Stupidity (achievement unlocked)

richymcdermott

I do not get the obsession with achievements or trophies and think they are a pointless fairytale make believe achievement that serves nothing and was just implemented for just adding some replay value to a game.

But its now gotten out of hand as people are paying money on ebay for a code to get the day one achievement for the xbox one :eek:


http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/11/xbox-one-day-one-achievements-can-now-be-bought-on-ebay/


in the words of Angry videogame nerd

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING ?

COYVB

richymcdermott wrote: »

people are paying money on ebay for a code to get the day one achievement for the xbox one

are they? or are people just listing them?

richymcdermott

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Xbox-One-Day-One-Achievement-Code-Email-Code-/121224140659?pt=Video_Games&hash=item1c39859773

there are 2 bids here and 9 on another one i found

maximoose

That is nuts, wish I had sold mine now :pac:

Achievement hunting can be fun. I like to go after ones based on game difficulty more than anything, f*ck the "Collect all 497 feathers" type crap though.

I got achievements for watching Netflix the other day, what is that about?

Skatedude

I have no time for achievements or trophy's in game myself. But i think the constant need to search every bloody drawer, desk and corpse is ruining modern gaming.

Bioshock games for instance, great game. but you have to constantly search everything just so you have enough ammo to proceed. It completely ruins the flow of the game

MadYaker

I don' the steam trading cards either.... everytime I play a game I get a few. Apparently I can sell them?

Cravez

MadYaker wrote: »

I don' the steam trading cards either.... everytime I play a game I get a few. Apparently I can sell them?

You can sell them on the market, generally a card goes for around 10c a piece. If the card if usually a less common one it can go a bit higher. Generally if you have cards for a game that isn't played by many people, the cards can go anywhere from 20c to into the euros.

Collecting the cards and crafting them gives you a background and a steam chat emoticon, some of these can sell for alot of money on the steam market if you get a particular one.

CastorTroy

Only reason i can see for getting the Day One achievement is if there are offers exclusive to those people. Like in XBox Live store, it checks to see if you have the achievement then gives you a discount.

calex71

CastorTroy wrote: »

Only reason i can see for getting the Day One achievement is if there are offers exclusive to those people. Like in XBox Live store, it checks to see if you have the achievement then gives you a discount.

o_O Oh really ?????? I didn't know this , any examples????

maximoose

I think he was being hypothetical. Good idea though.

calex71

maximoose wrote: »

I think he was being hypothetical. Good idea though.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww

deathrider

I actually just wrote a big old big about achievements last night. I love then, and work pretty damn hard to get them. They're fun, and supply my games with some extra replay value. I'm in the middle of going after the one in DmC for getting a SSS taking on each level in hard mode.

However, if they're now giving then away for watching and so on, then their reducing the value of achievements to nothing. It'll no longer represent things that's you've actually achieved.

Magill

I've no problem with them, never really do them... but i'd imagine they'd add a lot of replay value for some people.

Complete the game once.. enjoy it.
Complete the game twice.. getting all the achievements.

I know some people that loved them in world of warcraft ! Got them replaying older content, especially good for people who never played the game when it was current.

Banjo

They're a challenge for people who are looking for a challenge. They're a false sense of achievement in an artform that until quite recently was very much about the false sense of achievement. Amount A of Work = Reward B is a very satisfying mechanic for quite a lot of people.

I know some of the ones you get for firing a game up for the first time or reaching a key moment 10 minutes in seem stupid, but I suppose on release day it lets all your friends know that you got your game and are playing it, from the developer's point of view it creates a rolling stream of progress indicators that might - for example - generate sales if you have 3 friends all playing Game X and you can see that they're investing a lot of time into it. In that sense they have a point. Even the Netflix one - it presumably shows on your profile and everyone knows you've got netflix. It raises awareness. If that makes one or two more people check Netflix out then it's done it's job.

SmurfX

The way Sony are going with them and how Steam have been in listing the rarity of a particular achievement rather than attaching a fixed points value is much more "to the point" of what these things should be about. At the end of the day there's satisfaction in beating an optional boss that only 2% of owners have been able to get.
There's a bit of nonsense on the xbox side especially with the "day one achievement", pizza hut achievements and this one especially took the biscuit. http://www.avclub.com/article/xbox-one-will-reward-you-for-watching-five-kevin-j-105890
If its audience feels rewarded just by being told "this is a reward" then what can you do?

CastorTroy

calex71 wrote: »

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Sorry to disappoint.

Some achievements are fun like Portal 2

the part where he kills you

but at times it feels like lazy design. Make a short linear game that doesn't allow backtracking but then throw in a load of treasures to pad out the game

Mickeroo

Borderlands 2 has some of the best Achievements ever, and many of them you'll just stumble across while exploring.

Double Rainbow!!

Sonics2k

I've noticed a lot of Achievements on Steam barely qualify as actual Achievements.

Recently while playing a game I got an Achievement just for completing the opening quest. That was literally all I did. It was pointless, and there's so many more like it.

Some Achievements in some games are quite good or fun, I had a few in WoW which I was oddly proud off, namely the 250k PvP kills Achievement and Field Marshall rank.

Most of them seem like nothing more than a pointless time-sink that somehow suck basically intelligent people into playing for many more hours than they actually enjoy, just for a 1-second splash screen that congratulates you on wasting part of your life.

Pushtrak

deathrider wrote: »

However, if they're now giving then away for watching and so on, then their reducing the value of achievements to nothing. It'll no longer represent things that's you've actually achieved.

From what I understand they're 0 point achievements though. Is that not so?

Michael D Not Higgins

Sonics2k wrote: »

I've noticed a lot of Achievements on Steam barely qualify as actual Achievements.

Recently while playing a game I got an Achievement just for completing the opening quest. That was literally all I did. It was pointless, and there's so many more like it.

Most games have those opening quest achievements. The funny thing is when you check the achievement stats on Steam and see only 90% of people have that achievement.

Pushtrak

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

Most games have those opening quest achievements. The funny thing is when you check the achievement stats on Steam and see only 90% of people have that achievement.

Does it only start counting when someone plays? I guess it must because I'm sure loads of people buy things on Steam sales and don't play 'em. With the 360, TrueAchievements tracks achievements on games, as soon as someone gets the first achievement in a game, it tracks if you get any more. Loads of gamers only seem to bother getting the first in a lot of games they've played.

Michael D Not Higgins

Now that I think about it I don't think steam tracks achievements if you're offline so that could also contribute.

sarumite

Mickeroo wrote: »

Borderlands 2 has some of the best Achievements ever, and many of them you'll just stumble across while exploring.

Double Rainbow!!

Borderlands had some good ones also

"Be like an italian plumber" where you have to kill a skag by jumping on its head

sarumite

Pushtrak wrote: »

From what I understand they're 0 point achievements though. Is that not so?

Thats my understanding as well. you get an achievement but it isnt additive to your gamerscore.

calex71

sarumite wrote: »

Borderlands had some good ones also

"Be like an italian plumber" where you have to kill a skag by jumping on its head

Good times

Fawk Nin

I like the achievements for the ability to go into friends lists and see which games they have played and how far they got in them. Even though I know they are ultimately pointless I like comparing my lists with others to see what our opinions on games were.

Canis Lupus

I think achieves as they are are pointless. Now give me a system like Goldeneye had where it opens 'cheats' and I'd be all over achieves. God damn but I spent some serious time trying to complete levels to get them.

Sarky

The Stanley Parable makes you really work for those achievements. Some day I will get "It is impossible to unlock this achievement".

iColdFusion

I love achievements, they are a brilliant instant digital high five after you've struggled through a level on Veteran or whatever.
Battlefield 3 had some great ones like getting a kill with a Jet, Tank and assault rifle in one life or running someone over with the Skidloader


X1 achievements so far are a load of balls, not only forcing you to be online the whole time when they promised one update and you'd never have to go online again but Forza 5 has a load of poxey multiplayer and marketplace cheevos :mad:

Pushtrak

iColdFusion wrote: »

I love achievements, they are a brilliant instant digital high five after you've struggled through a level on Veteran or whatever.
Battlefield 3 had some great ones like getting a kill with a Jet, Tank and assault rifle in one life or running someone over with the Skidloader


X1 achievements so far are a load of balls, not only forcing you to be online the whole time when they promised one update and you'd never have to go online again but Forza 5 has a load of poxey multiplayer and marketplace cheevos :mad:

Don't they unlock when you go online? With the 360 achievements didn't matter till you went online.

ScumLord

I usually never go out of my way too much to beat achievements. They just pop up every now and again but I pay no attention to them.

There's a few good ones in Assetto Corsa, "beat the driver who shall not be named" (the Stig) he set a lap time on top gear with the Ferrari 458 on Imola. It's not easy to match his time though. They have a few historic lap times on certain tracks that you have to beat and they encourage you to get better at the game.

iColdFusion

Pushtrak wrote: »

Don't they unlock when you go online? With the 360 achievements didn't matter till you went online.

Not all of them, I played through the BF4 campaign offline and only got the ones for completing the levels when I went online, no score related achievements and no multiplayer weapons unlocked despite meeting the criteria, I had to go through the whole thing again.
It completely ruins the point of them if they don't unlock right away, you can't even see the achievement descriptions offline :mad:


What do you mean about the 360? It was at least two years before my launch console ever went online and cheevos worked prefectly.

Pushtrak

iColdFusion wrote: »

Not all of them, I played through the BF4 campaign offline and only got the ones for completing the levels when I went online, no score related achievements and no multiplayer weapons unlocked despite meeting the criteria, I had to go through the whole thing again.

Ah, that's a load of nonsense then. I was reading a couple of days ago there was some site to give feedback on the OS and stuff you want to see fixed in an update. There was some stuff there that apparently is already in the cards to be fixed, like seeing how much space you have left as a for instance. I'm sure this is something that would have been brought up.

What do you mean about the 360? It was at least two years before my launch console ever went online and cheevos worked prefectly.

Notifications, yeah, but they don't matter a damn until you go online.

Yakult

This is worse. $250 for the cardboard box AND achievement. Bargain!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Xbox-One-Day-One-Edition-Box-Only-Collectors-Item/111228824186?rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D261%26meid%3D3067513205843621313%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D1088%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D291027338124%26

Captain Chaos

iColdFusion wrote: »

What do you mean about the 360? It was at least two years before my launch console ever went online and cheevos worked prefectly.

MS changed their achievement system with the Xbox One, achievements won't pop when you are offline anymore, any you earn while offline will pop when you log into Live.