Golf Stats.

FixdePitchmark

Lads is there any chart to show you what stats you should have for a certain handicap. I think I seen it put up at one stage ? Or a thread on stats and handicap.

Here are my stats below over last 3 months of rounds in Golfshot. Some are part rounds. I think I have played a bit better than my normal ability over this time. But what sort of handicap is below playing to - is it possible to tell from stats ?
I don't get to play much competitive golf due to work /family, so - my handicap is not a true reflection of where I am as a golfer.

fairways hit: 51.7%
greens in regulation: 44.9%
recovery performance: 32.1%
putting averages: 1.8 Per Hole
2.1 Per GIR

Could somebody say where my weakness are from them ?
I think recovery is awful and putting is weak ?

I rarely play with lower handicap players. So I don't know what their stats are like ?

A few lads have pointed a few things out, that maybe I don't know my game as much as I think ?

Russman

I dunno, this can be a dangerous road to go down. Of course stats have their place and I'd never disregard them but..........I almost would tbh. (yet I have mine for the last 7 or 8 years, go figure !!) Mind you, I'd never have a clue during a round what any stat was like, I'd take 5 mins that evening to think about them.

So many of the stats are functions of another stat. eg greens hit % might be low but that could be because you're duffing your irons or spraying your driver - both hugely different problems.

Likewise with putting - you can take 26 putts and think you're putting great, but you might have been chipping stone dead all day. Generally the more greens you hit the more putts you'll take, often without being a bad putter. Monty is a classic example of this, he was never a "bad" putter but his total putts per round would have been, relatively, quite high.

You need to figure out how your stats relate to your game and which ones are relevant and which are maybe less so. It'll be different for every player, there's definitely no stat you "should" have for a certain handicap.

At first glance, in my opinion, your putts per green hit looks poor at 2.1, that's the stand out one IMO. Fairways and greens look fine for a handicap player. Personally I found that a few years ago when I was playing well, my stats weren't massively different to now, but for example, when I missed a fairway or green, I was in the semi or close to the fringe whereas in recent times I've had a destructive miss going on. So its more subjective than a cold hard number.

This may have been posted before, but I think its exceptionally relevant and a really interesting piece
http://www.golfwrx.com/82327/golfers-have-ridiculous-expectations/

PARlance

Another good article from the same site:
Lies, damn lies and statistics: Rory 2012 v 2013

http://www.golfwrx.com/85027/

shaneon77

At first glance I would put my neck out and say the following......
1. You are much more comfortable hitting your second shot from the fairway.
2. The majority of your GIR's hit are from fairway/fringe, suggesting you are perhaps a sweeper of the ball as opposed to a digger.
3. On average your approaches land at least 30 foot away from the pin.
4. You are more successful at getting up and down than avoiding 3 putts.
5. I may be spouting from me woo hoo and all the above statements are generic, whice may also go to show that stats don't lie.

Ben1977

Looking at it I would say that the GIR is were you could improve. This info with the 2.1 putts/GIR tells me that your putting isn't that bad. Its your approaches that are causing the poor putting stats. When you hit a GIR are you on the edge of the green or wrong side. This is leaving you with long putts which are hard to read and judge.

Just my thoughts.

michael1930

Converting basic stats into scores or a handicap is a dangerous and error prone pursuit, but here’s my effort.


fairways hit: 51.7%
greens in regulation: 44.9%
recovery performance: 32.1%
putting averages: 1.8 Per Hole
2.1 Per GIR

If you assume a par 72 course with 4 par 3’s and 4 par 5’s and your stats above then:


other total
holes putts\hole putts shots shots assumption
8 gir 8 2.1 16.8 16 32.8 par 4s
saves 4 1 4 8 12 par 3s
4 1.933 7.732 16 23.732 par 5s
2 1.933 3.866 6 9.866 par 4s
18 32.398 46 78.39

extra shots as sometimes you miss a gir by
more than one shot 1.5
Total 79.898
Par 72
Average over par 7.898

Your handicap will probable be slightly less than your average over par.

michael1930

As you can see from the post above I've no idea how to post an excel table onto boards, I have attached a word file of the table.

FixdePitchmark

michael1930 wrote: »

As you can see from the post above I've no idea how to post an excel table onto boards, I have attached a word file of the table.

I love a good spreadsheet me.

But a but late - thanks for that.

Your figure seems right. I'm playing to about 8. A little better at the moment.

I'm not sure it answers where my shots are being lost most. But will look again in am.

kagni

Got the below table somewhere - can't remember where now, so not sure how accurate it is.
Going by the below it looks like your recovery percentage might be a bit low.

HCP GiR FW UD% SS% Putts Pars
36 0 0 0 0 41 0
18 3 5 17 0 35 5
9 8 8 46 7 32 10
4.5 10 10 60 31 30 12
scr 12 11 77 51 29 15
TW 14 10 85 57 28 17


If that isn't enough stats for you maybe have a look at this!
http://www.columbia.edu/~mnb2/broadie/Assets/broadie_wscg_v_200804.pdf

Freemount09

Theres an app for that !

I think its Paul Azinger Golfplan that links in with golfshot, and tells you how your perfoming against the average golfer off your handicap.

There are short videos and drills on areas that you need to work on.

I think its about €15, I didn't use it but the guy who told me about it seemed to be happy with it !

PARlance

Freemount09 wrote: »

Theres an app for that !

I think its Paul Azinger Golfplan that links in with golfshot, and tells you how your perfoming against the average golfer off your handicap.

There are short videos and drills on areas that you need to work on.

I think its about €15, I didn't use it but the guy who told me about it seemed to be happy with it !

Ya, there's an option on the PGA Tour Caddie App (that has replaced golfshot) with all the kind of stuff.

FixdePitchmark

Thanks lads that was well worth looking at - you could get into all sorts of Natural Logs into excel (as some of the figures Kagni gave, are) - but using basic graphs.

The following is where I'm at Handicap wise ( If using average golfer figures)

Handicap
GIR 9
Fairways Hit 7
Up and Down 12
Sand Saves 8
putting 9

In the last few weeks my up and downs have gone from 32 % to 41% this is my weakest area . So thanks lads. I think that is useful - because I'm surprised how close the figures are - it give you the big problem area.

Obviously if my up and downs improve - my putting will improve too. But then you could say reverse.
As other have said - where do you stop. But worth knowing general place.

Short Game - Short Game - Short Game

Kace

Here are the Boardsie stats from 6 months ago

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=85237484

The PGA TourCaddie (GolfShot) App shows your performance against the expected stats for people of your handicap - a comparison. I have been collecting stats from this App for almost 3 years now - great app.

FixdePitchmark

Kace wrote: »

Here are the Boardsie stats from 6 months ago

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=85237484

The PGA TourCaddie (GolfShot) App shows your performance against the expected stats for people of your handicap - a comparison. I have been collecting stats from this App for almost 3 years now - great app.

Thanks - that is the one I was thinking of.

Rikand

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Lads is there any chart to show you what stats you should have for a certain handicap. I think I seen it put up at one stage ? Or a thread on stats and handicap.

Here are my stats below over last 3 months of rounds in Golfshot. Some are part rounds. I think I have played a bit better than my normal ability over this time. But what sort of handicap is below playing to - is it possible to tell from stats ?
I don't get to play much competitive golf due to work /family, so - my handicap is not a true reflection of where I am as a golfer.

fairways hit: 51.7%
greens in regulation: 44.9%
recovery performance: 32.1%
putting averages: 1.8 Per Hole
2.1 Per GIR

Could somebody say where my weakness are from them ?
I think recovery is awful and putting is weak ?

I rarely play with lower handicap players. So I don't know what their stats are like ?

A few lads have pointed a few things out, that maybe I don't know my game as much as I think ?

You probably play off a handicap of 14 or 15 but if you got your FIR in order i reckon you could get down to single figures handy enough.

Stop trying to hit it 300 yards everytime and be happy with 260 & middle of the fairway and you'll be sorted

FixdePitchmark

Touche

One day - I may carry your clubs Rik.

saintastic

Think Kagni has covered this off but I used to use a stats system called Statdoctor before I moved to TourCaddie.

They had GIRs, Fairway Hits, Putts per hole, 1 putts per round, 3 putts per round and sand up and down laid out for an 18 (bogey) golfer and a scratch golfer. You can obviously interpolate for your handicap or else use these paramaters to see where your stats leave you handicap wise.

As FixDePitchmark mentioned above, it is very useful for identifying the part of the game that is letting you down. You probably know yourself but seeing it in hard data is quite powerful.