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Crow shooting

  • 09-12-2013 10:22pm
    #1
    MarkCharlie20
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    What's the best way to attract crows Into shotgun range ?


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  • #2
    Nino Brown
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    MarkCharlie20 wrote: »
    What's the best way to attract crows Into shotgun range ?

    Decoy crows maybe?. I'm sure you're aware they are protected unless you have a reason to shoot them?


  • #3
    cookimonster
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    What a coincidence, spent Saturday shooting crows. It was my first time intentionally targeting them.
    Normally I'd shoot them as a target of opertunity but this time I decoyed them using a single crow on a flapper and built up a decoy pattern with freshly shot birds. I used my bicycle spokes stakes to prop em up.
    I found they tend to come in and glide around over the set up, so most of my shots where near vertical unlike pigeons dropping into the pattern.
    Great shooting at the moment plenty of crows around on tillage.


  • #4
    hedzball
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    Nino Brown wrote: »
    Decoy crows maybe?. I'm sure you're aware they are protected unless you have a reason to shoot them?

    crow decoys are against legislation too iirc.

    Sam Neyt crow call..

    Done...


  • #5
    dodderangler
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    Nino Brown wrote: »
    Decoy crows maybe?. I'm sure you're aware they are protected unless you have a reason to shoot them?

    Not now. Rooks, grey crows, magpie and jackdaws are in season now since nov 1st until jan 31st after that they can only be shot under derogation.
    If you left out a dead rabbit or fox they'll come in.


  • #6
    strangles
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    I yhought they were vermin & you could shoot them all year round .......


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  • #7
    dodderangler
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    strangles wrote: »
    I yhought they were vermin & you could shoot them all year round .......

    Well I'd class them as horrible scavenging ba5tard vermin but they are protected and do have a season but can be shot off season if under derogation.
    Only found that out a year ago.


  • #8
    Birdnuts
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    strangles wrote: »
    I yhought they were vermin & you could shoot them all year round .......

    They can be shot year round by anyone if causing damage(to crops,livestock etc.) as stated in the derogations.




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  • #9
    J.R.
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    dodderangler wrote: »
    Not now. Rooks, grey crows, magpie and jackdaws are in season now since nov 1st until jan 31st after that they can only be shot under derogation.
    If you left out a dead rabbit or fox they'll come in.

    Crows do not have a shooting season - they can be shot if causing damage, under derogation.


    Woodpigeons have a season the same as woodcock & pheasants....from 1st Nov. - 31 st Jan............but they can also be shot throughout the year, under derogation, if causing damage.


    In short, at this time of year, you can shoot pigeons anytime you want but can only shoot crows, if causing damage or likely to do so..........saying that I think anybody could argue that greycrows & magpies cause damage every single day of the year.


  • #10
    Backfire
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    J.R. wrote: »
    Crows do not have a shooting season - they can be shot if causing damage, under derogation.


    Woodpigeons have a season the same as woodcock & pheasants....from 1st Nov. - 31 st Jan............but they can also be shot throughout the year, under derogation, if causing damage.


    In short, at this time of year, you can shoot pigeons anytime you want but can only shoot crows, if causing damage or likely to do so..........saying that I think anybody could argue that greycrows & magpies cause damage every single day of the year.

    so is it technically illegal to shoot a crow if it was deemed that the crow was not causing any damage to your crops or livestock feeds?

    I think it is also illegal to release a mink if you unintentionally caught it in a trap or snare. Is it true you are obliged to kill them humanely?


  • #11
    Nino Brown
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    Backfire wrote: »
    so is it technically illegal to shoot a crow if it was deemed that the crow was not causing any damage to your crops or livestock feeds?

    Yes, the crow has to be be coming right for you.



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  • #12
    J.R.
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    Backfire wrote: »
    so is it technically illegal to shoot a crow if it was deemed that the crow was not causing any damage to your crops or livestock feeds?

    That, in my opinion, is the way the legislation reads.


    I personally think it's ridiculous that you can legally use decoys when hunting ducks, geese & pigeons yet decoys are not permitted when crow shooting!!!!!!!

    If pigeon are classed as an agricultural pest, which can be decoyed & shot under derogation when crops are being attacked, then why does the same rule not apply to crows as pigeons???

    Why allow crows to be shot, when causing damage, and then ban a tool that would help to attract them in to be controlled????

    It must be very confusing for new-comers to shooting who see plastic greycrow, rook, magpie, owl & hawk decoys (used to attract crows) for sale in gun shops only to be informed after purchase, or through reading message forums, or ..................being caught using them in the field, that they are illegal to use and not permitted uinder the Wildlife Acts.


  • #13
    EP90
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    J.R. wrote: »
    Crows do not have a shooting season - they can be shot if causing damage, under derogation.


    Woodpigeons have a season the same as woodcock & pheasants....from 1st Nov. - 31 st Jan............but they can also be shot throughout the year, under derogation, if causing damage.


    In short, at this time of year, you can shoot pigeons anytime you want but can only shoot crows, if causing damage or likely to do so..........saying that I think anybody could argue that greycrows & magpies cause damage every single day of the year.

    Anybody got a link to the relevant sites that list the species that are protected/not protected, season and derogation exemptions, particularly Ulster/Cavan. Seems a bit of a changing mine field that I should be on top of to avoid accidental infringements.


  • #14
    Dai John
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    Shot a lot of crows this year at two farms. at the one they were causing problems at the slatted cow sheds by turning the sileage and putting it out of reach of the cattle. Another farm they were digging up the bean seeds so I guess I was covered. I always considered them vermin and they are in abundance to the point of affecting other wildlife. Shot a lot of grey crows. Seems to me we have too much law and not enough order. What is the difference in using decoys and dead crows as decoys ?


  • #15
    Cass
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    EP90 wrote: »
    Anybody got a link to the relevant sites that list the species that are protected/not protected, season and derogation exemptions, particularly Ulster/Cavan. Seems a bit of a changing mine field that I should be on top of to avoid accidental infringements.
    We keep a list at the top of the forum.
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  • #16
    Birdnuts
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    EP90 wrote: »
    Anybody got a link to the relevant sites that list the species that are protected/not protected, season and derogation exemptions, particularly Ulster/Cavan. Seems a bit of a changing mine field that I should be on top of to avoid accidental infringements.

    All the provinces are the same under the derogations so the link in JR's earlier post would be relevant to your area too.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=87930853&postcount=9


    I noticed on the NPWS site recently that they now give the derogations on an all Ireland basis instead of splitting it up to provincial level, which makes sense since all the provinces were allways the same anyways.


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