Part worn tyres

cena

Anyone use these lads in athlone yet.
http://cars.donedeal.ie/tyres-for-sale/part-worn-tyres-athlone-5-7mm-sets/5208687

Blazer

5-7mm ? I'd be very sceptical of any ad that claims that..unless they're winter tyres and they're not advertising them as such.

cena

Blazer wrote: »

5-7mm ? I'd be very sceptical of any ad that claims that..unless they're winter tyres and they're not advertising them as such.

Why would you be sceptical. Do you not normally get part worn tyres 5-7mm

delthedriver

Second hand tyres? Worth risking your life?

GTE

Judging by the recent megathread about it, there are people either for it of against the idea of part worns with the latter sometimes ruling out the idea from the outset without considering looking at them at a case by case basis.

If a good brand and in good condition with the tread depths they advertise it could be worth it.

Try and work out the euro to tread costs though.

Personally I have no issue with part worns as long as the potential buyer knows what to check as I do not have enough faith in people to not sell something quite dodgy to clueless fellows and fellowettes.

barry181091

I just stumbled on this thread but new tyres have generally 8mm of thread (From a very quick google). So id imagine 7mm would be pushing it for part worn

cena

What is needed to look out for when buy part worn tyres

delthedriver

How do the prices compare with new budget name tyres?

GTE

cena wrote: »

What is needed to look out for when buy part worn tyres

Probably the same checks we take for granted when putting new tyres on.

Personally, I would not like to see puncture repairs, slashes in blocks, issues with the rubber, but due to the type of tyre I run I have never been in a position to consider part worns seriously so maybe someone more experienced can add to the list.

ironclaw

cena wrote: »

What is needed to look out for when buy part worn tyres

If you need to ask this question, you should not be buying them on your own. I don't mean that offensively, but a salesman will always make a sale to someone who doesn't know.

Also, in my opinion, a good few of these 'part worn' tyre dealers are people out to make a quick buck in recession times. People always love a bargain, so buying a few containers of part worn without any previous knowledge of tyres, is almost a dead ringer to make some quick money. The sheer pace these places are popping up in an indication of this.

I cannot fathom why someone would want to cut corners when it comes to servicing and maintaining your car. You may as well fit part worn brake pads, in fact that would probably be safer. If your very car savvy, and want a specific brand or thread, by all means but part worns are not for joe soap in my opinion.

delthedriver

Yes, I am a grumpy old git:D

I would be very sceptical about buying part worn tyres. I appreciate we need to watch our budgets in these economic times, however on thinking the matter through it would appear to be like installing second hand brake pads or secondhand safety belts.

Safety must be the priority over saving a few € !

Kimbot

Strangely enough during the bad winter 3 odd years ago I had 2 brand new tyres on the front of my car. within a week of trying to get to work the wore right down to bald, stupid cheap brand that the garage put on, I was raging. badly stuck I got 2 part worns (bridgesrone potenzas) and they were nearly brand new. saved me a few quid and I only replaced them earlier this year.

GTE

ironclaw wrote: »

If you need to ask this question, you should not be buying them on your own. I don't mean that offensively, but a salesman will always make a sale to someone who doesn't know.

I don't agree. One of the great successes of internet forums is that it gives people not in the know the ability to become in the know.

ironclaw wrote: »

Also, in my opinion, a good few of these 'part worn' tyre dealers are people out to make a quick buck in recession times. People always love a bargain, so buying a few containers of part worn without any previous knowledge of tyres, is almost a dead ringer to make some quick money. The sheer pace these places are popping up in an indication of this.

I agree that this is an indication of a problem area, all the more reason to have more informed people and maybe that regulation spoken about recently.

ironclaw wrote: »

I cannot fathom why someone would want to cut corners when it comes to servicing and maintaining your car. You may as well fit part worn brake pads, in fact that would probably be safer. If your very car savvy, and want a specific brand or thread, by all means but part worns are not for joe soap in my opinion.

I can not make sense of your point here. If the tyre is of good condition as mentioned above, and works out as a good deal with tread depth to cost then what is wrong with that?

We need to take care not to assume that tyres that have been used a bit are somehow unsafe rubbish. That makes us all in trouble from the day we drive off with a new set on. We do need to make sure we can spot and avoid the a**holes trying to make a quick buck at the expense of quality.

Toyotafanboi

so what you're saying, ironclaw, is that my firestones that i bought new last year that now have 5mm tread left are "taking chances with safety" because they are part-worn? how so?

what if i had a restricted budget for my tires? say €200. i could afford brand new ling-longs or sunny day tires, or bridgestones or continentals with 5mm left? you're saying i should buy the reputable sounding sunny days?

cena

I sent an email to this crowd through that ad.

They replied with
I have them matching with 7mm thread. €35 each..

I asked if they had me tyre size.

Scortho

delthedriver wrote: »

Second hand tyres? Worth risking your life?

Part worn potenzas or brand new triangles...





part worms win every day then:cool:

GTE

cena wrote: »

I sent an email to this crowd through that ad.

They replied with
I have them matching with 7mm thread. €35 each..

I asked if they had me tyre size.

Have you asked about tyre brand and model or did I miss that?

cena

bbk wrote: »

Have you asked about tyre brand and model or did I miss that?

I have just asked there. In a reply. But the ad says tyres sold as set. Would they mean 35 euro a set

delthedriver

cena wrote: »

I have just asked there. In a reply. But the ad says tyres sold as set. Would they mean 35 euro a set

They replied with
I have them matching with 7mm thread. €35 each..

ironclaw

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

so what you're saying, ironclaw, is that my firestones that i bought new last year that now have 5mm tread left are "taking chances with safety" because they are part-worn? how so?

what if i had a restricted budget for my tires? say €200. i could afford brand new ling-longs or sunny day tires, or bridgestones or continentals with 5mm left? you're saying i should buy the reputable sounding sunny days?

Not at all. But a brand new set of tyres, fitted to your car, you know their history. You do not know the history of a set of part worns from a container from Europe. That would be the key difference to me. I know you could compare this to a second hand car, but a second hand car is collection of systems and mechanical parts, not a piece of rubber that is your only connection to the road at speed.

As regards budget, no comment. If someone is willing to skimp on tyres, I fear for other aspects of their motoring and general attitude to maintenance.

Blazer

cena wrote: »

Why would you be sceptical. Do you not normally get part worn tyres 5-7mm

nah and I've gotten 2 sets of them previously..most I'd say was 4mm and the 2nd set I got one of them had a puncture.

Toyotafanboi

ironclaw wrote: »

Not at all. But a brand new set of tyres, fitted to your car, you know their history. You do not know the history of a set of part worns from a container from Europe. That would be the key difference to me. I know you could compare this to a second hand car, but a second hand car is collection of systems and mechanical parts, not a piece of rubber that is your only connection to the road at speed.

As regards budget, no comment. If someone is willing to skimp on tyres, I fear for other aspects of their motoring and general attitude to maintenance.

there is a difference between skimping and just plain old having a limited budget and needing to get the best for your money though.

personally i reckon what could be wrong with the part worn tyres. once they pass a visual inspection for damage and they aren't too old.

GTE

ironclaw wrote: »

Not at all. But a brand new set of tyres, fitted to your car, you know their history. You do not know the history of a set of part worns from a container from Europe. That would be the key difference to me. I know you could compare this to a second hand car, but a second hand car is collection of systems and mechanical parts, not a piece of rubber that is your only connection to the road at speed.

As regards budget, no comment. If someone is willing to skimp on tyres, I fear for other aspects of their motoring and general attitude to maintenance.

What kind of undetectable faults are you worried about and how do they occur?

GTE

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

there is a difference between skimping and just plain old having a limited budget and needing to get the best for your money though.

Although there is a difference, the term skimping doesn't really have any weight in this situtation until it is proven that the majority of part worns are rubbish.

A poster in the mega thread said how they were worried about how part worns would react under braking.

So, in a situation where a "used from new" set of Bridgestones vs a used set from a part worn source set, where all tyres are fit for the road, the part worns would somehow be dangerous. Now lets compare that to a similarly priced budget brand. To keep things simple, keep it dry. To make it more complex, in the wet then more tread wins but then I am not a fan of the low tread limit we have in Ireland anyway.

Again, I have never been in a position due to tyre types required and available to me but I am more than open to be shown how a part worn can have undetectable, critical faults compared to what can happen with a new set.

This is where the regulation question comes in and I feel the regulation wont stamp out the majority of part worns sold but the minority of chancers selling rubbish.

efc67

I would rather have a brand name of part worns than a new set of cheap tyres ................my father in law brings in a 40ft lorry load every 6 weeks and he sells them along side new tyres.....he flies out himself and picks out every tyres himself....most tyres have a date on them now 2 first digits for week identification, 2 last digits for year identification...def dont buy anything 10 years old

bazz26

delthedriver wrote: »

Second hand tyres? Worth risking your life?

Every used car out there for sale has second hand tyres on them.

delthedriver

bazz26 wrote: »

Every used car out there for sale has second hand tyres on them.

Indeed!:)

I would not buy a secondhand car either !

bazz26

delthedriver wrote: »

Indeed!:)

I would not buy a secondhand car either !

You have my full support. As long as there are people like yourself happy to buy new, there will be people like me happy to buy them after you. :pac:

delthedriver

bazz26 wrote: »

You have my full support. As long as there are people like yourself happy to buy new, there will be people like me happy to buy them after you. :pac:

Thank you kind Sir!

:)Happy Christmas

Scortho

bazz26 wrote: »

You have my full support. As long as there are people like yourself happy to buy new, there will be people like me happy to buy them after you. :pac:

Does he not buy dacias....

TheBully

delthedriver wrote: »

They replied with
I have them matching with 7mm thread. €35 each..

Out of curiosity, what is your tyre size? and what brand are they putting on?

KwackerJack

ironclaw wrote: »

As regards budget, no comment. If someone is willing to skimp on tyres, I fear for other aspects of their motoring and general attitude to maintenance.

Because we all can afford 600 Euro for a set of Premium tyres.

Going by price the Pilots are 'better'

Going by rating the Maximus are 'better'

I put a set of Maxtrek Maximus M1 185/65/14 on the other half's Focus. C rating for fuel and B rating for Wet. Had it out for a good spin and they felt perfect in dry/wet conditions and no issue's in the corners at speeds she would never go. €180 for a set of 4 (pic is borrowed off Google images)



Have a set of Michelin Pilot Primacy on the S80 and again never had an issue. C rating for Fuel and C rating for wet €400+

TheBully

Michelins are overpriced but are a great tyre! they will consistently do 30-40% more mileage than any other tyre brand!
This is due to the compound in the tyre which is slightly harder than most, The harder compound ever so slightly takes away from grip but this is very minimal! This might be why the they have a 'C' rating in the wet!


The Budget brands with the 'C' ratings for both wet and fuel consumption is probaply accurate but there is no consistency in thread wear with these cheap tyres, some sets seem to last for years and some last for months, I have actualy seen a full set of new budget Chinese tyres put on a 2005 Avensis and the back tyres needed to be changed before the front a couple of months down the line!

These ratings on are fine and give people some sort of understanding, But Big multinationals such as Michelin and Bridgestone don't spend millions on development and technology for the sake of it, You pay for what you get

cena

TheBully wrote: »

Out of curiosity, what is your tyre size? and what brand are they putting on?

There r14. I emailed them back asking what brand they where got no reply

johndaman66

Its always going to be a highly emotive topic with extreme enough point of views at either side of the spectrum. However, I really do not understand when people take such a hardline view against them yet would buy a secondhand car with obviously part worn tyres and wouldn't bat an eyelid?

I'm personally confident I can examine tyres just as well if not better than any NCT/ DOE tester so know what to look out for. Its not that terribly difficult but you should probably refrain from buying part worn tyres if you do not know what your doing or have somebody along with you who does. We all know there are chancers out there looking to make a quick buck at your expense

I've bought 2 sets in my day and while you will sometimes save a few quid other times they can be a bit of a false economy. I think quite often the best wear in a tyre can be in the first few mm so important to bear that in mind. One set I had I got savage wear and value out of them, the other set definately not so. Safety was not an issue with either set and I don't always hold back on the road! Then again I didn't let them go as far as being racing slicks before replacing them as I see under so many cars