Convicted sex attacker whinges about being kicked out of his golf club

Foxhound38

I can barely believe I'm reading this horse manure.

Our boyo here rugby tackled his victim to the ground, then went on to physically and sexually assault them. He was convicted of this, and given a mostly suspended sentence.

And now he's in court moaning about being kicked out of his golf club and getting some adverse media attention - entirely due to his own vile actions?

And of course, scarce mention of the victim who he attacked, sexually assaulted and traumatized in the article.

The worlds most microscopic violin for him, and sympathy for his victim.

Maximus Alexander

Foxhound38 wrote: »

The worlds most microscopic violin for him, and sympathy for his victim.

Are you saying that you do feel a teeny, tiny bit sorry for him?

mitosis

Are the two incidents connected?

I am pie

Apparently surprised that sexual assault results in reputational damage.

Holsten

Was his sentence to be kicked out of his golf club? Nope.

srsly78

His relationship with his wife was affected apparently...

BillyMitchel

Should have stuck an 9iron up his hole while they were at it.

mikom

Why compete with a load of other men to get in the hole first when you can simply rugby tackle women to the ground, Anthony.

vicwatson

I'd like to hit him with a golf club

yizorselves

I'd rugby tackle him into oncoming traffic, whilst just getting out of harms way myself of course

SEPT 23 1989

Can't believe he still has the use of his legs to play golf

Riskymove

while I have no sympathy for him

It does have a touch of the vigilante/mob law about it....would they kick out anyone convicted of anything? etc

We have courts to deal with this

vicwatson

"The court deferred its decision to a later date"

I worry about things like this, when a judge goes off to "consider" things

BillyMitchel

Because he's a few quid he thinks he can challenge everything. Fock off you gimp.

Then moans that his family are children are being hounded by the media? He should have thought about them when he attacked that woman.

vicwatson

Riskymove wrote: »

We have courts to deal with this

And are obviously incapable of dealing with it

gramar

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Can't believe he still has the use of his legs to play golf

He doesn't need his legs. He has a driver.

justsomebloke

sorry but why the hell did the independent have to describe the woman as 'innoncent'? That just implies the victim could of been viewed as having done something wrong

shruikan2553

So he has worked out what he did has negative consequences for him and his family? Maybe he should have shown such consideration to his victim.

Riskymove

vicwatson wrote: »

And are obviously incapable of dealing with it

well, each of us can decide how we feel about sentencing etc

but my broader point is how far this kind of thing can go?

BillyMitchel

gramar wrote: »

He doesn't need his legs. He has a driver.

I laughed way to much at this!

SEPT 23 1989

Riskymove wrote: »

while I have no sympathy for him

It does have a touch of the vigilante/mob law about it....would they kick out anyone convicted of anything? etc

We have courts to deal with this

maybe the rest of the club felt that he might have another "irresistible urge"
on the golf course

Riskymove

Foxhound38 wrote: »

He was convicted of this, and given a suspended sentence.

BTW - just to clarify he got most of it suspended but did get a six month term in prison

The sentence is now, rightly imo, being reviewed

JimBrady

Riskymove wrote: »

while I have no sympathy for him

It does have a touch of the vigilante/mob law about it....would they kick out anyone convicted of anything? etc

We have courts to deal with this

Courts that suspend every sentence . Our legal system is a joke. Getting kicked out of golf club should be the least of his worrys. He should be castrated

foxyboxer

If he cares about his golf so much,
then why doesn't he pay green fees instead?

Gloomtastic!

Well Seanie Fitz is still a member of his club so it's good to know Golf Clubs do have limits!

stoneill

Riskymove wrote: »

while I have no sympathy for him

It does have a touch of the vigilante/mob law about it....would they kick out anyone convicted of anything? etc

We have courts to deal with this

But they didn't - he got 51/2 years suspended.

Zillah

Does the independent not have editors?

"Legal representatives for Lyons also the court their client has been “forced” out of his golf club"

"Evidence was also heard that Lyons had been suffered reputational damage".

I had been learned English.

I am pie

Golf clubs are private organisations, surprisingly enough the courts don't make rulings on which clubs you can join or not.

Thankfully those private clubs are free to decide who can be a member or not based on reasonable criteria, unsurprisingly being a convicted sex offenders contravenes a few club rules.

Of course, the usual suspects will find a way to defend the poor fella.

Some people are beyond help, and they aren't all former golf club members.

smileyj1987

Riskymove wrote: »

while I have no sympathy for him

It does have a touch of the vigilante/mob law about it....would they kick out anyone convicted of anything? etc

We have courts to deal with this

It's all down to the fact some places like golf clubs can have rules that state no one can be a member if they have previous convictions or convicted of a criminal offence .

srsly78

Zillah wrote: »

Does the independent not have editors?

They do, but they don't read so good.

kunst nugget

Riskymove wrote: »

while I have no sympathy for him

It does have a touch of the vigilante/mob law about it....would they kick out anyone convicted of anything? etc

We have courts to deal with this

A golf club deciding that it isn't worth the possible damage to their reputation by having him as a member is hardly mob law, is it?

Maybe the next time a well connected man is about to rugby tackle a girl and sexually assault her, they'll think twice because of the possible social death that could occur from the loss of his golf membership. Much worse than any custodial sentence…

Foxhound38

mitosis wrote: »

Are the two incidents connected?

One caused the other - that's why he brought it up in court when he was having his moan about how the sex assault he carried out cost him so very dearly :rolleyes:

jellyboy

What kind of a society are we trying to create when we condem and have mob rule to those that serve court appointed sentences ?

Even those that kill and maim people are left integrate in society after serving sentences

What about those convicted of war crimes that are left live "normal " lives ?

I'm not saying that the sentences are fair and just ,I'm saying how as a society do we begin to work with people who have abused ?

What about family's that have an abuser in there circle?

Before any judges or jury's of boards come to bear their weight on this post ..
I Come from the "abused" perspective ...

Riskymove

smileyj1987 wrote: »

It's all down to the fact some places like golf clubs can have rules that state no one can be a member if they have previous convictions or convicted of a criminal offence .

well if thats the case fair enough

Riskymove

kunst nugget wrote: »

A golf club deciding that it isn't worth the possible damage to their reputation by having him as a member is hardly mob law, is it?

my point is how far should that go?

and how many levels of punishment one should get for being convicted of something? Is it because this particular guy seems unpleasant?

I know this kind of offence is particularly abhorent to people...but should people be kicked out of organisations? jobs? ....homes?....in addition to doing time

Riskymove

stoneill wrote: »

But they didn't - he got 51/2 years suspended.

its being appealed

kunst nugget

jellyboy wrote: »

What kind of a society are we trying to create when we condem and have mob rule to those that serve court appointed sentences ?

Even those that kill and maim people are left integrate in society after serving sentences

What about those convicted of war crimes that are left live "normal " lives ?

I'm not saying that the sentences are fair and just ,I'm saying how as a society do we begin to work with people who have abused ?

What about family's that have an abuser in there circle?

Before any judges or jury's of boards come to bear their weight on this post ..
I Come from the "abused" perspective ...

I think the fact is that this case caught the public's interest because in essence, the judge allowed a well off man to buy himself out of a custodial sentence thus making light of a very serious assault. It highlighted the feeling that there's one law for the rich and one for the poor. I'm not advocating castration or call for him to be strung up but the guy deserved a longer custodial sentence for what he done and the sentence deserves to be reviewed.

srsly78

Riskymove wrote: »

my point is how far should that go?

and how many levels of punishment one should get for being convicted of something? Is it because this particular guy seems unpleasant?

I know this kind of offence is particularly abhorent to people...but should people be kicked out of organisations? jobs? ....homes?....in addition to doing time

Many of these places have some kind of clause about "bringing the organisation into disrepute".

Foxhound38

Riskymove wrote: »

BTW - just to clarify he got most of it suspended but did get a six month term in prison

The sentence is now, rightly imo, being reviewed

You are correct, editing my initial post

Holsten

kunst nugget wrote: »

I think the fact is that this case caught the public's interest because in essence, the judge allowed a well off man to buy himself out of a custodial sentence thus making light of a very serious assault. It highlighted the feeling that there's one law for the rich and one for the poor. I'm not advocating castration or call for him to be strung up but the guy deserved a custodial sentence for what he done and the sentence deserves to be reviewed.

He was in prison for 6 months.

What is even the point in jailing him now? Bowing to mob rule, that's the only reason.

Call Me Jimmy

yizorselves wrote: »

I'd rugby tackle him into oncoming traffic, whilst just getting out of harms way myself of course

Phew! That was a close one. I was sayin to myself 'yizorselves, nooooo' and then the relief that you will be alive and well to rugby tackle more sexual predators into traffic just washed over me :pac:

srsly78

Holsten wrote: »

He was in prison for 6 months.

What is even the point in jailing him now? Bowing to mob rule, that's the only reason.

Justice must be seen to be done, rich people are not supposed to get off lightly.

My name is URL

Foxhound38 wrote: »

I can barely believe I'm reading this horse manure.

Yet you inflict it upon everyone else

And now he's in court moaning about being kicked out of his golf club and getting some adverse media attention - entirely due to his own vile actions?

He's not in court moaning about anything, he's in court in relation to an appeal of his sentence and was presumably asked about what effects his conviction has had on his life. That's pretty standard in any appeal case.

The only ones making a big deal about him being booted from the golf club are the Indo. Gutter journalism as usual

kunst nugget

Holsten wrote: »

He was in prison for 6 months.

Sorry. I've updated that now.

Holsten wrote: »

What is even the point in jailing him now? Bowing to mob rule, that's the only reason.

The appeal by the DPP to the leniency of has been going on since the initial sentencing last year.

http://www.thejournal.ie/anthony-lyons-sentence-appeal-dpp-558444-Aug2012/

The one aspect of the case that got very little comment, and one that is very worrying is that he despite being almost caught in the act he will not accept what he has done, In court he tried to blame it on medication for a cold and blood pressure, and now he is upset that it has damaged his reputation.

He seem to completely lack any insight in to what he did and is still focusing on himself and how he feels, it says an a lot about his thinking.

michael999999

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

Well Seanie Fitz is still a member of his club so it's good to know Golf Clubs do have limits!

Ya, fitz and fianna fail raped the country!

Hitchens

My name is URL wrote: »

The only ones making a big deal about him being booted from the golf club are the Indo. Gutter journalism as usual

The golf club embarrassment is mentioned on RTE news as well

jellyboy

kunst nugget wrote: »

I think the fact is that this case caught the public's interest because in essence, the judge allowed a well off man to buy himself out of a custodial sentence thus making light of a very serious assault. It highlighted the feeling that there's one law for the rich and one for the poor. I'm not advocating castration or call for him to be strung up but the guy deserved a longer custodial sentence for what he done and the sentence deserves to be reviewed.

A lot of high profile cases of sexual assault are brought to the medias attention by groups and organisations who have other motives other than seeing justice done ..
And it's in their best interest to promote and give a sense of shame and point the finger at people who abuse

Media play there part in this over and over again ..nobody's says that hundred of thousand of people that have being abused in the past are being re traumatised by the negative and very graphic reporting

Never once have I read that people can and do recover from the most darkest of trauma

There are hundreds and thousands of cases a year of people getting lighter sentences and heavier sentences than this one ..

Indeed some cases don't make it to court

Wether she/he is rich ,poor ,black,white,green ,southsider,northsider has nothing to do with fact that people are convicted of a crime
And a person has to live with the effects of sexual assault

What I would like to see is a national debate on the effects of sexual assault on people who have been abused and their family's and how we as a nation can come together to lessen the effects of abuse

We as a nation cant even admit that women abuse ..

ScumLord

Foxhound38 wrote: »

And of course, scarce mention of the victim who he attacked, sexually assaulted and traumatized in the article.

The victim should be left out of any media article unless they expressly want to make a statement. They shouldn't get dragged into every non issue story about this guy.

Foxhound38

My name is URL wrote: »

Yet you inflict it upon everyone else

It's a news story, I didn't write it - take it up with them if you object to it being put in the national spotlight

Foxhound38

ScumLord wrote: »

The victim should be left out of any media article unless they expressly want to make a statement. They shouldn't get dragged into every non issue story about this guy.

Absolutely, and I completely understand not dwelling on the victim unless the victim wishes to make a statement. More making a point of the fact that what he did to the victim to put himself in this situation seems to be being treated in the article almost as an afterthought compared to his whinging about getting the boot from the golf club and getting a media hounding.

It dwells on the effects rather than the important cause (that he committed a obscenely serious offence), and left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth as a result - perhaps that's just my reading though