post 2015

case 956

how many people intend milking and autumn calving during the winter months when quotas go

jaymla627

Will definitely be running a autumn calving herd probably 60-70 cows depending on what cows are being rolled-over, with a 100 in the spring i"d say seasonality deductions on may/June milk along with bonuses on winter milk will make it worth while.

Sam Kade

Autumn calving during the winter months

jersey101

Will continue with winter milk for next ten yrs then its bye bye. Hope to milk 150 here post 2015. Might be a few opportunities with surrounding tillage farms so if that happens i definitely wont be doing winter milk.
Its very hard to get the winter ones back incalf . And hard to keep to seperate groups of heifers, the autumn ones bully the spring heifers.

Timmaay

Hoping to stop wintermilk as soon as herd fertility allows also, I hope to avoid breeding the milk out of the cows as I do this however!

jersey101

Timmaay wrote: »

Hoping to stop wintermilk as soon as herd fertility allows also, I hope to avoid breeding the milk out of the cows as I do this however!

ive a fine je bull calf if ye want him he'll make a lovely herd for ye next summer

Timmaay

jersey101 wrote: »

ive a fine je bull calf if ye want him he'll make a lovely herd for ye next summer

In fairness them little JExs heifers I got knocked out more MS this year than a decent few of myown cows! But I just got to be more selective on which cows I breed from, and combined with that, plenty of AI bulls out there with both very high production and fertility, no need to compromise.

BTW, how much will you be paying me to take the JE bull off your hands?? I take it you'll deliver him up and all?

jersey101

Timmaay wrote: »

In fairness them little JExs heifers I got knocked out more MS this year than a decent few of myown cows! But I just got to be more selective on which cows I breed from, and combined with that, plenty of AI bulls out there with both very high production and fertility, no need to compromise.

BTW, how much will you be paying me to take the JE bull off your hands?? I take it you'll deliver him up and all?

will i what ?? :P the sorts herd imgoing for here is a 5000-6000l cow with the same % fat and protein as a JE, out of an FR though, that will be a rare cow

Timmaay

One thing about MS that people sort of forget is that a JE mainly gives massive amounts of BF, whereas protein is the big payer when it comes to the A+B-C payment scheme. Thats one reason I'll probably stick with the FRs. I'll try approaching my idea cow, (a mostly FR knocking out 7kL at 4% f, 3.6% p, calving every feb) from two angles, by breeding abit of milk, and some protein back into the Jexs, and on the other side by improving both solids and fertility in myown HOs. Will be interesting to work out which gets there quicker, and then which makes more profit.

jersey101

Timmaay wrote: »

One thing about MS that people sort of forget is that a JE mainly gives massive amounts of BF, whereas protein is the big payer when it comes to the A+B-C payment scheme. Thats one reason I'll probably stick with the FRs. I'll try approaching my idea cow, (a mostly FR knocking out 7kL at 4% f, 3.6% p, calving every feb) from two angles, by breeding abit of milk, and some protein back into the Jexs, and on the other side by improving both solids and fertility in myown HOs. Will be interesting to work out which gets there quicker, and then which makes more profit.

well my herd has come from je and gone to fr and frx we still have good solids but lost a bit along the way. If i pick good high solid bulls ill get it back. The BF last month was 5.03 and PR was 3.89. ATM the average herd yeild is 5100 so if i could keep it there and bring in more PR id be in business

mahoney_j

Will definitely be moving up in nos post 2015 but it will be gradual.will get to 100 maby 110 if I could constantly grow 14 tonnes of grass per he.will be sticking with. My Holsteins though and am aiming for an 8 k a year cow shoving out 600 kg of milk solids on up to 1.5 tonnes of concentrate.i have an itch that needs scratching though as regards having some purebred jerseys or Ayrshires and would consider about 10 to 14 of them,and no I won't be x breeding them!!as for winter milk I think I will take the plunge and apply for some liquid quota

jersey101

mahoney_j wrote: »

Will definitely be moving up in nos post 2015 but it will be gradual.will get to 100 maby 110 if I could constantly grow 14 tonnes of grass per he.will be sticking with. My Holsteins though and am aiming for an 8 k a year cow shoving out 600 kg of milk solids on up to 1.5 tonnes of concentrate.i have an itch that needs scratching though as regards having some purebred jerseys or Ayrshires and would consider about 10 to 14 of them,and no I won't be x breeding them!!as for winter milk I think I will take the plunge and apply for some liquid quota

What about gurnseys? There very popurlar in the uk, not many here i think

keep going

case 956 wrote: »

how many people intend milking and autumn calving during the winter months when quotas go

I'll milk what ever I have grass for and I will never milk for the winter unless fertility goes totally tits up

mahoney_j

Will definitely be moving up in nos post 2015 but it will be gradual.will get to 100 maby 110 if I could constantly grow 14 tonnes of grass per he.will be sticking with. My Holsteins though and am aiming for an 8 k a year cow shoving out 600 kg of milk solids on up to 1.5 tonnes of concentrate.i have an itch that needs scratching though as regards having some purebred jerseys or Ayrshires and would consider about 10 to 14 of them,and no I won't be x breeding them!!as for winter milk I think I will take the plunge and apply for some liquid quota

mahoney_j

jersey101 wrote: »

What mabout gurnseys? There very popurlar in the uk, not many here i think

Never heard of them jersey,if I ever had to pick anything out side of fr to milk it would be the pure jersey or Ayrshire.i must google guernseys never heard of the

jersey101

mahoney_j wrote: »

Never heard of them jersey,if I ever had to pick anything out side of fr to milk it would be the pure jersey or Ayrshire.i must google guernseys never heard of the

there a bit bigger than JEs with a higher yeild

mahoney_j

jersey101 wrote: »

there a bit bigger than JEs with a higher yeild

Interesting,a guy near me bought 5 pure jerseys over from England around this time last year ,calved in feb and been dried of next week ,they'll have milked about 6300 litres at 5.1 fat and 4.14 protein as a third calvers.thats the type of jersey I'm after!

jersey101

mahoney_j wrote: »

Interesting,a guy near me bought 5 pure jerseys over from England around this time last year ,calved in feb and been dried of next week ,they'll have milked about 6300 litres at 5.1 fat and 4.14 protein as a third calvers.thats the type of jersey I'm after!

there in the the english abs catalouge if ye want to have a look at them. There probably Danish JEs they give a good drop of milk. Were starting recording this year so ill find what the cows are like here

mahoney_j

jersey101 wrote: »

there in the the english abs catalouge if ye want to have a look at them. There probably Danish JEs they give a good drop of milk. Were starting recording this year so ill find what the cows are like here

There was 2 Dutch bred and 3 Canadian.super lookin ainmsls .on milk recording I'd say you'll be surprised in a good way as I remover somewhere that you've a few cows north of 200 ebi.something really worthwhile doing and the info u get back per cow is invaluable

Greengrass1

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/new-zealand-work-placement-proves-to-be-great-learning-experience-154326/
A good read. I'd say a lot if Irish farms will be similar in operation to this one in nz

bob charles

Greengrass1 wrote: »

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/new-zealand-work-placement-proves-to-be-great-learning-experience-154326/
A good read. I'd say a lot if Irish farms will be similar in operation to this one in nz

:eek: Student going over for 6 months placement - "I was employed as a Production Manager. I was responsible for the day to day running of the farm"

I assume he is being creative in his job title:o

Greengrass1

bob charles wrote: »

:eek: Student going over for 6 months placement - "I was employed as a Production Manager. I was responsible for the day to day running of the farm"

I assume he is being creative in his job title:o

Dunno tbh was a programme on s4c last week about a large organic dairy farm in Wales.
Your mans wife spent 3 yes in nz. She said what she did was look after farms while the owners went away. She would arrive on farm in morning and owner be gone by none. All she would ask what his rotation was and what time milking was at

sheebadog

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Dunno tbh was a programme on s4c last week about a large organic dairy farm in Wales.
Your mans wife spent 3 yes in nz. She said what she did was look after farms while the owners went away. She would arrive on farm in morning and owner be gone by none. All she would ask what his rotation was and what time milking was at

Hmmmmmmmmm.

darragh_haven

sheebadog wrote: »

Hmmmmmmmmm.

Indeed

bob charles

sheebadog wrote: »

Hmmmmmmmmm.

erra what harm would a cow treated with antibotics being milked be anyway. It would be the first question I would ask if put milking. different attitudes suppose

delaval

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Dunno tbh was a programme on s4c last week about a large organic dairy farm in Wales.
Your mans wife spent 3 yes in nz. She said what she did was look after farms while the owners went away. She would arrive on farm in morning and owner be gone by none. All she would ask what his rotation was and what time milking was at

Well it wouldn't happen here, that's for sure

Timmaay

A young lad I know spent a year in Tanzania, working on a 1000cow grass system. He arrived over in the middle of the serious drought there 2yrs ago. By the sounds of it the farm was in a total mess, cows being walked up to 6km to find grass, the staff turnover was ridiculous, so the chap quickly moved up the ranks to management level! He decided to dryoff 250 of the worst milking cows, as they were being overwalked anyways, and it allowed the rest of the cows get more grass. The total milk collected for the 750cows was more than the 1000cows as a result! He said the farm was loosing money hand over fist, but the owners had very little direct dairying experience and were dependent on mangers to run the show.

Ok how much truth there is to this full story I don't know, but I like to think that friend isn't the sort of person who would tell me a bullsh*t story ha!