00D100000+ Imported?

unkel

A lot of new vehicles were sold in the millenium year. Over a hundred thousand went onto Dublin plates

Now at what number do we know for sure it's a car imported and registered in his country in 2001 or later?

djimi

120000+ is the usual number. Not sure about 00D; did it reach that high?

kona

Who cares? Like what reason would you need to know it's imported from the reg?

pajor

I've seen just over and just under 120000.

mickdw

unkel wrote: »

A lot of new vehicles were sold in the millenium year. Over a hundred thousand went onto Dublin plates

Now at what number do we know for sure it's a car imported and registered in his country in 2001 or later?

You really won't know from the reg on stuff imported years ago. Around 2011, they started to use a spare reg for imports - 120000+ for Dublin, 10000+ for mayo etc.
Think they may have gone away from that now for newer stuff too.

porsche959

kona wrote: »

Who cares? Like what reason would you need to know it's imported from the reg?

Agreed, I don't understand the fixation with reg. plates on this forum.

R.O.R

The book now lists end of year numbers for the past 7 years, but I've checked older books (2007) and it's not listed in there.

Looks like SIMI have the figures, but it's in the members only area and I don't have the log in details.

From memory, it was somewhere around the 106,000 area.

djimi

porsche959 wrote: »

Agreed, I don't understand the fixation with reg. plates on this forum.

Maybe its nice to be able to browse for second hand cars and quickly know that you are looking at an import?

Kenny Logins

djimi wrote: »

Maybe its nice to be able to browse for second hand cars and quickly know that you are looking at an import?

Leather, alloys and aircon are usually good indicators. :pac:

kona

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Leather, alloys and aircon are usually good indicators. :pac:

Exactley if you know what your looking at you will have a good idea anyways.

pajor

porsche959 wrote: »

Agreed, I don't understand the fixation with reg. plates on this forum.

kona wrote: »

Who cares? Like what reason would you need to know it's imported from the reg?

Haters gonna hate. :pac:

djimi

kona wrote: »

Exactley if you know what your looking at you will have a good idea anyways.

Or, if you see 07D120545 or whatever then you know for certain at first glance.

Its not a fixation; its not a discussion about the ideal system, its about what the system actually is. Wasnt that the point of the thread; asking how to identify imports based on the reg system that was used?

pajor

djimi wrote: »

Or, if you see 07D120545 or whatever then you know for certain at first glance.

Its not a fixation; its not a discussion about the ideal system, its about what the system actually is. Wasnt that the point of the thread; asking how to identify imports based on the reg system that was used?

Being able to check a government database for free would be one (possible in The Netherlands).

nd

Idk whether it's accurate or not but if you put the plate number into chill insurance's quick quote thing it'll tell you if it's imported or not.

djimi

nd wrote: »

Idk whether it's accurate or not but if you put the plate number into chill insurance's quick quote thing it'll tell you if it's imported or not.

For some reason those things can never find my car; probably cause its an import :pac:

Kenny Logins

pajor wrote: »

Being able to check a government database for free would be one (possible in The Netherlands).

Motorcheck.ie will tell you if it's imported in their free check.

kona

djimi wrote: »

Or, if you see 07D120545 or whatever then you know for certain at first glance.

Its not a fixation; its not a discussion about the ideal system, its about what the system actually is. Wasnt that the point of the thread; asking how to identify imports based on the reg system that was used?

I dunno seems stupid to segregate cars into what's imported and not imported. Same thing with classic car anoraks jizzing all over a original Irish car.cars a car and as long as everybody has had a good fisting from vrt, what does it matter

pajor

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Motorcheck.ie will tell you if it's imported in their free check.

I've only ever been bothered to use mywheels. That answers that then. :pac:

subway

just over 77000 new cars registered in dublin that year



http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=TEA05&PLanguage=0

djimi

kona wrote: »

I dunno seems stupid to segregate cars into what's imported and not imported. Same thing with classic car anoraks jizzing all over a original Irish car.cars a car and as long as everybody has had a good fisting from vrt, what does it matter

Theyre not segregating them. There was a problem with teh registration system where they couldnt assign the next number for a previous year, so they had to start at 120000 for imported cars. Hence the reason why when you see 07D120xxx you know its an import.

unkel

kona wrote: »

Who cares? Like what reason would you need to know it's imported from the reg?

Perhaps I should have posted why I started this thread. An ad for a car posted on the bangernomics thread, with a reg of 00d120000+ stated "one owner from new"

Now I would be fairly sure that car is an import and as such it might have mistakenly only had the irish owner(s) as the only owners on the vehicle database*

Catching out a seller with a clear lie means a lot to me. I'd usually walk away and buy elsewhere

So I care. Hope that explains

*technically it could still have only one owner from new if the original owner brought it with him / her when emigrating to Ireland, but that's not a very likely scenario

Guy:Incognito

unkel wrote: »

Perhaps I should have posted why I started this thread. An ad for a car posted on the bangernomics thread, with a reg of 00d120000+ stated "one owner from new"

Now I would be fairly sure that car is an import and as such it might have mistakenly only had the irish owner(s) as the only owners on the vehicle database*

Catching out a seller with a clear lie means a lot to me. I'd usually walk away and buy elsewhere

So I care. Hope that explains

*technically it could still have only one owner from new if the original owner brought it with him / her when emigrating to Ireland, but that's not a very likely scenario

It hit around 106k ish. I imported a xantia in early 08 and the reg is 00d112751

Mycroft H

subway wrote: »

just over 77000 new cars registered in dublin that year



http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=TEA05&PLanguage=0

What about Busses, HGVs and LGVs and anything else that wears a registration plate? Does the CSO have those figures?

unkel

subway wrote: »

just over 77000 new cars registered in dublin that year

That's just private cars, subway!

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It hit around 106k ish. I imported a xantia in early 08 and the reg is 00d112751

From memory, I'd say you're very close with the 106k mark. Would be great if someone found some link / thing official

kona

djimi wrote: »

Theyre not segregating them. There was a problem with teh registration system where they couldnt assign the next number for a previous year, so they had to start at 120000 for imported cars. Hence the reason why when you see 07D120xxx you know its an import.

I know I've two imported cars, I still have both of them and while one is 120xxx the other is not, so I dunno what the problem is. Whatever way you call it , it's segregation, which allows people to tell it's a import etc.

kona

unkel wrote: »

*technically it could still have only one owner from new if the original owner brought it with him / her when emigrating to Ireland, but that's not a very likely scenario

Exactley, then some know it all plasters t crap all over the Internet telling people the seller is lying, which will put buyers off.

Now I know the chances are it's some mupper trying to pull a fast one, but if you do what common sense dictates when buying a car, you'll find this out quite fast anyways with a reg check.

To me it's just somebody over complicating a system for no reason.

djimi

kona wrote: »

I know I've two imported cars, I still have both of them and while one is 120xxx the other is not, so I dunno what the problem is. Whatever way you call it , it's segregation, which allows people to tell it's a import etc.

Im only recalling what I have read as to the reason behind the numbering system for imports. If its wrong then so be it, but from what I have read its not a deliberate system to segregate imports and make them more identifiable.

kona

djimi wrote: »

Im only recalling what I have read as to the reason behind the numbering system for imports. If its wrong then so be it, but from what I have read its not a deliberate system to segregate imports and make them more identifiable.

It's say it's something that some eejit thought of and will cause a problem in a few years, I've no idea why you would even bother to change the reg system , including 131 ,132 bull****e , they had a system and it worked, why mess with it? Maybe it had something to do with a computer system or something not being able to deal with certain numbers.

Also, say if I want to reserve a reg plate number for a import that doesn't begin with 120?

porsche959

djimi wrote: »

Maybe its nice to be able to browse for second hand cars and quickly know that you are looking at an import?

Why is this information deemed significant, is what I am curious about. An imported car is no more or less likely to be a dog than an Irish original one, surely.

djimi

kona wrote: »

Maybe it had something to do with a computer system or something not being able to deal with certain numbers.

As I understand it that was the issue; they couldnt add the new regs onto the next number in the sequence so they started a new sequence at a number like 120000.

That may not be correct, but its what I have read.

djimi

porsche959 wrote: »

Why is this information deemed significant, is what I am curious about. An imported car is no more or less likely to be a dog than an Irish original one, surely.

An import is likely have a higher spec than its Irish equivilant. Its not all that significant in the grand scheme of things, but given a choice between an Irish car and its imported equivilant then Id probably choose to view the import first.

unkel

kona wrote: »

some know it all plasters t crap all over the Internet telling people the seller is lying

I'd say chances are the know it all is right and the seller is lying

If I were the seller and I was the only owner of the car I would have included in the ad: "One owner from new. I bought this car new in the UK and when I moved over to Ireland I registered the car here"

Harcrid

porsche959 wrote: »

Why is this information deemed significant, is what I am curious about. An imported car is no more or less likely to be a dog than an Irish original one, surely.

It can be handy to know if a car is an import to check the sellers honesty. If the seller says its not imported and you can tell that it is then it would raise other questions about what they may be lying about.

kona

djimi wrote: »

As I understand it that was the issue; they couldnt add the new regs onto the next number in the sequence so they started a new sequence at a number like 120000.

That may not be correct, but its what I have read.

what I cant understand is that they could when I imported my first car and couldnt when I imported my last!

Like what was so hard about the layout YY -County-Number? To change it, they obviously paid out of taxpayers money:

A)Consultants (Best job in the world )
B)Software, Hardware
C)Training
D)somebody to over see the implementation.

Im sure theres more steps but to me its a giant waste of money/time.
If its is a computer glitch, Id like to know who recommended the system or who outlined to the makers the specifications, because they are **** at their job and I like to know where my e750 a year road tax goes ontop off all the other bull**** tax (VRT, USC).

kona

Harcrid wrote: »

It can be handy to know if a car is an import to check the sellers honesty. If the seller says its not imported and you can tell that it is then it would raise other questions about what they may be lying about.

If you know what your looking at you wont need reg numbers, it follows that most people that know reg numbers will know what they are looking at.
When I buy a car I ignore the add and go have a look at it, theres some amount of dreamers/liars out there when buying a car.
Id nearly go as far as to say theres a market there for some consultancy to people who want to buy a car but dont know what to look for!

Mycroft H

Harcrid wrote: »

It can be handy to know if a car is an import to check the sellers honesty. If the seller says its not imported and you can tell that it is then it would raise other questions about what they may be lying about.

To be honest, at the end of the day, it was a cheap cheap car; judge it on it's condition and take it from there. Wouldn't overly concern me to be honest

kona

Mycroft H wrote: »

To be honest, at the end of the day, it was a cheap cheap car; judge it on it's condition and take it from there. Wouldn't overly concern me to be honest

A car is a car, they are all inspected the same way, the rest is just bull**** :pac:.

GL scrappy

Normally when you phone an insurance company for a quote, one of the first questions they ask about a car is "is it an import?". Sometimes they will refuse to quote depending on what country its from.
Though I don't think its right that they discriminate in this way, whether its an import is something that needs to be taken into account when buying a car.

Harcrid

Of course you judge a car on its merits, but its always good to have every bit of knowledge about it while looking. Import or Irish is just one of those bits of info to let you know the history of the car. If someone tells me that a car was not imported when I can see it was then it obviously it will make me take a closer look at other aspects such as the service history etc.

djimi

GL scrappy wrote: »

Normally when you phone an insurance company for a quote, one of the first questions they ask about a car is "is it an import?". Sometimes they will refuse to quote depending on what country its from.
Though I don't think its right that they discriminate in this way, whether its an import is something that needs to be taken into account when buying a car.

I think its usually Japanese imports that they have the most issue with, as they have no real security systems in place when brought into the country.

subway

Mycroft H wrote: »

What about Busses, HGVs and LGVs and anything else that wears a registration plate? Does the CSO have those figures?

unkel wrote: »

That's just private cars, subway!



From memory, I'd say you're very close with the 106k mark. Would be great if someone found some link / thing official

doh, my bad

the table says (roughly)
10k goods
3.5k motorbikes
2k others
200 tractors

so around about 92k new registratins for the dublin region (did i miss anything else?)

have a play about and see for yourself
http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/database/eirestat/Vehicle%20Licensing%20Statistics%20Annual%20Series/Vehicle%20Licensing%20Statistics%20Annual%20Series_statbank.asp?SP=Vehicle%20Licensing%20Statistics%20Annual%20Series&Planguage=0

subway

subway wrote: »

doh, my bad

the table says 9roughly)
10k goods
3.5k motorbikes
2k others
200 tractors

so around about 92k new registratins for the dublin region (did i miss anything else?)

have a play about and see for yourself
http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/database/eirestat/Vehicle%20Licensing%20Statistics%20Annual%20Series/Vehicle%20Licensing%20Statistics%20Annual%20Series_statbank.asp?SP=Vehicle%20Licensing%20Statistics%20Annual%20Series&Planguage=0

the numbers definitely go past that (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055548294)
so maybe some of the second hand registrations, that i assume are imports, were "new" imports (ie, registered in UK then moved to ireland in the same year?)

ofcork

In cork the imports are a bit more obvious I think since the numbers started at 40000 iirc.

unkel

Harcrid wrote: »

Of course you judge a car on its merits, but

This. When I'm looking for a car, I pick what car I want to see very much on my first impression (of the ad). And I'm not talking about how clean the car looks or the quality of the photos. If I get as much as a sniff of a lie, I pass (sometimes I put in a call to let the seller have the benefit of the doubt)

cadaliac

djimi wrote: »

I think its usually Japanese imports that they have the most issue with, as they have no real security systems in place when brought into the country.

I was getting a quote for a Volvo S80 ~03, or 04 and the particular spec and engine, model indicated that the car was an import - from the UK. That spec wasn't sold in Ireland and they (123,ie), refused to quote me, point blank. I didn't buy that car in the end, but just for note.

Anyway as Unkel says, if there is nothing to hide, the seller will be straight up about the car being a swimmer.
Otherwise, no history on an imported diesel family saloon - clocked.
It's definitely something I would want to know about.

unkel

cadaliac wrote: »

That spec wasn't sold in Ireland and they (123,ie), refused to quote me, point blank.

Their website only seems to quote for a very, very limited number of bog standard low power cars as originally sold in Ireland. Ringing many brokers / insurers has a lot more success than using on line quotes if you don't happen to look for a bog standard quote for a bog standard car

As for the Jap imports, I remember a time when nearly all of them came off the ship with 80,000km on them

alias no.9

unkel wrote: »

Their website only seems to quote for a very, very limited number of bog standard low power cars as originally sold in Ireland. Ringing many brokers / insurers has a lot more success than using on line quotes if you don't happen to look for a bog standard quote for a bog standard car

As for the Jap imports, I remember a time when nearly all of them came off the ship with 80,000km on them

All visited the ships barber enroute.


For reference my old 156 had an 80xxx suffix after its 00D and IIRC was registered in August 2000.

lomb

Does seller honesty matter a huge amount though? Surely the pre purchase check should be comprehensive enough to eliminate defective cars. That and only buying verified mileage reliable brand/ model car.
I spotted a TT that the ABS light never actually lit on ignition on. After spotting that I noted the traction control light didnt switch on on button press. I concluded the quattro system was shot in that and rejected it. There was no receipts for haldex oil change amongst the file of receipts they had so it had been maintained by monkeys who didnt know what they were doing. It had passed the NCT the previous week so they had never spotted it !

A good car sells itself when you see it if you spend the time studying everything with it. Thats well before you even turn the key. The one owner business is irrelevant I feel. The seller may just want a good price for a prized good car and is bending the truth because of it.