Sky Multiroom, but no phone line

StompToWork

Anyone else in this situation? I am on a UPC MMDS subscription, as I am in a rural area, and that is the only multichannel option open to me, besides Sky.

I have a multiroom setup with UPC. Thing is, when I look at what is available on MMDS, versus what is available with Sky at the same price, I would like to switch.

However, I would still like to keep the multi room option. However, Sky tell me that this is not possiblemultiroom setup with UPC. Thing is, when I look at what is available on MMDS, versus what is available with Sky at the same price, I would like to switch.

However, I would still like to keep the multi room option. However, Sky tell me that this is not possible without a phone line. I have no intention of getting a phone line in here.

Does anyone here have Sky Multi-room without having a phone line? If so, how did you accomplish such a feat? without a phone line. I have no intention of getting a phone line in here.

helimachoptor

Do you have broadband?

StompToWork

helimachoptor wrote: »

Do you have broadband?

I do.

helimachoptor

Your issue won't be an issue shortly then..

StompToWork

Excellent.

Great to hear.

Em........

Care to elaborate??

green123

helimachoptor wrote: »

Your issue won't be an issue shortly then..

so how will that work then ?

and how shortly ?

mastermind2005

I'm fairly certain you can't as you will read here unless you pay for separate boxes...


http://telephone.lynch.ie/topics/index.php/do-you-need-a-landline-telephone-for-sky-tv-multi-room/

Scartbeg

Same situation here. It is derisory that Sky are so slow to keep up with technology. As an alternative to a landline, they should be able to interrogate boxes via the customer's internet connection to verify they are at the same location (at least not shipped off to Spain). Either that or a watchdog app between boxes that would shutdown if they are not on the same local network.

jetski

Scartbeg wrote: »

Same situation here. It is derisory that Sky are so slow to keep up with technology. As an alternative to a landline, they should be able to interrogate boxes via the customer's internet connection to verify they are at the same location (at least not shipped off to Spain). Either that or a watchdog app between boxes that would shutdown if they are not on the same local network.

But the problem is the broadband comes in over the phone line?

The Ayatolla

I've been getting away with it for years.

Scartbeg

jetski wrote: »

But the problem is the broadband comes in over the phone line?

Broadband is not exclusive to landlines. We can't physically get a landline, so our BB is via a Fixed Wireless network.

helimachoptor

green123 wrote: »

so how will that work then ?

and how shortly ?

Very shortly..

steveon

To say very soon is not correct, sky have not informed anyone of their intention of relating on the phoneline for multiroom option.

Reason is simple, with a phoneline you can order direct from your armchair and therefore less call staff required, kids can also play games charged at 50cent a min raking up a nice profit for sky. They can also keep track of the boxes by doing a callback to see are both boxes connected to the same line.

There are ip configs currently in development,but again this does not mean sky will use them and even if they do they will be expensive I reckonhttp://www.ses.com/4233325/news/2013/15044211. There are wireless card sharing devices around for yrs that could pair a second card in range of the first but again sky refuse to utilise this.

green123

helimachoptor wrote: »

Very shortly..

another useless comment, you shouldnt have even bothered to come back to the thread if that is all you are going to say.

anyway the time frame is not so important, tell us how it will work

helimachoptor

green123 wrote: »

another useless comment, you shouldnt have even bothered to come back to the thread if that is all you are going to say.

anyway the time frame is not so important, tell us how it will work

If you bothered to read my posts you'd see how it would work.

I shall leave the date in suspense sufficed to say it's pretty damn soon

green123

helimachoptor wrote: »

If you bothered to read my posts you'd see how it would work.

yet another stupid comment.
we have just asked you to give a little more detail and stop being so vague and evasive.
how will it work over broadband ?

helimachoptor wrote: »

I shall leave the date in suspense sufficed to say it's pretty damn soon

yes well done, you sound like a primary school child - " i have a secret and i am not telling you " teasing people

Scartbeg

helimachoptor wrote: »

If you bothered to read my posts you'd see how it would work.

I shall leave the date in suspense sufficed to say it's pretty damn soon

You got me real confused.Check back over the thread - you must have deleted the post where you explained how this will work?

helimachoptor

Must be a slow night, yes it will work over BB and how it works shouldn't be a question for anyone aslong as you have BB you can get MR without a phone line.

Commander Shepard

Hi I have multiroom with sky and I have never had a phone line you can pm me if you want to know how to do it

steveon

Commander Shepard wrote: »

Hi I have multiroom with sky and I have never had a phone line you can pm me if you want to know how to do it

Lots of people have multiroom without the phoneline its getting it in is the problem, both cards has to be now activated with an active phoneline and if you get caught with boxes no connected your subscription will double every month until you rectify it, just cause you havent got caught yet doesnt mean you wont.

phily0702

I have sky multiroom and sky also told me i would need a phoneline for my two boxes
but when the installer came to my house we got chatting for a bit and he told me he
will set them up without the phone lines all of there technicians carry hand held devices that
will set up the boxes for you without being connected to the phone line i have sky the past two years
and everything is still fine without my phone lines connected.

Commander Shepard

That's the case you will never have trouble without having the phone line connected. But getting the multiroom without a phone line takes a bit of work. But it can be done

steveon

Commander Shepard wrote: »

That's the case you will never have trouble without having the phone line connected. But getting the multiroom without a phone line takes a bit of work. But it can be done

As I said it can be done only if u activate them with a telephone line somewhere that they work....but that doesnt mean u will get away with it forever.

BionicRasher

Would this be any good

http://help.sky.com/tv/sky-tv-on-other-devices/watch-sky-go-on-xbox-360?country=ie

Commander Shepard

I'd say 60% of new mr customers don't have a phone line and never had its the door to door salesman who get you the multiroom without a phone line

helimachoptor

i think if anyone who doesnt have a phone line was to call up on Dec 18th they would find not having a phoneline isnt an issue anymore..

steveon

helimachoptor wrote: »

i think if anyone who doesnt have a phone line was to call up on Dec 18th they would find not having a phoneline isnt an issue anymore..

A- It takes 5-10 working days to get the cards sent from Scotland to Ireland on an average week so u can forget about getting sky from here on in....and

B- Its in their terms and conditions for Multiroom that you have to have a line, sky now record your voice when signing up for sky and will ring the landline no u provide when ordering multiroom. If they get no answer on a number of occasions they will not issue the cards. This is all part of the new security systems in place...so if you dont know what your talking about and as I already pointed out to u already just cause you got away with not having a phone line so far does not mean you will continue to do so inevitably.

I get a number of calls each week from people who receive letters from sky that their boxes are not connected to an active line and who's bills are doubled as a result due to the exact procedure you are referring to.

Commander Shepard

What do you do Steveon. And the cards are posted from Ireland now not Scotland

helimachoptor

steveon wrote: »

A- It takes 5-10 working days to get the cards sent from Scotland to Ireland on an average week so u can forget about getting sky from here on in....and

B- Its in their terms and conditions for Multiroom that you have to have a line, sky now record your voice when signing up for sky and will ring the landline no u provide when ordering multiroom. If they get no answer on a number of occasions they will not issue the cards. This is all part of the new security systems in place...so if you dont know what your talking about and as I already pointed out to u already just cause you got away with not having a phone line so far does not mean you will continue to do so inevitably.

I get a number of calls each week from people who receive letters from sky that their boxes are not connected to an active line and who's bills are doubled as a result due to the exact procedure you are referring to.

You are wrong on both counts.

However i can wait until the 18th for you to come and say i was right.

helimachoptor

Commander Shepard wrote: »

What do you do Steveon. And the cards are posted from Ireland now not Scotland

Also incorrect, they come from Scotland

Commander Shepard

How does everyone know so much about the workings of sky and I'm pretty sure they are now posted from Dublin

steveon

Commander Shepard wrote: »

What do you do Steveon. And the cards are posted from Ireland now not Scotland

I'm self employed tv and broadband engineer in the Limerick area, and an authorised Sky Agent so I can tell you exactly how it is, all Cards are shipped from Scotland and not the republic. It takes a few days to ship as Sky do a full credit check on you and details are now shared for some time between UPC and Sky to stop people racking up a bill with one and then jumping ship.

They now record your voice when setting up an account and you must pick a pin number which the engiiner or sometimes the person who signed up for the account must say again on the day of the install to stop people opening and closing and signing up using different bank accounts, it is rare any cards would ship before 5-days unless you are lucky

helimachoptor

steveon wrote: »

I'm self employed tv and broadband engineer in the Limerick area, and an authorised Sky Agent so I can tell you exactly how it is, all Cards are shipped from Scotland and not the republic. It takes a few days to ship as Sky do a full credit check on you and details are now shared for some time between UPC and Sky to stop people racking up a bill with one and then jumping ship.

They now record your voice when setting up an account and you must pick a pin number which the engiiner or sometimes the person who signed up for the account must say again on the day of the install to stop people opening and closing and signing up using different bank accounts, it is rare any cards would ship before 5-days unless you are lucky

1st piece in bold, absolute rubbish.

steveon

helimachoptor wrote: »

1st piece in bold, absolute rubbish.

No is is not I should know as I have had to turn away countless peoples accounts that have been bounced as a result and I'm sure a lot of other installers will tell you the same. Also due to some addresses been blacklisted usually a rented house where 2 or 3 bad tenants racked up a bill in a row,

Commander Shepard

Could you not be creative with their names and addresses bank details etc?

photofinish

helimachoptor wrote: »

i think if anyone who doesnt have a phone line was to call up on Dec 18th they would find not having a phoneline isnt an issue anymore..

Anybody care to explain?

Nelbert

steveon wrote: »

No is is not I should know as I have had to turn away countless peoples accounts that have been bounced as a result and I'm sure a lot of other installers will tell you the same. Also due to some addresses been blacklisted usually a rented house where 2 or 3 bad tenants racked up a bill in a row,

That would be due to credit rating highlighting issues after the credit check not detail sharing. Detail sharing would be a major breach of data protection by both companies!

justsomebloke

helimachoptor wrote: »

i think if anyone who doesnt have a phone line was to call up on Dec 18th they would find not having a phoneline isnt an issue anymore..

Is there a press release for what the new offering is yet?

helimachoptor

Just call up..

muffler

helimachoptor wrote: »

Just call up..

from a landline? :pac:

Scartbeg

So, finally Sky boxes catch up with the 21st century.

http://help.sky.com/tv/set-up-your-sky-tv/watch-sky-in-different-rooms?country=ie

Though oddly enough, they say to connect multiroom boxes to your home broadband network "where possible".

A change for the good, almost enough to persuade me to sign up.

helimachoptor

muffler wrote: »

from a landline? :pac:

you dont have to.. but could be the last phone call from your landline if you wanted it to be!

makeorbrake

Has four boxes always been the limit for multi-room?

Scartbeg

makeorbrake wrote: »

Has four boxes always been the limit for multi-room?

That's 4 Sky+ boxes (2 feeds each) or 8 Standard boxes.
They seem to base this on a max of 8 feeds from an Octal LNB

No reason why they couldn't use a Quattro with multiswitch to provide more than 8 feeds, if you really wanted to pay for them.

Also coming up, as linked above, are LNBs with native IP capability. Essentially putting the receiver in the LNB with a small media server to stream up to 8 channels at once over your LAN. Wouldn't be rushing out to buy one though.

photofinish

Scartbeg wrote: »

So, finally Sky boxes catch up with the 21st century.

http://help.sky.com/tv/set-up-your-sky-tv/watch-sky-in-different-rooms?country=ie

Though oddly enough, they say to connect multiroom boxes to your home broadband network "where possible".

A change for the good, almost enough to persuade me to sign up.

Just been on the phone to Sky my boxes are now exempt from the phone line and the call backs will be done via broadband from my Wifi network.:D

Heisenberg1

photofinish wrote: »

Just been on the phone to Sky my boxes are now exempt from the phone line and the call backs will be done via broadband from my Wifi network.:D

But don't you need a phone line to get Sky's broadband ?

makeorbrake

@Heisenberg1: Presumably, it doesn't have to be Sky's broadband - it can be anyone's broadband - including upc and fixed wireless providers and also, 3g midband providers such as Three.

photofinish

makeorbrake wrote: »

@Heisenberg1: Presumably, it doesn't have to be Sky's broadband - it can be anyone's broadband - including upc and fixed wireless providers and also, 3g midband providers such as Three.

Yes and I would not takes Sky broadband until they can provide me with something like this.:D

Nelbert

This paves the way for whole home dvr setup in main room with Multiscreen boxes working off ip only with no sat feed to a multiscreen box necessary.