angus bonus

lakill Farm

with a client last night and he showed me 40 angus heifers he has in the shed. there tight 20months old and approx 600kg to 700kg .

All are aax on cards but he isn't part of the angus bonus. IS it to late? where would he go? also how much a kg is it worth? (He is bord bia approved already)

any other info please. Not killing till January I think he said

Sharpshooter82

lakill Farm wrote: »

with a client last night and he showed me 40 angus heifers he has in the shed. there tight 20months old and approx 600kg to 700kg .

All are aax on cards but he isn't part of the angus bonus. IS it to late? where would he go? also how much a kg is it worth? (He is bord bia approved already)

any other info please. Not killing till January I think he said

What are the AA crossed with?

munkus

Was shopping in Dunne's this evening and saw Angus mince for €10:49 a kilo. I nearly feckin fell over. Rarely do the shopping. Sorry for dumping on your thread Lakill, had to say it when I saw Angus mentioned.

TUBBY

lakill Farm wrote: »

with a client last night and he showed me 40 angus heifers he has in the shed. there tight 20months old and approx 600kg to 700kg .

All are aax on cards but he isn't part of the angus bonus. IS it to late? where would he go? also how much a kg is it worth? (He is bord bia approved already)

any other info please. Not killing till January I think he said

Iakill, he can talk to Liffey Meats/ Slaney Meats or Dawn. Any of these give 10-15c bonus for Angus and there is no pre-booking of 100 days etc.
Gerry Smith is the Angus society Rep (dont have a number for him but google him) and if he talks to him, he will get them booked in. membership is free with this society.

With the other society that deal with AIBP and Kepak, you need to have 100 days notice for the larger bonus and there are more conditions regarding previous owners etc.

pat73

lakill Farm wrote: »

with a client last night and he showed me 40 angus heifers he has in the shed. there tight 20months old and approx 600kg to 700kg .

All are aax on cards but he isn't part of the angus bonus. IS it to late? where would he go? also how much a kg is it worth? (He is bord bia approved already)

any other info please. Not killing till January I think he said

I signed up up for the angus bonus scheme the day before I got them killed.It is worth 12 cents a kg.I just signed up at the factory.Thats a lot of money over 40 cattle.There is another bonus for the angus if u pre book them.The winter one was from 28/10/2013 to 30/12/2013 but u had to have them booked in before 4/10/2013.I was too late for that one.It gave an extra bonus of between 13c a kg to 20c over different dates.There is a summer one also that starts around April.My angus cattle were off fresian cows.There is a fellow that checks them at the factory and if he thinks they are not angus enough he will not pass them.

Sharpshooter82

pat73 wrote: »

I signed up up for the angus bonus scheme the day before I got them killed.It is worth 12 cents a kg.I just signed up at the factory.Thats a lot of money over 40 cattle.There is another bonus for the angus if u pre book them.The winter one was from 28/10/2013 to 30/12/2013 but u had to have them booked in before 4/10/2013.I was too late for that one.It gave an extra bonus of between 13c a kg to 20c over different dates.There is a summer one also that starts around April.My angus cattle were off fresian cows.There is a fellow that checks them at the factory and if he thinks they are not angus enough he will not pass them.

What would he class as not AA enough

TUBBY

Not polled. Colored. Too many movements.

LivInt20

lakill Farm wrote: »

with a client last night and he showed me 40 angus heifers he has in the shed. there tight 20months old and approx 600kg to 700kg .

All are aax on cards but he isn't part of the angus bonus. IS it to late? where would he go? also how much a kg is it worth? (He is bord bia approved already)

any other info please. Not killing till January I think he said

All info on this website http://www.angusproducergroup.com/people

nashmach

TUBBY wrote: »

Iakill, he can talk to Liffey Meats/ Slaney Meats or Dawn. Any of these give 10-15c bonus for Angus and there is no pre-booking of 100 days etc.
Gerry Smith is the Angus society Rep (dont have a number for him but google him) and if he talks to him, he will get them booked in. membership is free with this society.

With the other society that deal with AIBP and Kepak, you need to have 100 days notice for the larger bonus and there are more conditions regarding previous owners etc.

For the Slaney scheme there was an entry fee when we commenced doing this a few years back.

It may have changed now to be fair.

mikeoh

Ring the Irish Aberdeen Angus society they are after setting up a new Angus beef group....no membership fee just book cattle in with one of the factories they are doing it with,....................this is different to the Irish Angus society " Angus producer group" which has been set up a few years ago and u have to be a paying member........there was ad in the back of the journal a few weeks back and I rang the agent its a very straight forward way of doing it no minimum number ..book cattle in same week as u kill them etc. But u think I can find the number now......remember its the Irish AA soc not the Irish angus

lakill Farm

they are all polly, all a single movement as baby suck calves in March/April 2012. All from BF cows as far as i can make out. There is not 1 bit of white on any of them. Real angus looking.

Ok ill let him know. 12c Kg is a nice bit

on the river

Love angus meat especially a steak with some herbs and spices

Buncha Fives

lakill Farm wrote: »

they are all polly, all a single movement as baby suck calves in March/April 2012. All from BF cows as far as i can make out. There is not 1 bit of white on any of them. Real angus looking.

Ok ill let him know. 12c Kg is a nice bit

Just sent you a PM.

Sharpshooter82

lakill Farm wrote: »

they are all polly, all a single movement as baby suck calves in March/April 2012. All from BF cows as far as i can make out. There is not 1 bit of white on any of them. Real angus looking.

Ok ill let him know. 12c Kg is a nice bit

That's fair going to get them at 600kg at 20 months

Sam Kade

Sharpshooter82 wrote: »

That's fair going to get them at 600kg at 20 months

They must have been reared under cows.

Sharpshooter82

Sam Kade wrote: »

They must have been reared under cows.

Was thinking that as my best last year was 420kg at 20 months so was thinking where was I going wrong

Sam Kade

Sharpshooter82 wrote: »

Was thinking that as my best last year was 420kg at 20 months so was thinking where was I going wrong

That would be about right for bucket fed aax heifers.

Farmer Pudsey

Sharpshooter82 wrote: »

That's fair going to get them at 600kg at 20 months

Sam Kade wrote: »

They must have been reared under cows.

Nothing like rushes to put weight on cattle if they lie out there for a few months and you cannot find them to Tag them. That is serious weight for AA heifers even if they were bred off continental cows not to mind BF. The Daddy must have been a serious bucko himself as well. Very few farmers can get any bucket fed cattle to over 600kgs at 20 months. If they are the weight suggested they should average over 1450 each.

jomoloney

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Nothing like rushes to put weight on cattle if they lie out there for a few months and you cannot find them to Tag them. That is serious weight for AA heifers even if they were bred off continental cows not to mind BF. The Daddy must have been a serious bucko himself as well. Very few farmers can get any bucket fed cattle to over 600kgs at 20 months. If they are the weight suggested they should average over 1450 each.

if I could not get bucket fed calves to 600kgs @ 20 months I'd sell them as calves ,

wouldn't worth my time TBH

that's why I queried your other post

Sharpshooter82

jomoloney wrote: »

if I could not get bucket fed calves to 600kgs @ 20 months I'd sell them as calves ,

wouldn't worth my time TBH

that's why I queried your other post

if it could be done you would need to do everything right or feed them adlib for the 20 months

Farmer Pudsey

jomoloney wrote: »

if I could not get bucket fed calves to 600kgs @ 20 months I'd sell them as calves ,

wouldn't worth my time TBH

that's why I queried your other post

Most of the cattle I buy in as bucket fed weanlings or year and a half stores. In the mart the amount of AA/HE cattle that are over 450kgs at 18 months are about 25% most are less than this yes you see a few lots over 500kgs but not an awful lot. In general I would get the weanlings I buy to over 500kgs going into the shed. My cattle only ever see meal in the shed or at finishing and at present cattle are getting 1.5kg and silage. In the factory I see a lot of cattle killing less than 300kgs especially HE and AA when less than 24 months.

A lot of this is Dairy Farmers using easy calving bulls as there main focus is to have there cows milking well straight away. Also if calves are not done well for first 6 weeks they tend to be a bit slower to develop. I have seen year and a half sucklers less than 400kgs.

AA heifers tend to put flesh on fast if well done they tend to finish fast. In general I have seen few that will put on a kg a day and to have them averaging 650gs at 20 months is unusual, this means that they have done 1kg a day from birth. At this rate it would be unusual for them to grow frames to carry that weight. I have seen few AA bullocks 650 at 20 months.

So I am commenting in General.

john p mc g

I reared two angus and hereford calves and they got whole milk for first three months kg of nuts every day of their lives at 17 months they were 430 average. I must be doin something wrong long way off 600kg

Striff

lakill Farm wrote: »

with a client last night and he showed me 40 angus heifers he has in the shed. there tight 20months old and approx 600kg to 700kg .

All are aax on cards but he isn't part of the angus bonus. IS it to late? where would he go? also how much a kg is it worth? (He is bord bia approved already)

any other info please. Not killing till January I think he said

You'd be hip deep in shoite with dem big WANs though

pat73

Just to follow the theory of getting bucket fed angus hefiers to 600kg.I killed bucket fed april 2012 angus hefiers last Thursday.Biggest one killed out at 298.51 cold weight and smallest at 263.23 cold weight.all out of holstein cows.In the last month I killed british fresians bullocks and they averaged between 300 and 330kg cold weight.All march and april of 2012 bucket fed calves.All got powder milk and plenty ration the first year and for the last 5 or 6 weeks got around 5kgs of ration each.Was on good grass then silage,hay and molasess.It can be done but not sure about the profit part of it.Between buying them and feeding i was prob a busy fool.I just didn't want to winter them for a second time.

john p mc g

pat73 wrote: »

Just to follow the theory of getting bucket fed angus hefiers to 600kg.I killed bucket fed april 2012 angus hefiers last Thursday.Biggest one killed out at 298.51 cold weight and smallest at 263.23 cold weight.all out of holstein cows.In the last month I killed british fresians bullocks and they averaged between 300 and 330kg cold weight.All march and april of 2012 bucket fed calves.All got powder milk and plenty ration the first year and for the last 5 or 6 weeks got around 5kgs of ration each.Was on good grass then silage,hay and molasess.It can be done but not sure about the profit part of it.Between buying them and feeding i was prob a busy fool.I just didn't want to winter them for a second time.

Good goin boss when did you squeez the fr

Farmer Pudsey

pat73 wrote: »

Just to follow the theory of getting bucket fed angus hefiers to 600kg.I killed bucket fed april 2012 angus hefiers last Thursday.Biggest one killed out at 298.51 cold weight and smallest at 263.23 cold weight.all out of holstein cows.In the last month I killed british fresians bullocks and they averaged between 300 and 330kg cold weight.All march and april of 2012 bucket fed calves.All got powder milk and plenty ration the first year and for the last 5 or 6 weeks got around 5kgs of ration each.Was on good grass then silage,hay and molasess.It can be done but not sure about the profit part of it.Between buying them and feeding i was prob a busy fool.I just didn't want to winter them for a second time.

It pays to feed ration in the first year, however few do it. Giving calves 1.5kgs/day from May to October inclusive would cost less than 100 euro (80 when feed ration costing250/ton). If these calves were on good grass they should do over 1kg/day and would be over 300 at housing. At the end of the winter they be 400kg ish. It is then possible to get them to hit 600kgs.

However they would have to have the breeding in them to do this. Your heifers would have been about 530kgs LW killing 280 average DW. The Friesians would be over 600kgs I say about 630kgs. However as John P pointed out you would get a lot that are a way less than that as well.

At a Teagasc night lately they were giving Friesians to kill 280kgs at 20 months and taking it that they were well done. You would want to be buying serious calves and be very good at it to average these sort of gains.

pat73

john p mc g wrote: »

Good goin boss when did you squeez the fr

Around the 12 months maybe 13 months.Prob would not leave it as long next time.With bucket fed calves they are quiet and playfull when small but a nighmare when they are around twelve months old and u are trying to get to the trough with a bag of ration.before i squeezed them i had to drive the jeep up to the trough for safety reasons.I used to walk down the field with a bag of ration on my shoulder and waving a stick all around me to keep them from attacking me for the ration.I had problems squeezing some of them right so maybe il have a go sooner than the twelve months.They did thrive good when they were bulls.

Sharpshooter82

pat73 wrote: »

Around the 12 months maybe 13 months.Prob would not leave it as long next time.With bucket fed calves they are quiet and playfull when small but a nighmare when they are around twelve months old and u are trying to get to the trough with a bag of ration.before i squeezed them i had to drive the jeep up to the trough for safety reasons.I used to walk down the field with a bag of ration on my shoulder and waving a stick all around me to keep them from attacking me for the ration.I had problems squeezing some of them right so maybe il have a go sooner than the twelve months.They did thrive good when they were bulls.

ive a few AA bull calves was thinking of squeezing them around 10-11 months

Farmer Pudsey

Sharpshooter82 wrote: »

ive a few AA bull calves was thinking of squeezing them around 10-11 months

I usually carry weanlings as bulls over the winter then leave them out for 2-3 weeks and then squeeze. Trick with squeezing is to leave up the crush and squeeze from the back one by one they seem to be less stressed than in the head gate. After squeezing keep in small paddock feed 1-2 kgs for 10 days and they tend not to go back too far

Sharpshooter82

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I usually carry weanlings as bulls over the winter then leave them out for 2-3 weeks and then squeeze. Trick with squeezing is to leave up the crush and squeeze from the back one by one they seem to be less stressed than in the head gate. After squeezing keep in small paddock feed 1-2 kgs for 10 days and they tend not to go back too far

Thats how i do it myself, was gonna wait till they were out of the shed

pat73

I meant to put in my last thread that the angus bulls were pretty ok .They were lively but it was the fresians that were the nutters.U could not turn ur back on them.

Sharpshooter82

pat73 wrote: »

I meant to put in my last thread that the angus bulls were pretty ok .They were lively but it was the fresians that were the nutters.U could not turn ur back on them.

ill second that, have two here and would jump around like mad when i arrive with the bucket

Farmer Pudsey

AA as they get older would fight with there nails. I have as both as bulls to over 24 months of age and I consider AA the most dangerous as they get older. Friesians are physically large especially as you may have ones born in Jan/Feb where as AA may be March April born and slower to develop. So at turn out an AA may be barely 12 months while a Friesian may be nearly 15 months old.

Bellview

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

AA as they get older would fight with there nails. I have as both as bulls to over 24 months of age and I consider AA the most dangerous as they get older. Friesians are physically large especially as you may have ones born in Jan/Feb where as AA may be March April born and slower to develop. So at turn out an AA may be barely 12 months while a Friesian may be nearly 15 months old.

One of the challenges with the later aa calves is most probably easy calving bulls from heifers which is understandable for dairy man as milk is priority but means calves are late developers and often poor quality. Aa breed need to move back to some of the 'softer' type as will work better for all... Some of the recent Scottish influence has only lengthened gestation period not helping calving for dairy folks

Bellview

mikeoh wrote: »

Ring the Irish Aberdeen Angus society they are after setting up a new Angus beef group....no membership fee just book cattle in with one of the factories they are doing it with,....................this is different to the Irish Angus society " Angus producer group" which has been set up a few years ago and u have to be a paying member........there was ad in the back of the journal a few weeks back and I rang the agent its a very straight forward way of doing it no minimum number ..book cattle in same week as u kill them etc. But u think I can find the number now......remember its the Irish AA soc not the Irish angus

As no membership hope traceability is strong otherwise there is risk of longer term damage to sell price also must be a headache for their customers as no guaranteed supply if booking and killing in a week.. The older group was set up over 20 years ago and is the only scheme with a society certification in Ireland

Bellview

TUBBY wrote: »

Iakill, he can talk to Liffey Meats/ Slaney Meats or Dawn. Any of these give 10-15c bonus for Angus and there is no pre-booking of 100 days etc.
Gerry Smith is the Angus society Rep (dont have a number for him but google him) and if he talks to him, he will get them booked in. membership is free with this society.

With the other society that deal with AIBP and Kepak, you need to have 100 days notice for the larger bonus and there are more conditions regarding previous owners etc.

Name quoted above is not angus society rep as he is farm mgr with a well known airline angus herd.. Charlie smith is the chief exec of the angus society scheme that was formed over 20 years ago

TUBBY

Bellview wrote: »

Name quoted above is not angus society rep as he is farm mgr with a well known airline angus herd.. Charlie smith is the chief exec of the angus society scheme that was formed over 20 years ago

he is contact for the second society that does not require prebooking. Sold few cattle through him. His name and number were on the leaflets in the ploughing for that society as the guy to ring.

Charles smith is contact for the society with the better bonus but also prebooking read which didn't suit op.

Bellview

TUBBY wrote: »

he is contact for the second society that does not require prebooking. Sold few cattle through him. His name and number were on the leaflets in the ploughing for that society as the guy to ring.

Charles smith is contact for the society with the better bonus but also prebooking read which didn't suit op.

fair point but I would still contact one with better bonus especially as bord bia certified... worth a try for the better bonus!

feartuath

I bought an Angus bull calf from a dairy herd late last November ,he was less than a day old and was put under a heifer that lost calf ,she took to him immediately and he cost me €125.
He weighed 310kgs in September and was making 650 in Ennis mart,my limousine made 920 at 350kgs before that so I brought him home.
Now what will I do with him ,he is in pen with other weanlings on about 2kgs of meal,I had thought to keep him as a teaser bull because he is always following cows and has a real bulls head on him but could be get too aggressive .
What would it take to finish him as bull beef or is there a market for him now .
What sort of bonus would he bring and what weight,age would he have to be.

Mad4simmental

Nothing like rushes to put weight on cattle if they lie out there for a few months and you cannot find them to Tag them.

Haaa, yep that's what I was thinking to.