Leaving tips in cafes - pay at till or give to waitress

Warper

When eating out in cafes/restaurants i always leave my tip at the checkout. Do you leave tip at checkout or give to waitress. Concerned that sometimes in small cafes the person at the checkout if the manager/owner and might just add to the general takings for the day. The drama

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Warper wrote: »

When eating out in cafes/restaurants i always leave my tip at the checkout. Do you leave tip at checkout or give to waitress. Concerned that sometimes in small cafes the person at the checkout if the manager/owner and might just add to the general takings for the day. The drama

i always hand my tip to the waiter/waitress... paying at the til means the manager more than likely gets it

Mint Aero

I don't give em any tips.

April O Neill II

On the table.

shruikan2553

In one place I worked all tips were put together and divided out between everyone. If you leave it on the table or gave it at the till it went to the same place.

Artful_Badger

Dont get the obsession with tipping. All you're doing is giving money away. Why not give it to charity or people who actually need it.

Hannibal Smith

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Dont get the obsession with tipping. All you're doing is giving money away. Why not give it to charity or people who actually need it.

The waitress might need it...and she may just have worked that little harder to make your day a little better.

wazky

Hannibal Smith wrote: »

The waitress might need it...and she may just have worked that little harder to make your day a little better.

Do you tip shopkeepers, road sweepers, etc for doing their jobs too?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

I always give tips to the waitress.

"You should wear a lower cut top."

"There's no need for tights today love."

"You'd be more comfortable without that bra sweetie."

This is before I get blind drunk towards the end of the night.

I then start giving her tips on how to make it big in the States and how my new invention will make me a millionaire while holding her hand so she can't get away.

I know once I leave I will have enriched her life many fold with my pearls of wisdom ringing in her ear.

Boombastic

I rarely leave tips. I have seen it behind te scenes when I was younger. The longest staff there got the biggest split, with the person who actually served the food got nothing, turned me right off tipping. Places charge enough for stuff without overpaying...

lahalane

I havent been in a cafe for ages but do we tip now? And if so...why?

Artful_Badger

Hannibal Smith wrote: »

The waitress might need it...and she may just have worked that little harder to make your day a little better.

Unlike every other person in every other job who you interact with regularly ? Maybe she needs it maybe she doesnt, maybe the cashier in Tesco's needs it, maybe the petrol station attendant needs it.

Why are serving staff the only people who are seen to go above and belong for doing their job, the only ones who may need some extra cash or the only ones who deserve to be paid to smile at ya ?

If people want to hand away money to a select group of workers then thats their business. But personally I dont get it. Now I'm out of here before Madsl arrives to dig the trenches and defend all things American.

Boombastic

lahalane wrote: »

I havent been in a cafe for ages but do we tip now? And if so...why?

Celtic tiger hangover and some like to pretend they are Americans because they think it makes them look sophisticated......that is all

touts

The tip culture is a bit of a joke to be honest. If you go in to buy a car you don't slip the sales man a couple of grand extra. If you do your weekly grocery shop you dont give a tenner to the cashier. People should be paid a fair wage by their employer and their employer should in turn charge a fair price to the customer.

However we are where we are so I generally leave the tip on the table.

Hannibal Smith

wazky wrote: »

Do you tip shopkeepers, road sweepers, etc for doing their jobs too?

Do you understand the difference between the service provider I was referring to and the two you introduced?

shruikan2553

Uh oh, expected this to turn into a tipping debate. It is only a matter of time before the people who don't tip are called cheap and how doing their job deserves extra wages.

Hannibal Smith

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Unlike every other person in every other job who you interact with regularly ? Maybe she needs it maybe she doesnt, maybe the cashier in Tesco's needs it, maybe the petrol station attendant needs it.

Why are serving staff the only people who are seen to go above and belong for doing their job, the only ones who may need some extra cash or the only ones who deserve to be paid to smile at ya ?

If people want to hand away money to a select group of workers then thats their business. But personally I dont get it. Now I'm out of here before Madsl arrives to dig the trenches and defend all things American.

Haahaa...people want to try and break common courtesy down to nonsensical semantics that's their business too. But someone has waited on you and served you. I would never be arrogant and stingy enough to walk out without offering an extra thanks.

But the thread was asking where to leave the tip, not whether to tip at all

Call Me Jimmy

But you are arrogant enough to overlook all the other places that you have been served by someone without tipping. If logic gets anywhere near a tipping debate it's over!

Boombastic

Hannibal Smith wrote: »

Haahaa...people want to try and break common courtesy down to nonsensical semantics that's their business too. But someone has waited on you and served you. I would never be arrogant and stingy enough to walk out without offering an extra thanks.

But the thread was asking where to leave the tip, not whether to tip at all

How is breaking common courtesy? They are being paid to do a job?

Gannicus

Mint Aero wrote: »

I don't give em any tips.

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Dont get the obsession with tipping. All you're doing is giving money away. Why not give it to charity or people who actually need it.

I leave it in my wallet.

On the rare occassion I tip (table of more than ten people or I get a handy under the table off her) I leave it with the cheque

Boombastic

Big Steve wrote: »

I leave it in my wallet.

On the rare occassion I tip (table of more than ten people or I get a handy under the table off her) I leave it with the cheque

stingy! would you not leave you house and car keys with them aswell

tacofries

all i know is in a hotel always leave it on the table if you cant give it to the waiter/ess directly... Money at the till can go missing very easy whereas waiters usually keep an eye on their tables

RichardoKhan

wazky wrote: »

Do you tip shopkeepers, road sweepers, etc for doing their jobs too?

When you realise how much DCC road sweepers are on with O/T & seniority.
They should be tipping us............

hotbabe1992

On the table.

No,No,No...Wrong ,wrong ,wrong..If you leave it on a table whos to stop someone from taking it,like another customer or passerby to a toilet?


Always give to the waitress,not the manager as he could just take it for himself..

touts

Hannibal Smith wrote: »

Haahaa...people want to try and break common courtesy down to nonsensical semantics that's their business too. But someone has waited on you and served you. I would never be arrogant and stingy enough to walk out without offering an extra thanks.

But the thread was asking where to leave the tip, not whether to tip at all

I think you will find it is common practice not common courtesy. If it was common courtesy we would tip everyone we interacted with.

touts

hotbabe1992 wrote: »

No,No,No...Wrong ,wrong ,wrong..If you leave it on a table whos to stop someone from taking it,like another customer or passerby to a toilet?


Always give to the waitress,not the manager as he could just take it for himself..

So at a busy time of the day (say lunch) when the waitress is off serving other tables, not only am I expected to leave her some extra money I am expected to wait until it is convenient for her to have me approach her and discreetly slip it to her. This comes back to the employer should pay a fair wage and there would be no dispute about the wrong person getting the money.

wazky

Hannibal Smith wrote: »

Do you understand the difference between the service provider I was referring to and the two you introduced?

Waiter/Waitress job is to serve food and be courteous to the customer, why would you tip them on doing their job description?

Sleepy

Rarely tip any more. I never saw the point in it and only got into the habit of it from going out with a girl who'd get into a huff if I didn't tip a waitress because she'd once worked as one in college and couldn't understand why I didn't think a waitress deserved to out-earn a shelf-stacker in a supermarket.

I'd occasionally tip a barman if the place is busy as I've found it usually gets them to remember you and serve you ahead of others at the bar later in the night.

Gannicus

Boombastic wrote: »

stingy! would you not leave you house and car keys with them aswell

Not for just a handy I wouldn't. She'd wanna be a special kinda waitress for anymore than a tawdry €5 tip.

poundapunnet

wazky wrote: »

Waiter/Waitress job is to serve food and be courteous to the customer, why would you tip them on doing their job description?

Ugh, I'm writing a new law: everyone has to work in a restaurant before they can eat in one. I've had a lot of jobs, most of them waitressing, and the majority of the job is actually putting up with people's **** to be honest, being courteous to a lot of the bollixes you get in can actually be a superhuman task and deserves much more than the minimum wage and unwaged overtime that's very very common in the industry. It's nice to be tipped for that.

Gannicus

wazky wrote: »

Waiter/Waitress job is to serve food and be courteous to the customer, why would you tip them on doing their job description?

I don't like tipping either but people would be singing a different tune if they started getting told you're not getting your christmas bonus for coming an doing your job all year.

Boombastic

poundapunnet wrote: »

Ugh, I'm writing a new law: everyone has to work in a restaurant before they can eat in one. I've had a lot of jobs, most of them waitressing, and the majority of the job is actually putting up with people's **** to be honest, being courteous to a lot of the bollixes you get in can actually be a superhuman task and deserves much more than the minimum wage and unwaged overtime that's very very common in the industry. It's nice to be tipped for that.

why is it the customers responsibility and not the employers to make up for min wage and unwaged overtime?

symbolic

poundapunnet wrote: »

Ugh, I'm writing a new law: everyone has to work in a restaurant before they can eat in one. I've had a lot of jobs, most of them waitressing, and the majority of the job is actually putting up with people's **** to be honest, being courteous to a lot of the bollixes you get in can actually be a superhuman task and deserves much more than the minimum wage and unwaged overtime that's very very common in the industry. It's nice to be tipped for that.

I'm all for them getting more than minimum wage and will march and support their campaign but the money should come from the employers. It's just an excuse for employers to not pay their staff properly, and these very employers are a lot richer than me.

poundapunnet

Boombastic wrote: »

why is it the customers responsibility and not the employers to make up for min wage and unwaged overtime?

It's not, it's just a nice thing to do. Hang on to your €2 if you feel so strongly about it ffs

symbolic

Big Steve wrote: »

I don't like tipping either but people would be singing a different story if they started getting told you're not getting your christmas bonus for coming an doing your job all year.

That's not the same thing though. Employers pay the bonuses, which makes sense. Why should I pay the bonuses. Are waiting staff gonna start paying my bonus?

Boombastic

poundapunnet wrote: »

It's not, it's just a nice thing to do. Hang on to your €2 if you feel so strongly about it ffs

don't worry I will, I'll get my dog something nice...why don't you negotiate better terms with your employer instead of expecting customers to pick up the shortfall?

poundapunnet

Boombastic wrote: »

don't worry I will, I'll get my dog something nice...why don't you negotiate better terms with your employer instead of expecting customers to pick up the shortfall?

Because then he will fire me and give the job to one of the 30+ people who've handed in CVs in the past month, all the power is with employers in the current market. I don't expect anyone to do anything, I just appreciate the nice gesture of leaving me some spare fecking change after I've done my best to make sure people have a pleasant meal.

I think people literally think that all waitresses are doing is writing down their order and carrying food to the table, you spend too much time doing that or chatting to customers and you could get a bollocking for not doing the 27 other things you're supposed to be doing at any given second. If someone is particularly pleasant to you that is NOT just them doing their job description, it's them not doing their job description to be nice to you. But again, if the €2 means that much to you, go and marry it, just don't complain if you only get basic service

lertsnim

Mr Pink called it correctly

Boombastic

poundapunnet wrote: »

Because then he will fire me and give the job to one of the 30+ people who've handed in CVs in the past month, all the power is with employers in the current market. I don't expect anyone to do anything, I just appreciate the nice gesture of leaving me some spare fecking change after I've done my best to make sure people have a pleasant meal.

I think people literally think that all waitresses are doing is writing down their order and carrying food to the table, you spend too much time doing that or chatting to customers and you could get a bollocking for not doing the 27 other things you're supposed to be doing at any given second. If someone is particularly pleasant to you that is NOT just them doing their job description, it's them not doing their job description to be nice to you. But again, if the €2 means that much to you, go and marry it, just don't complain if you only get basic service

no need to explain what job entails to me, been there, done that. The standard of service in general in restaurants/cafes in this country is deplorable..will you come to the wedding?

Gongoozler

Any argument you make for why a waiter or waitress should get a tip stands for anyone on a minimum wage public facing job. The **** you get in retail is the same but not once in my time in retail did I or any colleague get a tip.

symbolic

poundapunnet wrote: »

Because then he will fire me and give the job to one of the 30+ people who've handed in CVs in the past month, all the power is with employers in the current market. I don't expect anyone to do anything, I just appreciate the nice gesture of leaving me some spare fecking change after I've done my best to make sure people have a pleasant meal.

I think people literally think that all waitresses are doing is writing down their order and carrying food to the table, you spend too much time doing that or chatting to customers and you could get a bollocking for not doing the 27 other things you're supposed to be doing at any given second. If someone is particularly pleasant to you that is NOT just them doing their job description, it's them not doing their job description to be nice to you. But again, if the €2 means that much to you, go and marry it, just don't complain if you only get basic service

I see where you're coming from, but I think it's even worse giving someone basic service if they don't tip and chatting and being nice to them if they do. Seems a bit disingenuous..? I think I'd rather basic service than someone being nice to me so they will get money from me. Seems wrong, but maybe I'm missing something. Like when I avail of a service I'm very pleasant and often exchange pleasantries so do they also owe me 2euro?

Gannicus

symbolic wrote: »

That's not the same thing though. Employers pay the bonuses, which makes sense. Why should I pay the bonuses. Are waiting staff gonna start paying my bonus?

No they're not but the argument put forward was:

wazky wrote: »

Waiter/Waitress job is to serve food and be courteous to the customer, why would you tip them on doing their job description?

I'm saying if your boss decided no to give youyour christmas bonus because all you did was fufilling your job description you'd be mighty p!ssed off.

Under these "boundaries" a bonus and a tip are nearly the same thing. A little something extra on top of your normal wage.

I do agree with the utmost confidence that employers use the fact that people tip as a/the reason or factor for not paying better wages. I've worked as a lounge-boy, waiter and all sorts of service industry jobs where you rely on tips to get a few extra quid but I always brought my A game to earn the tip. I just don't feel like majority of waiters/waitresses do that anymore so I don't tip.

WilyCoyote

The minimum wage here for tipped jobs is $2.13 per hour. That's why people tip at 20%. However eating out is generally far cheaper than at home.
I know a student that works the tables in a Mexican restaurant and she regularly gets $150 tips on the Friday and Saturday evening shifts.
It works both ways. The boss gets cheap labour so can afford to have lots of waiting staff, the staff pay far more attention to their customers (knowing that their attitude will define the size of the tip). They will actively encourage all the items in the menu, 'cause the more that's eaten - the bigger the bill ...... and the bigger the tip.

symbolic

Big Steve wrote: »

No they're not but the argument put forward was:



I'm saying if your boss decided no to give youyour christmas bonus because all you did was fufilling your job description you'd be mighty p!ssed off.

Under these "boundaries" a bonus and a tip are nearly the same thing. A little something extra on top of your normal wage.

I do agree with the utmost confidence that employers use the fact that people tip as a/the reason or factor for not paying better wages. I've worked as a lounge-boy, waiter and all sorts of service industry jobs where you rely on tips to get a few extra quid but I always brought my A game to earn the tip. I just don't feel like majority of waiters/waitresses do that anymore so I don't tip.

Ah cool, I see what you meant

The Dom

lertsnim wrote: »

Mr Pink called it correctly

First thing that came to mind, as ever when this topic comes up. So much truth in it, from both sides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4sbYy0WdGQ

Chris_Heilong

This tipping culture arose during the celtic tiger, we wanted to be Americans, now the tiger is dead so should this looney idea of tipping die.

Hierro_4

I usually don't give any tips. Why should someone working in a cafe deserve a tip when a barber and many other professions on par rarely get one?

poundapunnet

symbolic wrote: »

I see where you're coming from, but I think it's even worse giving someone basic service if they don't tip and chatting and being nice to them if they do. Seems a bit disingenuous..? I think I'd rather basic service than someone being nice to me so they will get money from me. Seems wrong, but maybe I'm missing something. Like when I avail of a service I'm very pleasant and often exchange pleasantries so do they also owe me 2euro?

well personally I'm always nice unless someone's actually being rude to me, in most of the jobs I've worked the tips are pooled so it doesn't really matter and I'm chatty anyway, I'm just saying if the argument is "It's her job to bring me my food, I'm not paying her extra" then you can't be giving out if someone literally just brings you your food, ie won't go out of her way to let you order off menu because you don't like onions or whatever or won't stand and listen to you tell funny stories when she's supposed to be doing something else.

I get what you're saying and I think it's just basic manners to be pleasant to customers (and everyone), and that it's a nice and relatively inexpensive gesture to leave a couple of euro of a tip, but people are getting all principled about it apparently when I go to into work at the weekend I'm going to literally just do my job description for people who I know don't tip and see if they complain about the service as an experiment

WilyCoyote

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

This tipping culture arose during the celtic tiger, we wanted to be Americans, now the tiger is dead so should this looney idea of tipping die.

Where have you been all your life?

shruikan2553

poundapunnet wrote: »

Ugh, I'm writing a new law: everyone has to work in a restaurant before they can eat in one. I've had a lot of jobs, most of them waitressing, and the majority of the job is actually putting up with people's **** to be honest, being courteous to a lot of the bollixes you get in can actually be a superhuman task and deserves much more than the minimum wage and unwaged overtime that's very very common in the industry. It's nice to be tipped for that.

Dealing with people is part of many jobs. Should everyone have to work in an IT call center too?

poundapunnet

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Dealing with people is part of many jobs. Should everyone have to work in an IT call center too?

God no, that's just cruel