Bothár - Communist Cows

Filibuster

I'm sick of hearing the feckin Bothár Christmas ads already. I think it's a stupid charity and a stupid idea that will just do more harm than good to the countries they're supposedly trying to help. Giving free cattle (Irish cattle, not even locally sourced) is just going to destroy the local market prices and domestic growth. The communist nonsense continues when they expect the receiving family to hand off the new born calfs...

Bothár refuse to disclose the salary of their CEO.


If your going to donate to a third world charity, pick one that focuses on healthcare and water quality.

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Fred Swanson

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Karl Stein

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Those socialist fire stations are hotbeds of reactionary communism.

feargale

Beware of Communist infiltration of the farming community. They are ripe for revolution.

kneemos

How many animals could they buy locally for the cost of shipping from Ireland.
They do chickens and bees as well apparently.

Femme_Fatale

ITT: Someone has discovered the word "communist" and is using it to try and look smart.

hfallada

They over Irish animals as Irish cows produce more milk than their ****ty ones. But I can't understand why charities don't teach them family planning as their governments don't do it. We give money to Uganda for development, but yet the average women has 7 children. Countries like Iran and china used family planning to kick start economic growth and it worked.

endacl

feargale wrote: »

Beware of Communist infiltration of the farming community. They are ripe for revolution.

The right apparatchik would have the pick of the crop.

131spanner

Filibuster wrote: »

Bothár refuse to disclose the salary of their CEO.

Not meaning to be that guy, but the fada is meant to be on the other vowel...

As for cows being communist, I'm pretty sure that bovines don't have a political agenda?

endacl

131spanner wrote: »

As for cows being communist, I'm pretty sure that bovines don't have a political agenda?

Have you read Animal Farm? Bothar send pigs too, don't they...?

fasttalkerchat

hfallada wrote: »

They over Irish animals as Irish cows produce more milk than their ****ty ones. But I can't understand why charities don't teach them family planning as their governments don't do it. We give money to Uganda for development, but yet the average women has 7 children. Countries like Iran and china used family planning to kick start economic growth and it worked.

China aren't exactly a shining example of how to family plan.

magma69

Should have used this for their ad campaign instead. Send them cows over and freak out the Africans!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY

Marcusm

Surely this would be Bóthar? The standard of Irish is sadly lacking, more so when the poster tries to do it right but simply fails to comprehend the purpose of the sine fada.

biko

Filibuster wrote: »

If your going to donate to a third world charity, pick one that focuses on healthcare and water quality.

You can't tell me what to moo.

SEPT 23 1989

I would donate €1000.00 if they killed the fcuking goat:mad:

fishy fishy

i did this one year.. however, i was then bombarded, and i mean bombarded with very high quality, high gloss brochures top of the line stuff, every few months.

I decided then I would never give them another penny (or animal).

kneemos

Marcusm wrote: »

Surely this would be Bóthar? The standard of Irish is sadly lacking, more so when the poster tries to do it right but simply fails to comprehend the purpose of the sine fada.

Mien Furher is right.

Mod

Grammar Naziism isn't allowed - even with Irish.

I know, shock horror :eek:

gobnaitolunacy

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I would donate €1000.00 if they killed the fcuking goat:mad:

They had another ad where the irritating fcukwit is giving milk.....he's a fcuking male goat!

gobnaitolunacy

endacl wrote: »

Have you read Animal Farm? Bothar send pigs too, don't they...?

They'll get people smarts and exploit Africa for its mineral resources.

5live

Filibuster wrote: »

I'm sick of hearing the feckin Bothár Christmas ads already. I think it's a stupid charity and a stupid idea that will just do more harm than good to the countries they're supposedly trying to help. Giving free cattle (Irish cattle, not even locally sourced) is just going to destroy the local market prices and domestic growth. The communist nonsense continues when they expect the receiving family to hand off the new born calfs...

Bothár refuse to disclose the salary of their CEO.


If your going to donate to a third world charity, pick one that focuses on healthcare and water quality.

The average yield of local cows is about 300 gallons. The average yield of Irish cows is over 1100gallons.

Local cows have a 6 month lactation length. Irish cows have an 11 month lactation length.

The average local cow calves first at 3 years old. The Irish cow calves at 2 years old.

The local cows male animals produce carcase yields of c.200kgs at 30 months. Irish cows male calves produce over 300kgs at 30 months.

All the families that receive a cow get a lot of training on feeding and managing the cows and allows them to build up numbers quickly and produce food for their families own consumption and income from sale of surplus to feed clothe and educate their children. In return for this gift, they have to pass on the first heifer calf to another family in repayment for the first animal.

I visited a friend working in a related programme about 20 years ago and the difference this animal makes to a family is immense. There are queues of people waiting for an animal every year. Luckily most people can discern the truth of the matter.

I send out an animal myself every 3 or so years because i have seen the difference one animal can make to a family with absolutely nothing to their name.

keithclancy

IMO Africa would be much better off if the rest of the World would get its dirty greedy mitts off of its Natural Resources and leave it the fúck alone.

Sending a cow when you are raping the place is like giving a microwave to a homeless person.

Fred Swanson

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Kess73

feargale wrote: »

Beware of Communist infiltration of the farming community. They are ripe for revolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ogyip4TSis

Khannie

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Reminds me of the milking the bull scene from Kingpin.

Nonoperational

keithclancy wrote: »

IMO Africa would be much better off if the rest of the World would get its dirty greedy mitts off of its Natural Resources and leave it the fúck alone.

Sending a cow when you are raping the place is like giving a microwave to a homeless person.

It's an opinion, but there is so much corruption and incompetence that they at least need lots of help. I think it's a pretty big stretch to say that if everyone fecked off and left them alone they'd be fine.

wandatowell

stupid ad is stupid

IvyTheTerrible

5live wrote: »

The average yield of local cows is about 300 gallons. The average yield of Irish cows is over 1100gallons.

Local cows have a 6 month lactation length. Irish cows have an 11 month lactation length.

The average local cow calves first at 3 years old. The Irish cow calves at 2 years old.

The local cows male animals produce carcase yields of c.200kgs at 30 months. Irish cows male calves produce over 300kgs at 30 months.

All the families that receive a cow get a lot of training on feeding and managing the cows and allows them to build up numbers quickly and produce food for their families own consumption and income from sale of surplus to feed clothe and educate their children. In return for this gift, they have to pass on the first heifer calf to another family in repayment for the first animal.

I visited a friend working in a related programme about 20 years ago and the difference this animal makes to a family is immense. There are queues of people waiting for an animal every year. Luckily most people can discern the truth of the matter.

I send out an animal myself every 3 or so years because i have seen the difference one animal can make to a family with absolutely nothing to their name.

Would it not make more sense though to put money into breeding programmes for local breeds (that are more suited to climatic conditions) and giving those to the locals?

Frank Black

Totally mis-guided exercise which ties people into subsistence farming.
A charity run and funded by stupid people.

There's a lot we should be doing to try to alleviate poverty in Africa - sending over ****ing cows is not one of those things.

ruthloss

131spanner wrote: »

Not meaning to be that guy, but the fada is meant to be on the other vowel...

As for cows being communist, I'm pretty sure that bovines don't have a political agenda?

No?., ours can be a bit Bolshie
at times:D

I Heart Internet

hfallada wrote: »

They over Irish animals as Irish cows produce more milk than their ****ty ones. But I can't understand why charities don't teach them family planning as their governments don't do it. We give money to Uganda for development, but yet the average women has 7 children. Countries like Iran and china used family planning to kick start economic growth and it worked.

Gotta love the Chinese family planning alright - one-child-policy including a side of forced abortions.

China has realised that it now doesn't have enough (or won't have enough) workers to meet demand. Anyhoo, from a purely, cold-hearted, economics point of view, how does shrinking market size spur economic growth?

jammy_doughnut

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

ITT: Someone has discovered the word "communist" and is using it to try and look smart.

communism doesn't remotely apply here

charity or even philanthropy

my brother gave a cow last January and is planning to give another this coming January

5live

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

Would it not make more sense though to put money into breeding programmes for local breeds (that are more suited to climatic conditions) and giving those to the locals?

Not really. Their animals are well suited to local conditions but there is little animal husbandry involved with them. They are slow growing with poor milk yields and low quality. Fertility is poor and the animals are kept in poor conditions. It would take 20 years, imo, to get to the position where they could even contemplate a breed improvement programme. The Irish animals eliminate 50 years of breeding that they really dont have time or money to implement.

Also some of the Friesian animals from the irish cows are used as breeding bulls on the local animals which gives a crossbred animal which has a better yield of meat/milk than the local animals and also better adapted to local conditions/diseases than the irish animals.

April O Neill II

131spanner wrote: »

Not meaning to be that guy

Well you are. :P :pac:

IvyTheTerrible

5live wrote: »

Not really. Their animals are well suited to local conditions but there is little animal husbandry involved with them. They are slow growing with poor milk yields and low quality. Fertility is poor and the animals are kept in poor conditions. It would take 20 years, imo, to get to the position where they could even contemplate a breed improvement programme. The Irish animals eliminate 50 years of breeding that they really dont have time or money to implement.

Also some of the Friesian animals from the irish cows are used as breeding bulls on the local animals which gives a crossbred animal which has a better yield of meat/milk than the local animals and also better adapted to local conditions/diseases than the irish animals.

Very interesting.
But if, as you say, the animals are kept in poor conditions, are the Bothar donated animals also kept in poor conditions? By how much does that reduce their yield?

Paramite Pie

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me communist". Hélder Câmara

Just a little quote that came to mind. Most people don't know what communism is, including most Communists themselves. Heck even Karl Marx was against Socialism and Communism. He wrote books warning against an upcoming revolution, ironically triggering said revolution!!:p

In fact there's never been an actual communist country or regime. Except for Neolithic farmers, but the term was not in use then.

Now back to Africa. In East Africa, cattle is a source of wealth among the tribal people. Cattle are sold as a dowry for marriage. Most families make back their cows by marrying their daughters. If you have many daughters, your family can achieve more (cow related) wealth.

If you have many sons and few/no daughters, then the family goes broke. In that case many of the sons don't marry and go to work on the mines instead, making money for the corporations pillaging Africa's resources.

More cows means more farmers and less workers in mines. More cows also means less pressure to try to conceive more daughters. (hopefully)

keithclancy

Paramite Pie wrote: »

Now back to Africa. In East Africa, cattle is a source of wealth among the tribal people. Cattle are sold as a dowry for marriage. Most families make back their cows by marrying their daughters. If you have many daughters, your family can achieve more (cow related) wealth.

If you have many sons and few/no daughters, then the family goes broke. In that case many of the sons don't marry and go to work on the mines instead, making money for the corporations pillaging Africa's resources.

More cows means more farmers and less workers in mines. More cows also means less pressure to try to conceive more daughters. (hopefully)

I thought the whole point of a dowry was to get rid of a daughter.

5live

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

Very interesting.
But if, as you say, the animals are kept in poor conditions, are the Bothar donated animals also kept in poor conditions? By how much does that reduce their yield?

Thats where the management training comes in. They are taught how, what and when to feed the cows and how much also. The poorest are usually the ones getting the cows and they have little experience of keeping cattle so they are 'easier' to convince about a new way of feeding.

From the little experience i had, the cows are kept in a stall neat the family house. The cows are hand fed eg feed is brought in and pulped/shredded and fed to the cow. The dung is used to fertilise the veg plots of the family to improve the yield of these too. In one case i saw a farmer use a simple digester to pipe methane gas to his house for some cooking and light thanks to some help from a local agricultural college.

It does have a knock on effect on the local breeds also as they see improved feeding and management leading to better yields.