was an either/or thing though, not that you can play some extra holes and then decide to go back and play another 18, wouldnt that be giving someone a huge advantage if they were under a tree for example?

2-1/6

thoscon

GreeBo wrote: »

Interesting that they were not DQ only because they did not know they were proceeding incorrectly!
I think it would be tough to argue that a comp committee member wasnt aware of the rules of their own comp, however in this case it seems like it was within the rules as players were given the option.

I was aware of the rules we played the extra holes as per the rules .we agreed we would play the 18 again subject to committee approval .as we hadnt had this happen before regarding running out of light we decided going forward that if a match ran out of light subject to both parties agreeing they had option of playing 18 again or playing from where the match finished last time
@thoscon
I'd have asssumed it was an either/or thing though, not that you can play some extra holes and then decide to go back and play another 18, wouldnt that be giving someone a huge advantage if they were under a tree for example?

We tried to get it finished in extra holes but we just hadn't light..I told our opponents that once we started a hole we finished it out to avoid any circumstances arise like under the tree..we gauged it on the tee box and once we got to the green on the 20th hole we decided that it would be our last hole

GreeBo

thoscon wrote: »

We tried to get it finished in extra holes but we just hadn't light..I told our opponents that once we started a hole we finished it out to avoid any circumstances arise like under the tree..we gauged it on the tee box and once we got to the green on the 20th hole we decided that it would be our last hole

Yeah I've no issue with stopping for light and then coming back, just have always come back and continued on...typically from the 19th.

Russman

GreeBo wrote: »

Interesting that they were not DQ only because they did not know they were proceeding incorrectly!
I think it would be tough to argue that a comp committee member wasnt aware of the rules of their own comp, however in this case it seems like it was within the rules as players were given the option.

What decision number is this, I knew I had seen it, but couldnt find it again?

@thoscon
I'd have asssumed it was an either/or thing though, not that you can play some extra holes and then decide to go back and play another 18, wouldnt that be giving someone a huge advantage if they were under a tree for example?

Slightly OT, but that'd be the easiest thing in the world to argue in my club !! :D
(and I'd suggest in a lot of others)

slingerz

I have a match coming up next week and my opponent wants to play on Saturday evening at 5 after he plays in a singles comp at 1!

No i reckon he would have an advantage as to having known the course but i feel that he will suffer from tiredness for our match even some stiffness as I know myself i wouldnt be able for another 18 after finishing a round already.

The match would be off the back tees as well so the course would be playing longer than the competition he will have just completed.

I reckon if i agree to this time and get there early and play a few holes to warm up then i would have the feel of the greens and have a warm up done for myself putting me at an advantage over his tiredness.

What are peoples thoughts here?

Russman

slingerz wrote: »

I have a match coming up next week and my opponent wants to play on Saturday evening at 5 after he plays in a singles comp at 1!

No i reckon he would have an advantage as to having known the course but i feel that he will suffer from tiredness for our match even some stiffness as I know myself i wouldnt be able for another 18 after finishing a round already.

The match would be off the back tees as well so the course would be playing longer than the competition he will have just completed.

I reckon if i agree to this time and get there early and play a few holes to warm up then i would have the feel of the greens and have a warm up done for myself putting me at an advantage over his tiredness.

What are peoples thoughts here?

Are ye both members of the course you'll be playing on ?
If you are, then I think you might be reading a little too much into it to be honest. You both know the course, the fact he's played earlier may or may not help him, if you get there early and play one or two holes before the match I'd fancy your chances over his IMO.

bustercherry

slingerz wrote: »

I have a match coming up next week and my opponent wants to play on Saturday evening at 5 after he plays in a singles comp at 1!

No i reckon he would have an advantage as to having known the course but i feel that he will suffer from tiredness for our match even some stiffness as I know myself i wouldnt be able for another 18 after finishing a round already.

The match would be off the back tees as well so the course would be playing longer than the competition he will have just completed.

I reckon if i agree to this time and get there early and play a few holes to warm up then i would have the feel of the greens and have a warm up done for myself putting me at an advantage over his tiredness.

What are peoples thoughts here?

Depends on his fitness but he'd be playing 36 holes straight? If so I'd be all over it.

BoardsMember

thoscon wrote: »

Happened us in doubles matchplay

What's that?

slingerz

bustercherry wrote: »

Depends on his fitness but he'd be playing 36 holes straight? If so I'd be all over it.

Ya we're both the right side of 30 he'd be mid to late 20's and i'm late late 20's but he'd be fit enough alright. Still reckon 36 holes straight would take it out of ya though.

I was thinking it was beneficial to me alright

GreeBo

It can go either way, he might have a shocker in his earlier 18 and then play great against you, impossible to know.

Tiredness might not kick in if its all over after 12 holes...

Personally Id be more concerned about light, you might have a course full of fourballs in front of you?

denishurley

I wouldn't have thought that he'd be allowed to play two competitions on the same day on the same course? Or does the fact that it's off different tees make it a different course?

Edit: Just checked rules, hadn't realised that practice on the course was allowed before a matchplay competition

slingerz

GreeBo wrote: »

It can go either way, he might have a shocker in his earlier 18 and then play great against you, impossible to know.

Tiredness might not kick in if its all over after 12 holes...

Personally Id be more concerned about light, you might have a course full of fourballs in front of you?

Very true but i dont think it'd be over by 12 holes either (i hope for me anyway he can be done by 12 no bother)

As for light that would be a concern but the timesheet is generally lighter on a saturday afternoon

denishurley wrote: »

I wouldn't have thought that he'd be allowed to play two competitions on the same day on the same course? Or does the fact that it's off different tees make it a different course?

Edit: Just checked rules, hadn't realised that practice on the course was allowed before a matchplay competition

I was thinking i'd play a few practice holes before waiting for him to get in so i'd have some loosening up done and be ready to go then

Seve OB

if he is playing at 1... 4 hour round gets him in at 5. no time for turnaround, straight back to the 1st to play you at 5.

make sure you are on the tee at 4:55. if he is not there at 5:01, walk off and claim the victory as your opponent did not show up

Sean_pop

slingerz wrote: »

I have a match coming up next week and my opponent wants to play on Saturday evening at 5 after he plays in a singles comp at 1!

No i reckon he would have an advantage as to having known the course but i feel that he will suffer from tiredness for our match even some stiffness as I know myself i wouldnt be able for another 18 after finishing a round already.

The match would be off the back tees as well so the course would be playing longer than the competition he will have just completed.

I reckon if i agree to this time and get there early and play a few holes to warm up then i would have the feel of the greens and have a warm up done for myself putting me at an advantage over his tiredness.

What are peoples thoughts here?

Personally I would go ahead with the match. I would find playing 36 holes mentally tougher than physically.

Did you play your match after??
How did you get on??

slingerz

Sean_pop wrote: »

Personally I would go ahead with the match. I would find playing 36 holes mentally tougher than physically.

Did you play your match after??
How did you get on??

Playing it this Saturday, have my own problems with a back injury i'm trying to manage at the moment hopefully it comes good for then!

Sean_pop

slingerz wrote: »

Playing it this Saturday, have my own problems with a back injury i'm trying to manage at the moment hopefully it comes good for then!

Make sure your OK to play. don't just chance it or you could aggravate it evening further and take yourself out for the summer which would be a disaster.