What scenario would be enough for you to protest?

veryangryman

Let's assume we have the day off. The free time with not cloud in the sky. And you are angry enough at the powers that be.

Would you still find a good reason not to protest and consider it pointless? If yes ok but why.


I see a lot of protest threads and minor ish protests but they are always anbeaten down by the lethargic. I am at the conclusion that some will just not protest even if it affected them badly

hmmm

The millionth AH thread by some immature socialist type who wants a pointless protest would be enough to make me protest.

veryangryman

hmmm wrote: »

The millionth AH thread by some immature socialist type who wants a pointless protest would be enough to make me protest.

Finally! We're getting through to you thickos!

Iwasfrozen

Nothing would make me protest. Protests are pointless.

Napper Hawkins

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Nothing would make me protest. Protests are pointless.

Most definitely in this country. I'd be all for protesting, but the scum just laugh at us and ignore us.

Nothing short of violence is going to change anything and we would most likely make a balls of that too.

Just leave, fail country has failed.

pablomakaveli

God im getting sick of hearing this crap.

These people who label the Irish people idiots because they're not protesting or rioting really need to grow up.

The Greeks protested a lot and look how great it made things for them. Oh wait...

endacl

Came close there a couple of years ago when the spice burger was nearly done away with. I've never eaten a spice burger. I probably never will eat a spice burger. I'd like to have the option though. Principle of the thing, like.

loveBBhate

The amount of people that are unhappy with the way the country is run outnumber the amount of people who run the country in this way.

Realistically there is potential for a lot of fun to be had if we all did a mad bastid riot or something. YUP OU DAT!

jimmycrackcorm

I'd protest at cosetted overpaid blackmailing ESB workers if they go on strike.

MadYaker

Sometimes I think id enjoy a good riot! Might loot myself a few nice things for christmas as well!

Seriously though, I'm not sure what it would take to get me out on the streets. I think if our government tried to pass laws turn our country into some sort of malign totalitarian state or started to curtail our rights to freedom of speech or that kind of thing then id be out on the streets. But so far the recession hasn't affected me too badly so I don't really have anything to be angry about. But tbh I couldn't give a toss about the LPT or water charges or any of that crap that people seem to get so fussed about.

If I was an American living in America I would definitely be angry about the levels of surveillance by government organisations on the general public. Doesn't seem to bother any Americans I know though.

Courtesy Flush

Protests are pointless
Only violent revolution has proven successful throughout history

Hande hoche!

A screening of the passion of Saint Tibulus.

Dyr

pablomakaveli wrote: »

God im getting sick of hearing this crap.

These people who label the Irish people idiots because they're not protesting or rioting really need to grow up.

The Greeks protested a lot and look how great it made things for them. Oh wait...

You meant the 50% write down on debt that they got? Oh wait...


I love these threads, reminds me that not only are many irish people gutless but they're ****ing thick as well.

Legs.Eleven

pablomakaveli wrote: »

God im getting sick of hearing this crap.

These people who label the Irish people idiots because they're not protesting or rioting really need to grow up.

The Greeks protested a lot and look how great it made things for them. Oh wait...

Soooo then they don't work at all then. Right.


The Spanish have protested and although they haven't overthrown the government in power, they have won relatively big victories. Protests can indeed work if they're a regular thing.

Riamfada

I dont see the point in protesting. It only serves to get the TDs to go to work in a different entrance. I wouldnt say me spending a day outside Leinster House would even register on a politicians radar. If it did accomplish anything I would be there with bells on.

As stated above, historically, more often than not violent revolution is the only means of change. Protest is pointless.

wendell borton

Fap tax

danniemcq

I've protested a number of things over the years. Granted a lot of them came to nothing or it seemed nothing was achieved by them but I don't care. I was there for my beliefs in the subject and I know at a few of them having discussions with the public who were interested or wanted to know more made it worthwhile.

You have to remember that if thousands protest against something and it still goes ahead one of two things will happen. They'll either prove you wrong or they'll prove you right. If its the first one, fair enough. If its the second then its their turn to worry

renegademaster

veryangryman wrote: »

Let's assume we have the day off. The free time with not cloud in the sky. And you are angry enough at the powers that be.

Would you still find a good reason not to protest and consider it pointless? If yes ok but why.


I see a lot of protest threads and minor ish protests but they are always anbeaten down by the lethargic. I am at the conclusion that some will just not protest even if it affected them badly

at this extremly late stage it seems absolutely nothing will be bring the Irish general public to the streets, just look at all the corruption that's been proven locally, nationally and globally yet most still insist on keepin the head down and will throw up every conceivable excuse under the sun why they won't be joining any form of protest that happens against the most serious of problems with todays society

loveBBhate

At the end of the day it's who's in power and in charge that counts and that's it! If Mammy didn't want ya staying out after 9 when you were a childer, you didn't and it's no different now! We are not but powerless in modern day Ireland!

It's not the man or woman who work from dawn 'til noon to support the family that has a say, but 'tis the bashtards who have caused (given reason for protest) it who do!

Talking about it won't change a thing and byjaysus I'll tell ya if there are troops a rallyin' ... count me in!

pablomakaveli

Bambi wrote: »

You meant the 50% write down on debt that they got? Oh wait...


I love these threads, reminds me that not only are many irish people gutless but they're ****ing thick as well.

Ya im sure the protesters were the reason for that. Or maybe realistically it was to prevent a possible meltdown in the eurozone.

The thick, ****ing gutless Irish as you call them have been one of the success stories of the so called PIIGS nation. Maybe you should go join your Greek buddies and smash Athens up and see how much that'll help.

Seachmall

If the Gay Marriage referendum doesn't pass next year that'd be enough for me to protest.

It'd be evidence enough for me that democracy is a stupid system.

Usually fair, but often frustratingly stupid.

renegademaster

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

Most definitely in this country. I'd be all for protesting, but the scum just laugh at us and ignore us.

Nothing short of violence is going to change anything and we would most likely make a balls of that too.

Just leave, fail country has failed.

sadly, the elite laugh simply because there are nowhere near enough people on the streets protesting in Ireland at the same time or for long enough. i've had the pleasure of starting a few protests, been involved with the 3rd longest running occupy camp in the world, attended as many protests organised by many different demographics and no matter how serious the issue is the general public still do sweet FA about it. even when we do see 10000 show up for the socialist party gathering in dublin a few months ago or the 150,000 that showed up in dublin Nov 2011 to force fianna fail to call a general election immediately, that's it, one or two measly hours of protest and everyone fcuks off and with hindsight on my side don't bother to come together again at the same time for any reason, still to this day. most are defeated and couldn't even begin to imagine themselves brave enough to just say "they've had enough and want change yesterday", not tomorrow or within 6 months, or, like how we let OUR government kick our debts 40 years down the road, and with that, nothing ever changes!!

renegademaster

Seachmall wrote: »

If the Gay Marriage referendum doesn't pass next year that'd be enough for me to protest.

It'd be evidence enough for me that democracy is a stupid system.

Usually fair, but often frustratingly stupid.

the gay marraige referendum is your red line regarding going out protesting?!? no other issue that has been dropped on the masses would be even half a reason to protest in your view?? serious question

shruikan2553

Meh, not much point. If everything goes to plan I'll be in a position to leave the country

NuckingFacker

MadYaker wrote: »

Sometimes I think id enjoy a good riot! Might loot myself a few nice things for christmas as well!

Seriously though, I'm not sure what it would take to get me out on the streets. I think if our government tried to pass laws turn our country into some sort of malign totalitarian state or started to curtail our rights to freedom of speech or that kind of thing then id be out on the streets. But so far the recession hasn't affected me too badly so I don't really have anything to be angry about. But tbh I couldn't give a toss about the LPT or water charges or any of that crap that people seem to get so fussed about.

If I was an American living in America I would definitely be angry about the levels of surveillance by government organisations on the general public. Doesn't seem to bother any Americans I know though.

lol. That is all. Too funny. Don't pay your property tax and see how warm and fluffy the Irish state is. Or have a child with special needs - see how caring it is.

hatrickpatrick

These threads make me so sad Almost 100 years ago, the people of this country rose up to have their voices heard, and succeeded. If the same scenario existed today, those who joined the revolution would be a "fringe minority" and the majority of the people would have used words like "hippies" to describe them. :mad:

Riamfada

People vent on boards rather than all heading into town together. They didnt have the internet 100 years ago.

Call Me Jimmy

If some fat-chancer politican called me a lady I would protest a LOT. Possibly too much!

hungry hippo 4

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Nothing would make me protest. Protests are pointless.

The OAPS protests where quite successful!

renegademaster

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I'd protest at cosetted overpaid blackmailing ESB workers if they go on strike.

if i had a euro for evertime i heard this old chestnut!! i get sick in my fcuking mouth everytime i see this as someones reply on these issues. i've been verbally and seriously physically assaulted on the street during occupy by so many of my own people, and 99% of the time they were drunk out of their mind ignoramuses. it was an eye opener and i will never ever ever be able to look at society in an sweet innocent way ever again. i've seen the best and the absolute worst in average joe soaps these last few years, the latter so much that it made the solidarity shown amongst the Turkish people as they were being poisoned/beaten to death while protesting on their streets seem like a wet dream to me. Remember when their "leader" thought he was being smart be going on tv and telling all the women to go get their kids or husbands off the streets before the army and police go on their next rampage, i cried tears of joy that each and every single one of them left their houses immediately and formed human chains of mothers around all protestors across the whole country!! not one police or army knew how to deal with what the brave brave women had taken upon themselves to implement because it was the right thing to do. such carry on (solidarity!!) is only a pipe dream in this country

renegademaster

NuckingFacker wrote: »

lol. That is all. Too funny. Don't pay your property tax and see how warm and fluffy the Irish state is. Or have a child with special needs - see how caring it is.

you're tryin to reaosn with someone who's just posted "i'm alright, fcuk you jack" in a nutshell

same poster states "if"* he lived in the united stassi of america he'd be pi$$ed cos of the spying yet completely ignores the fact he's posting on boards, uses boards, skype, facebook etc or even considered a search on google but didn't actually go through with the search means the GCHQ has recorded every click along the way and happily passed it all onto the NSA and the rest of the 5 eyes!! the yanks are spying on us all, our very own government are happy servants to our yanky overlords, we are surrounded by bastards in power that shouldn't be left in charge of a fcuking goldfish for a long weekend!!

*jebus wept cos if my aunty had balls...

whupdedo

I would go protesting, but I'm just so fupin busy

Rewind one

Ireland isnt a ''real'' country,we are a nation of back stabbers we all know it,we are our own worst enemy and the people on this thread that criticize protesters are in a dreamland.

We could learn a thing or two from the french.

MajorMax

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

These threads make me so sad Almost 100 years ago, the people of this country rose up to have their voices heard, and succeeded. If the same scenario existed today, those who joined the revolution would be a "fringe minority" and the majority of the people would have used words like "hippies" to describe them. :mad:

Actually the number of people directly involved in the war of independence was tiny, they WERE a fringe minority, there were only 15,000 people in the IRA between 1919 and 1921, of whom no more than 3,000 were active at any one time. There were more Irish people in the RIC, Black & Tans, Auxiliaries and the British Army at that time

Irish people have a long history of not getting involved. I intend to carry on this proud tradition. However I would strongly consider protesting if the damned shinners ever get a sniff of power

Rewind one

MajorMax wrote: »

Actually the number of people directly involved in the war of independence was tiny, they WERE a fringe minority, there were only 15,000 people in the IRA between 1919 and 1921, of whom no more than 3,000 were active at any one time. There were more Irish people in the RIC, Black & Tans, Auxiliaries and the British Army at that time

Irish people have a long history of not getting involved. I intend to carry on this proud tradition. However I would strongly consider protesting if the damned shinners ever get a sniff of power

I believe he was speaking of the lockout and public service strikes etc.

hungry hippo 4

MajorMax wrote: »

Actually the number of people directly involved in the war of independence was tiny, they WERE a fringe minority, there were only 15,000 people in the IRA between 1919 and 1921, of whom no more than 3,000 were active at any one time. There were more Irish people in the RIC, Black & Tans, Auxiliaries and the British Army at that time

Irish people have a long history of not getting involved. I intend to carry on this proud tradition. However I would strongly consider protesting if the damned shinners ever get a sniff of power

I intend to carry on this tradition. You take pride in being a fcuking coward. It was probably your great grandmother spitting at collins.

hatrickpatrick

MajorMax wrote: »

Actually the number of people directly involved in the war of independence was tiny, they WERE a fringe minority, there were only 15,000 people in the IRA between 1919 and 1921, of whom no more than 3,000 were active at any one time. There were more Irish people in the RIC, Black & Tans, Auxiliaries and the British Army at that time

Irish people have a long history of not getting involved. I intend to carry on this proud tradition. However I would strongly consider protesting if the damned shinners ever get a sniff of power

15,000 is still a fair amount although I take your point - but did Average Joe regard them as "wasters" and "hippies"?

KyussBishop

I would go out and protest, if it were with a group I thought were informed enough about the crisis and its available solutions, that they could teach others and build momentum from the protest, into a bigger protest movement that people actually learn from and want to stay involved with based on what they learn; the more I learn about this myself, the more I want to do that, just don't think there is really an outlet for this here in Ireland (and am unsure of my ability to impart what I've learned, to others).

I think there's more than enough wrong with how countries/economies/societies across Europe are being run, with much better available solutions (which I believe are being intentionally avoided for political reasons), that if people were taught this with the right narrative, that they would actually care and would intrinsically want to become involved - anything less than this (an intrinsic desire to become and stay involved - driven by learning all that is wrong with how things are run, and the solutions), anything less will just lead to any protest movement fizzling out, in my view.


The problem is, right now a lot of people just don't care, and are blocked from learning or caring, by a lot of the FUD that is spread about how things are economically (a lot of that FUD successfully turns the public on themselves, in a way that is actually self-destructive, e.g. public vs private bullshít).
I don't know how to make people actually give a toss when most seemed apathetic at best, and many seem so determined not to care, that they'll try to drag others down for the temerity of giving a shít and learning/discussing solutions.

NuckingFacker

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

15,000 is still a fair amount although I take your point - but did Average Joe regard them as "wasters" and "hippies"?

Probably. Bord no moaners built a dump near us - at the time, a handful of people actually protested and picketed the site(and were derided for being "gobshytes"). I now have a pain in my face listening to the same detractors whinging about "how the fcuk did they ever get allowed to build that smelly kip???" Jesus wept.

renegademaster

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Soooo then they don't work at all then. Right.


The Spanish have protested and although they haven't overthrown the government in power, they have won relatively big victories. Protests can indeed work if they're a regular thing.

the spanish and portuguese protests are going so well world leaders have been quoted as saying pretty much that too much democracratic rights are being afforded to the people and letting them protest has to be legislated against!! what breaks my heart here is we haven't even begun to start fighting back proper and that's even after all the many small and medium random protest that have happened here since recession hit!! people just gave up before even trying!!

whupdedo

Seachmall wrote: »

If the Gay Marriage referendum doesn't pass next year that'd be enough for me to protest.

It'd be evidence enough for me that democracy is a stupid system.

Usually fair, but often frustratingly stupid.

So, should we take away people's right to vote on changes to the constitution or just the changes you agree with?

caustic 1

"WHAT DO WE WANT...WHEN DO WE WANT IT ...NOW"

renegademaster

Riamfada wrote: »

I dont see the point in protesting. It only serves to get the TDs to go to work in a different entrance. I wouldnt say me spending a day outside Leinster House would even register on a politicians radar. If it did accomplish anything I would be there with bells on.

As stated above, historically, more often than not violent revolution is the only means of change. Protest is pointless.

it wouldn't take many dedicated individuals to block all entrances to the dail. it's a big building but not that fcuking big we should never even try

MajorMax

renegademaster wrote: »

if i had a euro for evertime i heard this old chestnut!! i get sick in my fcuking mouth everytime i see this as someones reply on these issues. i've been verbally and seriously physically assaulted on the street during occupy by so many of my own people, and 99% of the time they were drunk out of their mind ignoramuses. it was an eye opener and i will never ever ever be able to look at society in an sweet innocent way ever again. i've seen the best and the absolute worst in average joe soaps these last few years, the latter so much that it made the solidarity shown amongst the Turkish people as they were being poisoned/beaten to death while protesting on their streets seem like a wet dream to me. Remember when their "leader" thought he was being smart be going on tv and telling all the women to go get their kids or husbands off the streets before the army and police go on their next rampage, i cried tears of joy that each and every single one of them left their houses immediately and formed human chains of mothers around all protestors across the whole country!! not one police or army knew how to deal with what the brave brave women had taken upon themselves to implement because it was the right thing to do. such carry on (solidarity!!) is only a pipe dream in this country

Fella, I'm sorry to have to be the one top tell you this, the Occupy movement was a complete joke, too many different agendas. Congratulations on wasting your time and public (my) money.

If you were verbally or physically assaulted, maybe that should have opened your eyes that the people weren't supporting you, in fact they were violently opposed to your aims.
If the average Joe soap or "ignorami" (Plural form of ignoramus) failed to live up to your expectations, then maybe your expectations are too high.
in addition, the 2013 Turkish riots were in opposition to planned urban developments for Istanbul, it escalated to include a protest on the recent ban on kissing in public and a curb on the sale of alcohol, what's that got to do with the pathetic occupy movement?

renegademaster

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Meh, not much point. If everything goes to plan I'll be in a position to leave the country

another "i'm alright so fcuk you jack"

hungry hippo 4

People are simply afraid to protest. We all know we are being bent over and rode but we choose to remain in the safety of our little lives. Being alienated by society is far worse than just getting on and paying these peoples debts. Society really has gone to ****. What kind of quality of life is that.

whupdedo

renegademaster wrote: »

another "i'm alright so fcuk you jack"

I'm alright too so.....you know the rest

MajorMax

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

15,000 is still a fair amount although I take your point - but did Average Joe regard them as "wasters" and "hippies"?

No I have to admit that the support for an independent Ireland was almost universal among the people as can be seen in the General election of 1918. But it's much harder to estimate what support the actual fighters had in the war of Independence as it brought great suffering to our people

Seachmall

renegademaster wrote: »

the gay marraige referendum is your red line regarding going out protesting?!? no other issue that has been dropped on the masses would be even half a reason to protest in your view?? serious question

Yup.

whupdedo wrote: »

So, should we take away people's right to vote on changes to the constitution or just the changes you agree with?

If there's a legitimate reason for people to be divided over an issue then let the masses decide. But when one side is void of any reason or legitimate argument then they shouldn't be dictating the lives of others.

renegademaster

Rewind one wrote: »

Ireland isnt a ''real'' country,we are a nation of back stabbers we all know it,we are our own worst enemy and the people on this thread that criticize protesters are in a dreamland.

We could learn a thing or two from the french.

this is the scene in Brittany lately, huge protests at a factory i worked in over there last year, they're shutting the factory down next march even though most of north brittany has worked there at one point or another over the last 30+ years!! solid people over there, fight on their feet and not dying a slow agonisingly embarrassing death genuflecting to the elite!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYt_vFIAoCI

i'd recomend ye watch the whole video from start to finish and realise what real men and women do when being unfairly treated
i guarantee ye won't believe your eyes at some of the exceptional lengths they go to be listened to and at their cost as well as the states!!

porsche959

Courtesy Flush wrote: »

Protests are pointless
Only violent revolution has proven successful throughout history

Force is the midwife.