Urgent help need. Expired passport

Son0vagun

My girlfriend is due to fly to Liverpool from on Thursday with Ryanair. She's a British citizen and has just found out her passport is two months out of date.

What can she do?

We are clueless. What are the chances of her getting the flight?

Beano

The only hope she has is the staff at the gate not noticing that it is out of date. not odds i would fancy

YbFocus

Friend got through before with an expired passport, wait for the rush to hit then join the queue, chances are they'll just start pulling tabs and taking a quick glance at the passport to keep timing right!

Son0vagun

That would involve putting a fake expiry date on her checking, is that Freud?

YbFocus

It would be, passport fraud is a biggie, but your not getting trough any other way.
Aer lingus would have been grand with basically any ID.

This should probably be moved to travel?

Shakti

All Irish or British citizens need to travel between Ireland and the U.K. is photo I.D. as it is a 'common travel area'. Having said this Ryanair may mess you around regardless were as Aer Lingus will not.

YbFocus

Shakti wrote: »

All Irish or British citizens need to travel between Ireland and the U.K. is photo I.D. as it is a 'common travel area'. Having said this Ryanair may mess you around regardless were as Aer Lingus will not.

Ryanair will not let you board without a passport, its just their policy.

CaptainSkidmark

Get the ferry and use your licence?

come to think of it i often went through Rosslare without being asked for id on either side

Son0vagun

YbFocus wrote: »

Ryanair will not let you board without a passport, its just their policy.

Will they let you board with an expired passport.

We are now thinking about the Ferry route.

Shakti

YbFocus wrote: »

Ryanair will not let you board without a passport, its just their policy.

Actually they (Ryanair) are in violation of policy, it's just another cash trap, but the good news is the op can get to their destination if they choose Aer Lingus.

YbFocus

Son0vagun wrote: »

Will they let you board with an expired passport.

We are now thinking about the Ferry route.

If they notice it at all then no they won't sorry. What about flying with aer lingus? they'll even take a student ID.

Son0vagun

Aer Lingus don't fly to Liverpool.

YbFocus

Ahh, that solves that

coylemj

YbFocus wrote: »

It would be, passport fraud is a biggie, but your not getting trough any other way.
Aer lingus would have been grand with basically any ID.

This should probably be moved to travel?

A 'biggie' what exactly? Lying to Ryanair about your passport expiration date is not a crime, especially since legally you don't need a passport to travel between the UK and Ireland.

Son0vagun

Looking like she'll get the ferry over, get her passport sorted in Liverpool and then fly back with her original return flight with Ryanair.

YbFocus

coylemj wrote: »

A 'biggie' what exactly? Lying to Ryanair about your passport expiration date is not a crime, especially since legally you don't need a passport to travel between the UK and Ireland.

Lying about your passport is a type of fraud ain't it?
I think if for some ****ed up reason you were brought up over it even if you didn't need it you may well be done over it?
Just an opinion man, just if something was to go wrong is it worth it?

Shakti

Son0vagun wrote: »

Aer Lingus don't fly to Liverpool.

Damn it, they do fly to Manchester though, anyway safe journey.

smurfjed

and then fly back with her original return flight with Ryanair.

I believe that even though Ryanair sell you two one way flights, they are sold as a package, so if she doesn't fly over, then she won't be able to use the return ticket. This is actually common for most airlines, not just Ryanair as it prevents people buying cheap return tickets and just using one way.

SimonQuinlank

I missed an outgoing flight from Dublin to Luton with Ryanair so headed over later with Aer Lingus to Heathrow.No bother with my return flight from Luton to Dub with Ryanair even though I didn't use the outgoing ticket.

bikeman1

Ryanair sell you two single flights. No problem if you dont use the outbound of a return flight.

I would try it with Ryanair and have back up ID. They don't even have the ID on the boarding card anymore. Everytime I board they only give a quick glance which seems to be a name check more thank anything else. Worst comes to worse you have to head to the port. Best outcome, she gets on the flight, border control (if the check the flight) will accept another form of valid ID apart from a passport.

FWVT

Remember that to check in online with Ryanair you need to put in your passpprt number and expiry. I wonder if you put in a wrong date would they know?

murphym7

Shakti wrote: »

Actually they (Ryanair) are in violation of policy, it's just another cash trap, but the good news is the op can get to their destination if they choose Aer Lingus.

How is it another cash trap? I am not a Ryanair cheerleader, but fair is fair. What do Ryanair get out of having a policy of only accepting passports, right or wrong, I don't see the financial gain??

pclancy

Moving to Travel forum

munchkin_utd

smurfjed wrote: »

I believe that even though Ryanair sell you two one way flights, they are sold as a package, so if she doesn't fly over, then she won't be able to use the return ticket. This is actually common for most airlines, not just Ryanair as it prevents people buying cheap return tickets and just using one way.

nope,
other "full service" airlines like Lufthansa will not allow you to return on a ticket if the outbound (or one of the out bound) legs wasnt traveled.
But that is because their pricing is still bonkers and you will pay possibly 600euro for an economy one way in europe but 150 for a return.

BUT

our customer friendly Ryanair explicitly do not operate this way and you do not need to use up the first leg of the journey because they only sell point to point and every leg is priced as a one way anyhow, i.e. theres no discount for buying a return.

Son0vagun

Thanks for all the replies. Very much appreciated.

dubdaymo

Shakti wrote: »

it's just another cash trap,

Nonsense. Whether you agree with their policy or not it has nothing to do with cash.

munchkin_utd

dubdaymo wrote: »

Nonsense. Whether you agree with their policy or not it has nothing to do with cash.

+1
Ryanair are just standardising their procedures to make them idiot proof.

Same as they ask for full passport details when going anywhere in europe even though only Spain needs those details

Heres an aer lingus link to explain the system, which Ryanair doesn need on their website as they just make everyone jump through that loop, which is an almighty pain if checking in a family
http://www.aerlingus.com/i18n/en/htmlPopups/apis_spain_help.html

Son0vagun

She has checked in luggage, they're bound to cop it then.

She's booking the ferry.

munchkin_utd

Son0vagun wrote: »

She has checked in luggage, they're bound to cop it then.

She's booking the ferry.

they will cop it as on both legs of my last journey a month ago where we had a checked in bag and all passports (i.e. for me, the wife and the 2 kids) were checked fairly detailed by the person on the checkin desk

BTW, tangent, but charging for bags was a stroke of genious by Ryanair as it really does eliminate all but the few who really need to bring luggage and theres no stress with massive queues. But on the other side the queues are so sparse that the staff have plenty of time to scrutinise passports thoroughly!!

jjbrien

Cant she go to the British Embassy in Dublin and sort the passport issue before she leaves?

kerry4sam

Son0vagun wrote: »

My girlfriend is due to fly to Liverpool from on Thursday with Ryanair. She's a British citizen and has just found out her passport is two months out of date.

What can she do?

We are clueless. What are the chances of her getting the flight?

jjbrien wrote: »

Cant she go to the British Embassy in Dublin and sort the passport issue before she leaves?

^^ This is what I would recommend. She would have today and tomorrow to have this sorted.


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kerry4sam

dm09

coylemj wrote: »

A 'biggie' what exactly? Lying to Ryanair about your passport expiration date is not a crime, especially since legally you don't need a passport to travel between the UK and Ireland.

If you travel from Ireland to UK you still have to pass Immigration check in UK, I know this to be case in Stansted even though it confused me with common area agreement, maybe its to stop criminals moving jurisdiction.
Best chance would be to fly from Belfast or take ferry

coylemj

dm09 wrote: »

If you travel from Ireland to UK you still have to pass Immigration check in UK, I know this to be case in Stansted even though it confused me with common area agreement, maybe its to stop criminals moving jurisdiction.

You also pass through immigration when you arrive in Dublin airport from any airport in the UK so there's nothing strange there, it's simply because with the volume of passengers, they cannot segregate the different flights so everyone has to go through an immigration desk.

If you arrive in Stansted from Dublin and are stopped by the police or immigration, all you have to do is show your boarding pass to establish that you have travelled from Ireland, at that stage you do not need a passport so it would be a matter of showing them anything with your photo on it, you could even flash the expired passport - you do not cease to be an Irish citizen on the day your passport expires.

Shakti

murphym7 wrote: »

How is it another cash trap? I am not a Ryanair cheerleader, but fair is fair. What do Ryanair get out of having a policy of only accepting passports, right or wrong, I don't see the financial gain??

You don't fly and they keep your cash

Absoluvely

Shakti wrote: »

You don't fly and they keep your cash

I don't think that the savings on fuel and time and cleaning from no-shows would fully compensate for the losses on in-flight sales and in-flight advertising.

bikeman1 wrote: »

Ryanair sell you two single flights.

Ryanair only sell you two single flights if you book them separately. Otherwise you have a single booking for return flights.

One difference is that if you have a booking for return flights, and if the first flight is cancelled, you're entitled to a refund for both flights.

If you've booked two one-way flights, you only get a refund for the cancelled flight.

Shakti

Absoluvely wrote: »

I don't think that the savings on fuel and time and cleaning from no-shows would fully compensate for the losses on in-flight sales and in-flight advertising.

You mean cleaning up the mess the person never made on the flight they never got on, selling the seat to a standby who may buy the tat or grog and suffer the inane advertising.

Why do you think they choose to contradict policy and give two fingers to Green and Shatter and everyone who travels within the CTA on their airline?

schemingbohemia

Shakti wrote: »

You mean cleaning up the mess the person never made on the flight they never got on, selling the seat to a standby who may buy the tat or grog and suffer the inane advertising.

Why do you think they choose to contradict policy and give two fingers to Green and Shatter and everyone who travels within the CTA on their airline?[/QUOTE]

They have the same rules all over Europe, no State ID (which most EU countries have) no Passport no travel.

It's nothing to do with immigration it's to do with their rules which you agree to when you purchase the flight, it's all very simple really.

There are other airlines that don't apply this rule, so just use them if you don't have a passport, there is no obligation on anyone to use Ryanair.