Ryanair Dublin expansion

pclive

According to the FR Twitter account Ryanair and the DAA will be making a major tourism and jobs announcement tomorrow at 9am

scudzilla

Hopefully they'll announce routes to the Greek Islands, break up Thomas Cook's monopoly

Suasdaguna1

If EIN can't be bought, he'll squeeze the life out of them on Europe me thinks.

Cessna_Pilot

They'll flood Dublin now, in an attempt to crush Aer Lingus once and for all.

Aer lingus know it too, hence the expansion in transatlantic stuff where they are safe from Ryanair...for now

weisses

I'm waiting for the Kerry/cork announcements

IngazZagni

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

They'll flood Dublin now, in an attempt to crush Aer Lingus once and for all.

Aer lingus know it too, hence the expansion in transatlantic stuff where they are safe from Ryanair...for now

They won't flood Dublin, they don't have the excess capacity to do that right now. They are acting on the promise they made by adding an extra 1 million pax from Ireland next year. Probably half of that will be at Dublin. That is a big addition to services for sure but I wouldn't call it "flooding". Remember they are adding an extra million pax at Stansted airport alone next year too.

bikeman1

Plenty of scope to increase the frequencies on the UK routes IMO, back to the levels of 2006-08.

It would be nice to see a few more routes to Central Europe.

GTE

Though from what I hear, such is the mass exodus of pilots, for the first time they may not have any standby pilots in Dublin for this month and would have to bring them in from mainland Europe with the addition that a proportion of staff yearly hours are being used up twice as fast as would be the norm.

I am guessing from conversations that this is the beginning of a new chapter for the airline where you could look back and say "that was a bad move". May be a few years for that to materialise though.

christy c

bbk wrote: »

Though from what I hear, such is the mass exodus of pilots, for the first time they may not have any standby pilots in Dublin for this month and would have to bring them in from mainland Europe with the addition that a proportion of staff yearly hours are being used up twice as fast as would be the norm.

I am guessing from conversations that this is the beginning of a new chapter for the airline where you could look back and say "that was a bad move". May be a few years for that to materialise though.

You could be right but the same sort of doom and gloom pilot stories have been going around for years. We'll wait and see

basill

For every FR pilot that tells you that they max out at 900 hours a year and make 6 figure salaries you will get many more that find it hard to break the 500 mark and are stuck in some hell hole base somewhere trying to get home. It's always smoke and mirrors with FR. It works to their advantage and I cant see it changing anytime soon.

GTE

basill wrote: »

For every FR pilot that tells you that they max out at 900 hours a year and make 6 figure salaries you will get many more that find it hard to break the 500 mark and are stuck in some hell hole base somewhere trying to get home. It's always smoke and mirrors with FR. It works to their advantage and I cant see it changing anytime soon.

Well, that is what I am saying. They are having to bring in people usually based somewhere else to fill in for shortages over here. Given a pilot uptake that is low enough, that can not be sustained.

urajoke

This year I figured last night Dublin would hit just short of 20 million maybe 100,000 short of it based on a growth of 4.4% over last year (average of every months growth for 2013). So with this growth alone would bring us up to 20.5 million for 2014 (if all seats are filled). It'll be interesting to see what happens post "gathering" with reference to passenger numbers.

If growth was to continue at 5% then it might only be 3 years till 28R is green lit.

I see Luxair are back next year, it'll be interesting to see how many other airlines come back to Dublin

munchkin_utd

I was hoping they might start Nuremberg (Munich north?) - Dublin but they announced today a clatter of flights over the winter from Nürnberg, all sun flights except Stansted, so thats one destination which might have done well from Dublin at least during the summer months, seemingly ignored again.

wretcheddomain

Crossing fingers they'll announce the following routes...

Dublin - New York (€50 return)

Dublin - Melbourne (€150 return)

Dublin - South Africa (€100 return)

What's the likelihood of these groundbreaking announcements? :-)

Stinicker

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Crossing fingers they'll announce the following routes...

Dublin - New York (€50 return)

Dublin - Melbourne (€150 return)

Dublin - South Africa (€100 return)

What's the likelihood of these groundbreaking announcements? :-)

Ryanair will be utilizing ultra new aircraft on those routes, The 797-1100, boeing has nicknamed this aircraft, "the flying pig".

Seriously though, I'd hate for Ryanair to flood Dublin, they made easy work of Wizz Air down in Cork last winter and blew them out of the water in a matter of weeks. I nabbed a €50/return flight to Warsaw-Modlin at the time and that included 15kgs bags and all the fees and it was totally uneconomic for any airline.

beer enigma

Out of interest what is the furthest destination they could fly from Dublin using the existing fleet ?

Shamrock231

About the Canaries before you start looking at having to limit payload or having to stop enroute for fuel. Even some times on the Canary routes they need to stop off on the way back some times to pick up fuel, so that's a push.

ballooba

Shamrock231 wrote: »

Even some times on the Canary routes they need to stop off on the way back some times to pick up fuel, so that's a push.

For rizzle?

jimbojetdriver

Shamrock231 wrote:

About the Canaries before you start looking at having to limit payload or having to stop enroute for fuel. Even some times on the Canary routes they need to stop off on the way back some times to pick up fuel, so that's a push.

ballooba wrote: »

For rizzle?

No way, the 800's that Ryanair use would never have to stop off for fuel on a Canaries - Dublin flight. In fact all crew have just recently been trained for operating at a new maximum take-off weight category for the 737-800.

Sure only this month they have started flights from the Canaries to Stockholm....6 hours block time and no need to stop for fuel!!

Who knows what O'Leary is planning but we could quite easily make the Greek Islands now. There is still the application that was made to Russia at the start of the year to gain access over there so it's anyone's guess really.

My money would be on some new route announcements tomorrow though, maybe Cyprus or Greece!!

Jamie2k9

This year I figured last night Dublin would hit just short of 20 million maybe 100,000 short of it based on a growth of 4.4% over last year (average of every months growth for 2013). So with this growth alone would bring us up to 20.5 million for 2014 (if all seats are filled). It'll be interesting to see what happens post "gathering" with reference to passenger numbers.

If growth was to continue at 5% then it might only be 3 years till 28R is green lit.

I see Luxair are back next year, it'll be interesting to see how many other airlines come back to Dublin

Green light, will Ryanair want to pay the "increased charges" that will come with the new runway....

urajoke

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Green light, will Ryanair want to pay the "increased charges" that will come with the new runway....

They won't have a choice. Well they could up and leave but will the new "caring" Ryanair do that, cut off their nose to spite their face.

While their is a cost to them it will certainly reduce delays into and out of the airport as the single runway reaches capacity.

scudzilla

9 new routes

Almeria Bari Basel Bucharest Chania Comiso Lisbon Marrakesh & Prague

munchkin_utd

scudzilla wrote: »

9 new routes

Almeria Bari Basel Bucharest Chania Comiso Lisbon Marrakesh & Prague

so.......
maybe Basel for incoming tourists, with Bucharest being a shuttle service for some of Ireland new welcome guests from Romania, otherwise its all sun and holiday destinations for the Irish market.

scudzilla

Pretty disapointed that Chania is the only Greek one, the airport is on the arse end of crete

urajoke

Jesus just nine is that it.

LXFlyer

urajoke wrote: »

Jesus just nine is that it.

Well there are extra flights as well.

There are (over Summer 2013):

• 1 extra daily return flight to each of:
  • Bristol
  • Birmingham
  • Edinburgh
  • Prestwick
  • Stansted
  • Manchester
• 1 extra return flight per week to:
  • Nice
  • Madrid

IngazZagni

An extra 700,000 pax will be handled by Ryanair out of Dublin next year.

http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryanair-opens-9-new-dublin-routes-from-april-2014

ScottSF

Any idea when these new routes from Dublin will go on sale at Ryanair.com? I bet the lowest fares will be very limited and sell out fast. I recall purchasing return tickets for 2 people to Tallinn when that route was announced a few years back for only 91 EUR total which was awesome.

munchkin_utd

IngazZagni wrote: »

An extra 700,000 pax will be handled by Ryanair out of Dublin next year.

http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryanair-opens-9-new-dublin-routes-from-april-2014

indeed, and aside from the UK flight frequency increases, its of little benefit to the tourism industry which Ryanair is basing a lot of its self congratulating on and was justifying the removal of the air tax on.

and even then, the UK flights which are explicitly mentioned as a means to reverse falling uk tourist figures will be a lot of family flights to and from the UK where you arent getting any hotel stays, so even there the tourist benefit isnt as great as is claimed.

L1011

Expanding Bristol is a definite 'get off of my lawn!' attempt at EI, that route must be hideously over-served by this stage?

T1 retailers will be extremely happy with this; and anything with starts pushing the traffic figures towards the magic number where the second runway is brought back on the table has to be welcomed.

IngazZagni

This whole "300" new jobs thing is a complete fad. There is no expansion in Ryanair next year. Ryanair have said themselves that this capacity will have to be taken out of various continental European airports and into Ireland. These new jobs will simply be transferred from those airports and into Dublin and Shannon.

christy c

IngazZagni wrote: »

This whole "300" new jobs thing is a complete fad. There is no expansion in Ryanair next year. Ryanair have said themselves that this capacity will have to be taken out of various continental European airports and into Ireland. These new jobs will simply be transferred from those airports and into Dublin and Shannon.

300 new jobs in Ireland they said, doesn't matter matter if those jobs are being transferred from the moon.

Whether that figure is accurate or not is another story

munchkin_utd

MYOB wrote: »

T1 retailers will be extremely happy with this; and anything with starts pushing the traffic figures towards the magic number where the second runway is brought back on the table has to be welcomed.

thats maybe the one place where you will see a jobs effect as it was noticable that there was a few places shut up in T1 when I was there recently and down in the old area B (the circular place used by aer lingus as overflow in the morning) the quietness was even more noticable.

IngazZagni

Don't get me wrong it's great for the airport. I believe that Dublin will be the only route that Ryanair serve from Bucharest, Basel and Prague, for now at least.

bikeman1

Ok, Ryanair have announced that they will operate extra flights, granted a number of them are to the sun and we complain.

If you are involved in the tourist sector, every extra person who is coming to the country, should be congratulated. With an extra 100 flights a week, there is bound to be an increase in tourists coming here. This should welcomed and not begrudged as we typically do in Ireland.

The spin off with extra flights operating, even if everyone is leaving on holidays, is worth celebrating for the airport.

Also believe it or not, the UK is a massive market for Irish tourism and the short 2/3 day break, so with the extra flights at lower fares, this will bring in more of these UK tourists which I believe have fallen in recent years.

christy c

What are FR and EI's traffic figures at Dublin? Will FR be far off after this?

Stevek101

MYOB wrote: »

T1 retailers will be extremely happy with this

Been in T1 lately? Bit late for that. :pac:

L1011

Stevek101 wrote: »

Been in T1 lately? Bit late for that. :pac:

Last time was a dive through the tunnel to get to the bigger Champion Sports during the summer, and I did notice it was beginning to get a bit empty...

Stevek101

MYOB wrote: »

Last time was a dive through the tunnel to get to the bigger Champion Sports during the summer, and I did notice it was beginning to get a bit empty...

Champion, Claires, Parfois, Swatch/Hour Passion all gone recently. (With House of Ireland gone to T1X and Wrights to follow) Anyway it is a great announcement for T1. Plus by the time the routes start the revamp and reconfiguration of the retail should be mostly complete.

ProfessorPlum

jimbojetdriver wrote: »

No way, the 800's that Ryanair use would never have to stop off for fuel on a Canaries - Dublin flight. In fact all crew have just recently been trained for operating at a new maximum take-off weight category for the 737-800.

Sure only this month they have started flights from the Canaries to Stockholm....6 hours block time and no need to stop for fuel!!

Who knows what O'Leary is planning but we could quite easily make the Greek Islands now. There is still the application that was made to Russia at the start of the year to gain access over there so it's anyone's guess really.

My money would be on some new route announcements tomorrow though, maybe Cyprus or Greece!!

Fuel stops out of the canaries are usually due to terrain clearance issues at MTOW rather than range. Lanzarote rings a bell. Can the 737 do MTOW at high temps on the most restrictive runways?

serfboard

When are these things going live?

Am very interested in the increased frequency to Birmingham so went on the website there and went to see if I could book for next June, but it's only showing three flights out and 3 back. Supposed to be 8, so should be 4 & 4?

GTE

April-ish, it is when the travel tax change takes place. Give them a wee chance to update their site.

Cosmo Kramer

The routes are usually bookable by mid morning of the day after an announcement. Not sure why they don't have them ready on the same day as they probably lose a few bookings as a result.

kelso00

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

The routes are usually bookable by mid morning of the day after an announcement. Not sure why they don't have them ready on the same day as they probably lose a few bookings as a result.

tickets are now available, at least for Crete - from 40 euro RT

L1011

Stevek101 wrote: »

Champion, Claires, Parfois, Swatch/Hour Passion all gone recently. (With House of Ireland gone to T1X and Wrights to follow) Anyway it is a great announcement for T1. Plus by the time the routes start the revamp and reconfiguration of the retail should be mostly complete.

Didn't realise it had got that bad. Time to start advertising the shops in T1 from T2 - and to keep the link corridor clean, never seen anywhere as badly littered airside in any other airport.

suerte

Ryanair to fly to DUB to Moscow - lovely, always wanted to go there

www.irishtimes.com

ScottSF

I just read the same thing. Very interesting though a bit surprising since you need a visa to visit Russia. I think it will be the first place that Ryanair flies to from Dublin that requires you get a tourist visa in advance. I wonder if the Russian embassy will be able to handle the additional applications.

Mister R

If I recall correctly O'Leary has been eyeing Israel, Russia and North Africa since about 2008 and nothing came of anyone of it, but it seems this is actually serious (well concerning Russia anyway).

Yeah as you said there are visa restrictions with Russia, according to wikipedia only a few countries (mainly South American and former USSR have visa free tourism in Russia).

bikeman1

Have you looled at Ryanair's route map recently? They fly to pretty much every main airport in Morrocco.

Israel is a delicate place and a lot of processes have to be in place before you fly there. EasyJet have started, I would imagine Ryanair will start in time.

Russia, well here we go.

These markets take time to develop. Fair play to Fr for looking beyond traditional markets. It would be great to have Russian tourists come to Ireland or even transit through DUB onto EI to the US.

Mister R

Morocco is one place in North Africa, there is also Tunisia and Egypt? I get Algeria would be somewhat unlikely particularly without a French hub (maybe Brussels would work) but those 2 are holiday hot spots.

Easyjet have been more successful in recent years at breaking into new markets like Serbia, Jordan, Israel, Egypt, and Russia.

zone 1

iceland there has been talk as well....