Dole rate?

Moi78

I am a 35yr old south african citizen and recently left Ireland to move back to SA, but am thinking of going back to ireland in the new year... My question is the following

I worked in ireland for the past 12yrs and am a irish citizen so I should be entitled to receive the dole, how much will I be granted if I am entitled to it and what requirements is needed to draw it?

Thank you for your answers

IrishIrish

Would be better asking here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=861

Current rate is 186euro I think but you'd get a lot more info if you follow my link.

lighterman

Not the answer your looking for but how about you focus on coming back looking for a job. Priorities are wrong

Pro Hoc Vice

Moi78 wrote: »

I am a 35yr old south african citizen and recently left Ireland to move back to SA, but am thinking of going back to ireland in the new year... My question is the following

I worked in ireland for the past 12yrs and am a irish citizen so I should be entitled to receive the dole, how much will I be granted if I am entitled to it and what requirements is needed to draw it?

Thank you for your answers

You will have to satisfy the habitual residency test, depending on the facts of your situation you may no longer qualify.

whupdedo

Has south Africa got any social welfare system you can rely on without coming back to sponge off ours ? Here's an idea, try get a job and contribute something to your own country without trying to relieve the irish taxpayers of their much needed revenue for the dole spongers we have of our own

Moderator: user was infracted for this post.

Pro Hoc Vice

whupdedo wrote: »

Has south Africa got any social welfare system you can rely on without coming back to sponge off ours ? Here's an idea, try get a job and contribute something to your own country without trying to relieve the irish taxpayers of their much needed revenue for the dole spongers we have of our own

You may have missed this bit in the OP "I worked in ireland for the past 12yrs and am a irish citizen" I think the OP has given to the Irish Economy, considering he is 35 his most productive years from early 20's to mid 30's he paid PAYE, PRSI and more than likely income levy. You nor I, know the reason for return to SA, so I believe the OP has a very good moral claim on SW in this country. A legal claim may be different depending on exact facts.

Or do you think any person who has worked here for 12 years has no entitlement to SW if in need of it.

Moi78

whupdedo wrote: »

Has south Africa got any social welfare system you can rely on without coming back to sponge off ours ? Here's an idea, try get a job and contribute something to your own country without trying to relieve the irish taxpayers of their much needed revenue for the dole spongers we have of our own

Nice answer... I came to SA to try out to get a job and no we dont have the luxury of JSA, hence my reason to come back... I been here for 3months without luck to get a job!

Pro Hoc Vice

Moi78 wrote: »

Nice answer... I came to SA to try out to get a job and no we dont have the luxury of JSA, hence my reason to come back... I been here for 3months without luck to get a job!

You need to look at habitually resident, as I said its decided by your own facts.

Moi78

lighterman wrote: »

Not the answer your looking for but how about you focus on coming back looking for a job. Priorities are wrong

And how do you not know thats what I am going to do when I return, I just need something to start me off whilst looking for employment!

Play To Kill

whupdedo wrote: »

Here's an idea, try get a job and contribute something to your own country without trying to relieve the irish taxpayers of their much needed revenue for the dole spongers we have of our own

OP is an Irish citizen who has contributed to Irish tax revenue for 12 years.

bur

lighterman wrote: »

Not the answer your looking for but how about you focus on coming back looking for a job. Priorities are wrong

whupdedo wrote: »

Has south Africa got any social welfare system you can rely on without coming back to sponge off ours ? Here's an idea, try get a job and contribute something to your own country without trying to relieve the irish taxpayers of their much needed revenue for the dole spongers we have of our own

*sigh*

whupdedo

infosys wrote: »

You may have missed this bit in the OP "I worked in ireland for the past 12yrs and am a irish citizen" I think the OP has given to the Irish Economy, considering he is 35 his most productive years from early 20's to mid 30's he paid PAYE, PRSI and more than likely income levy. You nor I, know the reason for return to SA, so I believe the OP has a very good moral claim on SW in this country, A legal claim may be different depending on exact facts.

Or do you think any person who has worked here for 12 years has no entitlement to SW if in need of it.

Not if they intentionally intend to come back just to draw dole, plenty people have given more to irish society without asking anything in return, self employed often don't qualify for social because of the way the system is set up, shouldn't everybody be able to access the same system,I notice the op didn't ask about grants for further education or job schemes,I commented on what he intends to do on arrival here,not what he has done before he left which by the way, shouldn't be rewarded but just expected of a young capable person in society

Pro Hoc Vice

whupdedo wrote: »

Not if they intentionally intend to come back just to draw dole, plenty people have given more to irish society without asking anything in return, self employed often don't qualify for social because of the way the system is set up, shouldn't everybody be able to access the same system,I notice the op didn't ask about grants for further education or job schemes,I commented on what he intends to do on arrival here,not what he has done before he left which by the way, shouldn't be rewarded but just expected of a young capable person in society

And the OP replied this "And how do you not know thats what I am going to do when I return, I just need something to start me off whilst looking for employment!"

The OP also said "Nice answer... I came to SA to try out to get a job and no we dont have the luxury of JSA, hence my reason to come back... I been here for 3months without luck to get a job!"

Seems to me the OP lived and worked in Ireland for 12 years, I assume lost job, moved to SA looking for work has given it 3 months no work, now is thinking of returning to look for work and is asking about SW while looking.

I know fully as a self employed person that most SW if I ever require it will have to be means tested, the OP if employed would have had entitlement to non means tested payments which he may or may not have claimed before leaving to seek work.

Victor

whupdedo wrote: »

I notice the op didn't ask about grants for further education or job schemes

New jobseekers aren't entitled to these.

lighterman

bur wrote: »

*sigh*

Sigh indeed

Wheelnut

Moi78 wrote: »

I am a 35yr old south african citizen and recently left Ireland to move back to SA, but am thinking of going back to ireland in the new year... My question is the following

I worked in ireland for the past 12yrs and am a irish citizen so I should be entitled to receive the dole, how much will I be granted if I am entitled to it and what requirements is needed to draw it?

Thank you for your answers

Is there not a conflict in that post?

Phoebas

Wheelnut wrote: »

Is there not a conflict in that post?

No. Ireland recognises dual citizenship.

Pro Hoc Vice

Wheelnut wrote: »

Is there not a conflict in that post?

A person can in a lot of countries hold more than one citizenship. This can happen by birth or naturalisation, why do you think there is a conflict.

Moi78

Wheelnut wrote: »

Is there not a conflict in that post?

Nope... No conflict! Was in no means easy to keep both residencies! I am proud south african and irish

Wheelnut

infosys wrote: »

... why do you think there is a conflict.

I asked because he seemed to be saying two different things, but he has clarified that now and so has Phoebas.

ShowMeTheCash

There is air nationalism by some on this thread with regards this individuals circumstances, that resembles that of hillbilly hicks of America and Mexican immigrants.

The idea that someone said "why come here and sponge of the Irish tax payer" when the individual clearly stated he is 1. Irish citizen and 2. Had been working for the last 12 years, someone else decided to pointed out that this guys priorities are wrong..... Really??? What do you know of his priorities?
He paid into a system for 12 years... And being he held a job for 12 years through our countries financial meltdown, would it not only be fair he is granted some of that money back until he finds work????

I find some of these remarks nothing short of bigoted and racist!!
And before you tell me you are not a bigot or a racist, had the thread been that of some dude from Dublin that just lost his job.... I doubt very much he would have been referred to as a sponger or someone that needs to get his priorities straight!

lighterman

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

There is air nationalism by some on this thread with regards this individuals circumstances, that resembles that of hillbilly hicks of America and Mexican immigrants.

The idea that someone said "why come here and sponge of the Irish tax payer" when the individual clearly stated he is 1. Irish citizen and 2. Had been working for the last 12 years, someone else decided to pointed out that this guys priorities are wrong..... Really??? What do you know of his priorities?
He paid into a system for 12 years... And being he held a job for 12 years through our countries financial meltdown, would it not only be fair he is granted some of that money back until he finds work????

I find some of these remarks nothing short of bigoted and racist!!
And before you tell me you are not a bigot or a racist, had the thread been that of some dude from Dublin that just lost his job.... I doubt very much he would have been referred to as a sponger or someone that needs to get his priorities straight!

I lost my job about 5 years ago.I was at home for 3 days approx looking at courses etc when i paid €500 for a course.I am effectively on employed for 8 days.I didnt need hand outs even though i'd been working for 15 years prior to that.I'm now working for €00 less but its still a job and i'm not lazying around expecting hand outs.Work is out there if its really wanted so no i'm not bigoted or racist,i just dont hold any sympathy for people who cant be othered with putting the time and yes possible expenses in to getting a job

Pro Hoc Vice

lighterman wrote: »

I lost my job about 5 years ago.I was at home for 3 days approx looking at courses etc when i paid €500 for a course.I am effectively on employed for 8 days.I didnt need hand outs even though i'd been working for 15 years prior to that.I'm now working for €00 less but its still a job and i'm not lazying around expecting hand outs.Work is out there if its really wanted so no i'm not bigoted or racist,i just dont hold any sympathy for people who cant be othered with putting the time and yes possible expenses in to getting a job

Well done to you, in this case the OP moved from his country of origin, lived and worked here for 12 years. For some reason became unemployed. Not only did he look for work he returned home to look for work, he has looked for work for 3 months with I assume very little if any social welfare, now he wants to return to look for work and asks a simple question about social welfare.

BTW it is not a handout after 12 years of work. If you look at a wage slip you will see a deduction for PRSI (Pay related social insurance) the insurance is the important word, would you say a person who claims on their private health plan is getting a handout, or the person who gets a new car after his is destroyed in a fire, from his insurance company.

ShowMeTheCash

lighterman wrote: »

I lost my job about 5 years ago.I was at home for 3 days approx looking at courses etc when i paid €500 for a course.I am effectively on employed for 8 days.I didnt need hand outs even though i'd been working for 15 years prior to that.I'm now working for €00 less but its still a job and i'm not lazying around expecting hand outs.Work is out there if its really wanted so no i'm not bigoted or racist,i just dont hold any sympathy for people who cant be othered with putting the time and yes possible expenses in to getting a job

This response has to be a joke?

No one cares what you did or did not do, the fact that you are actually stating it is laughable... The guy was simply asking a question around the dole, he was not looking for "go back to your own country and don't scrounge of us" which I can only deem as either bigoted or racist...

A bigot is someone that show prejudice...

You by your own statement use the language "lazing around expecting handouts" and you hold no sympathy with "people who can't be othered with putting the time and yes possible expenses in to getting a job"

But yet you claim not to be a bigot???
Let me add ignorant to that list.

You have managed to categorise an entire nation of people based on your own insignificant existence!

Well done Sir!

lighterman

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

This response has to be a joke?

No one cares what you did or did not do, the fact that you are actually stating it is laughable... The guy was simply asking a question around the dole, he was not looking for "go back to your own country and don't scrounge of us" which I can only deem as either bigoted or racist...

A bigot is someone that show prejudice...

You by your own statement use the language "lazing around expecting handouts" and you hold no sympathy with "people who can't be othered with putting the time and yes possible expenses in to getting a job"

But yet you claim not to be a bigot???
Let me add ignorant to that list.

You have managed to categorise an entire nation of people based on your own insignificant existence!

Well done Sir!

Go back to your own country and don't scrounge of us. Your words Defo not mine. If you want to take up for these people and these people are the people that worked for probably 3 time the amount that they'd get in they're own country then send it across then you do that and ya wonder why our country is broke. It's broke because our money is in every other country except our own

Grolschevik

Or because our standard of literacy appears to be pretty poor.

srsly78

Point of order: this should be moved to the state benefits forum.

hullaballoo

I'm not alone in hoping for better standards for this forum. I am alone in being the person who regulates the standards.

I'm quite disappointed that this thread has gone this way. Thus, the thread is locked. OP, if you would like some decent comments on your query, try the State Benefits forum. Obviously, the posters here can't contain themselves.