Winter League scoring ?

kieran.

Do the forward tees and soft conditions really make that big of a difference to scoring. In my own club the competition tees CCS is usually 70-72 and the forward tees are generally 68 and the course is par 71. The winning score this week in the winterleaue 9 hole comp was 27 points which makes me ask the question do these players mind their handicap all year round just so they can win a turkey/hamper.

alxmorgan

kieran. wrote: »

Do the forward tees and soft conditions really make that big of a difference to scoring. In my own club the competition tees CCS is usually 70-72 and the forward tees are generally 68 and the course is par 71. The winning score this week in the winterleaue 9 hole comp was 27 points which makes me ask the question do these players mind their handicap all year round just so they can win a turkey/hamper.

I've wondered about this myself. I think being able to place in the rough suits certain kind of golfers. They would be penalised for hitting rough but it can work to their advantage now as they can tee it up and hit shots they could never hit before like 3 woods for example.

Not discounting minding of course

ssbob

Really big scores do tend to come out alright but as Alx mentioned, guys(like me) who are in the rough a heck of a lot can tee it up and drive on. Also the shorter courses and more receptive greens all help aswell.

spacecoyote

Yeah, the big scores tend to start showing up in my place too. I'm always very dubious. Given you can put the GUI competition vouchers against your membership fee its an easy way for someone to knock a few quid off their annual bill without the penalty of a big cut

mafc

Think this happens in most clubs, shorter courses, placing, softer greens and a few shots in the bag.
Guys off 20+ coming in with 27,28 and even 30pts, however when qualifying competitions re commence these guys are nowhere to be seen.

Just goes to prove that Winter golf scores are not a true reflection of most peoples ability.

shaneon77

Guy in our place won a 13 hole comp with 35 points. 26 points was only in mid twentieth position. Its a lot easier alright. One of our low guys shot a -3 gross and could only finish third. That sucks.

kieran.

Shoot 3 under and finishing third.........ouch that would suck

billy3sheets

1. You can place it on the fairway, perhaps on a tuft of grass which makes a wedge easier for higher handicaps
2. You can place it in the rough, so no bad lies.
3. It's only 9, 12 or 13 holes so stamina, consistency not required as much
4. Forward tees are used so don't need to be such big hitter.
5. To quote Brandel Chamblee, with all that placing going on, certain people may be "cavalier about the rules".

Russman

billy3sheets wrote: »

1. You can place it on the fairway, perhaps on a tuft of grass which makes a wedge easier for higher handicaps
2. You can place it in the rough, so no bad lies.
3. It's only 9, 12 or 13 holes so stamina, consistency not required as much
4. Forward tees are used so don't need to be such big hitter.
5. To quote Brandel Chamblee, with all that placing going on, certain people may be "cavalier about the rules".

This ^^^^

We've recently gone to 12 or 14 holes and it takes 4 or 5 points better than level 2s to win. Yet in the normal season 36/37 & maybe 38pts would almost always figure.

Plus winter scores are rarely remembered or looked at for handicapping purposes, you get your domestic cut and then in March you're back to full.

PARlance

Slightly off topic:

Does anyone know the reason why a club would opt for "drop in the rough" over "placing in the rough".

I played drop in the rough 2 weekends ago whereas it was placing in the rough the weekend before!

Russman

PARlance wrote: »

Slightly off topic:

Does anyone know the reason why a club would opt for "drop in the rough" over "placing in the rough".

I played drop in the rough 2 weekends ago whereas it was placing in the rough the weekend before!

Can't think of an obvious one. Unless it was felt that some people were being a little liberal with placing within 6 inches, and dropping within a clublength evened things out........?

alxmorgan

PARlance wrote: »

Slightly off topic:

Does anyone know the reason why a club would opt for "drop in the rough" over "placing in the rough".

I played drop in the rough 2 weekends ago whereas it was placing in the rough the weekend before!

We started at drop in rough and then went to placing
I was thinking it was because as ground gets wetter you are getting balls plugging slightly even when dropped.

PARlance

alxmorgan wrote: »

We started at drop in rough and then went to placing
I was thinking it was because as ground gets wetter you are getting balls plugging slightly even when dropped.

Was thinking it might be something like that, but if a ball is plugging, even slightly, from shoulder height, then surely the course would be unplayable.

I was just thinking that the slight variance in the rules doesn't really have much obvious benefits, can't see why it's worth having the options as the potential confusion it could cause isn't really worth it.
I'd put money that there were 1 or 2 groups that went straight to the tee thinking it was placing in the rough. (Yes, it's up to the player to check but I could see a few forgetting to)