Think an electric motorbike would be rubbish??

Zascar

Think again...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1CSdYsJIWQ

100+ miles for an hours charging, for a few euro! Imagine how good they will be in 5 years or so.

More:
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/mission-motorcycles-mission-rs/
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-reviews/first-drives/2014-mission-rs-electric-motorcycle-first-ride-review

Mad expensive but that's normal, few years they'll come right down in price.

Wonda-Boy

I think I would miss the gurgle of my triple to be honest....dont like the lack of noise!

Zascar

I'm the same I love the noise, but I'd also love 100% torq and €1 fuel ups!

KTRIC

I'm enjoying the gurgle of a combustion engine as long as I can. When I need to buy an alternative fuel bike ill do it but only when I can't buy a petrol one.

BlackWizard

Responses to this are always interesting. Mostly it comes down to the lack of noise holding people back from saying they look forward to it.

I think this is remarkable. Most seem happy with the range, performance and looks. Cars seem to be years away but bikes like this are ready. They just need people buying them and reputation of reliability.

That price is not surprising. If built by a large manufacturer it should reduce and over time even more.

Wonda-Boy

Sure they are tearing up the TT on them already...quick as fook for most people.

Sh1tbag OToole

The battery technology isn't quite there yet.

For each one of them bought I wonder how many will be left on the original battery pack in 10 years time. The cost of the battery makes up a significant part of the price, there is probably 5 to 10,000e worth of batteries in it. Then every year you'll lose a few % of the range and if you're unlucky you'll need a bunch of cells replaced

Cuddlesworth

I'd be more interested if they experimented with the shape of the bike rather then follow the typical design that's based around a engine. I'd also like to see the motor housed in the rear wheel, less power delivery loss.

KwackerJack

Id love one.......

But the noise of my ZX7R with a micron can is to hard to walk away from!

CJhaughey

If you are going to buy one then buy it before the end of this year, E-bikes are currently Zero Vat rated until end of 2013

KTRIC

KwackerJack wrote: »

Id love one.......

But the noise of my ZX7R with a micron can is to hard to walk away from!

Likewise with the noise of a big bore V-Twin

Wossack

I'd still prefer a 60k petrol bike (or 4 at that price)

jimgoose

Zascar wrote: »

I'm the same I love the noise, but I'd also love 100% torq and €1 fuel ups!

Aye. I too am very much in love with the Gearbox Bagpipes, but the torque curves from electric motors are unreal. Table Mountain job. :cool:

Zascar

I bet they could somehow make it make loads of noise that could sound cool in a different way

Sh1tbag OToole

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

I'd be more interested if they experimented with the shape of the bike rather then follow the typical design that's based around a engine. I'd also like to see the motor housed in the rear wheel, less power delivery loss.

You would think so but the hub wheels can be quite inefficient compared to a frame mounted motor with chain or belt drive. They dont spin up fast enough and therefore would draw a lot of current taking off and at low speed. They also make the front wheel more likely to lift off the ground particularly uphill

bladespin

An electric bike can sound anyway you like TBH.

Hub mounted motor would handle like a bag of **** ever heard of unsprung weight?

positron

I would willing do many unmentionable things to anyone for a Brahmmo Empulse / Mission R etc.

Seriously - I can't wait for the technology to improve and production to ramp-up and prices to drop, because there is nothing more I hate than pulling over to petrol stations and handing out hard earned doh every few days. I spend like 120 on petrol a month. Mission R / Empulse etc can cut it right downt to 30 - 40 euro a month. Nearly €1000 saved a year!! I think it's really crazy that big guns like Honda etc are not on board with electric bikes.

positron

CJhaughey wrote: »

If you are going to buy one then buy it before the end of this year, E-bikes are currently Zero Vat rated until end of 2013

Is this not going to continue into 2014 and beyond?

Cienciano

Was going to say 100 miles is shíte, but then realised I'm thinking of getting a petrol bike with the same range!
Doesn't have a sexy noise from it, but to be honest, almost free fuel compared to petrol and very small maintenance costs I couldn't give a rats ass. Obviously it will take a few years for prices to come down and battery technology to get a bit better. And some real world tests to give real world ranges.

Wossack

100 mile range on a petrol bike isnt as prohibitive though, as you can get another 100 miles by spending ~5 mins in a petrol station

positron

Wossack wrote: »

100 mile range on a petrol bike isnt as prohibitive though, as you can get another 100 miles by spending ~5 mins in a petrol station

I think range issue has been blown out of proportion though - for instance I did 40000 miles in last 2.5 years, all in chunks of 30 miles at a time with 8 hours stay at work and 10-12 hours at home. And I think this would be the case for vast majority of commuters, which I would imagine are the vast majority of *regular* bike users. Others can just stay with dino-juice for now.

bladespin

Wossack wrote: »

100 mile range on a petrol bike isnt as prohibitive though, as you can get another 100 miles by spending ~5 mins in a petrol station

RAM charging and/or battery swap coming soon, it'll be quicker to refill the leccy bike than the petrol variety shortly.

Wossack

coming soon ©

:pac:

bladespin

Wossack wrote: »

coming soon ©

:pac:

So's €2 per litre :P

BlackWizard

bladespin wrote: »

RAM charging and/or battery swap coming soon, it'll be quicker to refill the leccy bike than the petrol variety shortly.

I like doing DIY things on my bike. But I don't think I would enjoy lifting a heavy battery in and out of the bike each morning.

what is RAM charging?

bladespin

BlackWizard wrote: »

I like doing DIY things on my bike. But I don't think I would enjoy lifting a heavy battery in and out of the bike each morning.

what is RAM charging?

How heavy is a standard in-line 4 compared to a battery?

RAM charging, ultra capacitors = super fast charging.

KenH

IMO the humming noise off electric vehicles sounds pretty cool.

KenH

Why would you have to lift the battery out at all....let alone every morning? The battery charges in the bike....which is in the garage.

BeerSteakBirds

I find it funny that the youtube advert advertised funeral services from masseys ... it's not that bad

daveyjoe

BlackWizard wrote: »

... Cars seem to be years away but bikes like this are ready...

Tesla would disagree with you and so would most people who have driven or reviewed them. The Model S has been voted the best car (including combustion engined cars) available in the $50-100k price range multiple times and is Consumer Reports' top-scoring car ever.

two wheels good

An elec. moto won the class of the Pikes Peaks Hillclimb in Colorado recently. In the thin air of high altitude (9k - 14k feet) it had a big advantage.

An elec. bike? Just think - no more messy oil changes, or tuning fuel mixtures, or "what oil" discussions, or worn cam chains and bent valves, leaking exhausts etc etc. (I know, I know - there will new and different service problems )

positron

two wheels good wrote: »

I know, I know - there will new and different service problems

But way few things to go wrong though - wheels / tyres, shocks & chain. Rest of the issues would be stuff like my console app crashed / new update is slow etc etc

As soon as these bikes become affordable (to me), I am buying one.

Wossack

two wheels good wrote: »

An elec. moto won the class of the Pikes Peaks Hillclimb in Colorado recently. In the thin air of high altitude (9k - 14k feet) it had a big advantage.

An elec. bike? Just think - no more messy oil changes, or tuning fuel mixtures, or "what oil" discussions, or worn cam chains and bent valves, leaking exhausts etc etc. (I know, I know - there will new and different service problems )

In fairness, it was the guy riding the elec bike who won the pikes pike. Incidentally he won it last year too, on a multistrada, and in a quicker time.

Zascar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WypZvsIj8-k

https://www.mission-motorcycles.com/r#buy

So far they start at $29k - but imagine when Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Ducati etc start making electric bikes - the technology will greatly advance, and the prices will come right down, interesting times ahead!

KTRIC

Just placed an order for the Mission R this morning, now the long long wait for delivery !!

KTRIC

Pffft, lads come on !! :rolleyes:

fenris, MonstaMash, Zascar, you should all be ashamed of yourselves !! :pac:

Zascar

Ehhhhh, I was thanking becasue I thought it was funny - I did not think you actually bought one!
Did the other lads?

KTRIC

Zascar wrote: »

Ehhhhh, I was thanking becasue I thought it was funny - I did not think you actually bought one!
Did the other lads?

We shall never know !!

Zascar

I still think you should buy one though, and then give me a go..

fenris

I was going to quote your "when there is no more petrol" post, I just had visions of you running out of juice on to of the gap and trying to hook up your phone battery to get another few meters:-)
I think there would be an element of the late night borderline minger about it, we would all laugh, slag you, then quietly ask what she was like.

I only drove a quiet bike for a month or two, but it just isn't right and artificial noise is a bit like the poor sad fcuks with turbo dump valve sounds being played out through speakers on mammys car.

I do like the idea of the electric power delivery curve though.

KenH

KTRIC wrote: »

Just placed an order for the Mission R this morning, now the long long wait for delivery !!

I thought the Mission was just a showcase vehicle. Where did you order it in Ireland?

MonstaMash

Zascar wrote: »

Ehhhhh, I was thanking becasue I thought it was funny - I did not think you actually bought one!
Did the other lads?

Envious of your monies

Zascar

KenH wrote: »

I thought the Mission was just a showcase vehicle. Where did you order it in Ireland?

He was joking. Looks here: https://www.mission-motorcycles.com/rs click buy to see prices etc

I wonder would you pay any import taxes etc? I'd hope not since its electric

MonstaMash

Zascar wrote: »

He was joking. Looks here: https://www.mission-motorcycles.com/rs click buy to see prices etc

I wonder would you pay any import taxes etc? I'd hope not since its electric

$56K-$79K :eek: :pac: :pac: :pac:

Zascar

The "R" version is a lot cheaper and still deadly: https://www.mission-motorcycles.com/r
$29k to $43k

Cienciano

fenris wrote: »

I was going to quote your "when there is no more petrol" post, I just had visions of you running out of juice on to of the gap and trying to hook up your phone battery to get another few meters:-)
I think there would be an element of the late night borderline minger about it, we would all laugh, slag you, then quietly ask what she was like.

I only drove a quiet bike for a month or two, but it just isn't right and artificial noise is a bit like the poor sad fcuks with turbo dump valve sounds being played out through speakers on mammys car.

I do like the idea of the electric power delivery curve though.

True, it wouldn't sound "cool", but if it worked as well as they say, it wouldn't be an issue for me.
Less maintanance, cheap to fuel, more power, better power delivery all outweigh the sound.
Outright price, availability, dealer network, battery performance in the real world (not what the manufacturers say), and battery life are all concerns for me though.

bladespin

Cienciano wrote: »

True, it wouldn't sound "cool", but if it worked as well as they say, it wouldn't be an issue for me.

An electric bike can sound anyway you want it to

Cienciano

bladespin wrote: »

An electric bike can sound anyway you want it to

True, but fake sounds are wrong imho.

galwaytt

Cienciano wrote: »

True, but fake sounds are wrong imho.

...which is about half the modded cars & bikes on the road as well tbh.....more 'show' than 'go' for most. A drainpipe exhaust does not an F1 car make

bladespin

Cienciano wrote: »

True, but fake sounds are wrong imho.

There's no such thing.

Cienciano

bladespin wrote: »

There's no such thing.

Well, "engine" sounds generated through a player and which come from a speaker then. Jasus, pedantic central around here.