Dunnes Stores - nice merchandise...(?)

The Sweeper

Also know as the 'wtf was your buyer thinking?' thread.

Snapped in Dunnes this week:

Tigger99

Or wtf are you thinking putting that daft t-shirt in this forum?

Amirani

Tigger99 wrote: »

Or wtf are you thinking putting that daft t-shirt in this forum?

If you have a problem with a post Tigger99, please use the report post function.

The Sweeper

Tigger99 wrote: »

Or wtf are you thinking putting that daft t-shirt in this forum?

Well that's the point, isn't it? I believe someone has already complained about this T-shirt, only to be told by Dunnes that seeing as they are the only complainant, Dunnes would not be removing the merchandise.

I can't imagine what reaction someone wearing that t-shirt would hope to provoke...

Sauve

The Sweeper wrote: »

I can't imagine what reaction someone wearing that t-shirt would hope to provoke...

It sure as heck wouldn't be pretty

The Sweeper

Stephens Green shopping centre, if anyone would like to join me in contacting them?

ted1

The Sweeper wrote: »

Stephens Green shopping centre, if anyone would like to join me in contacting them?

What would be the basis of the complaint?

Tigger99

I completely misread the first post, apologies The Sweeper. I had a brain fart!

The Sweeper

ted1 wrote: »

What would be the basis of the complaint?

Your t-shirt is sexist and unfunny. I'd like you to stop stocking it, and suggest you think twice about stocking such blatantly sexist material. If you choose to ignore my complaint that's fine, I'll choose not to spend my money with you. Chrstxbye.

ted1

The Sweeper wrote: »

Your t-shirt is sexist and unfunny. I'd like you to stop stocking it, and suggest you think twice about stocking such blatantly sexist material. If you choose to ignore my complaint that's fine, I'll choose not to spend my money with you. Chrstxbye.

Each to their own. Personally I think its daft to complain about something like this as it tends to dilute real issues that should be complained about.
Any idea what the factory and working conditions are like in the factories that make there clothes?

Sauve

Mod

Ted1 - don't try to drag the thread off-topic. If you don't like the topic then don't post.
Sauve.

meeeeh

There are three types of t shirts I can't stand. Sports jerseys outside sporting events, work tshirts outside work and idiotic slogan t shirts. The last ones are especially stupid and usually portray very poor picture of the people wearing them. I don't think this one is any worse than stuff that is already around.

ted1

Sauve wrote: »

Mod

Ted1 - don't try to drag the thread off-topic. If you don't like the topic then don't post.
Sauve.

I wouldn't say I'm pulling it off topic. Simply putting a different perspective and opinion on it.
This is a discussion board.

I think it's a bit daft and immature but I wouldn't call it sexist

krankykitty

These tshirts serve as a really useful idiot filter, can just avoid those who wear them!

Oryx

I think a teeshirt like that serves a very useful purpose. It identifies the wearer as a jerk before you even have to talk to them.

The Sweeper

ted1 wrote: »

Each to their own. Personally I think its daft to complain about something like this as it tends to dilute real issues that should be complained about.

'The standard you walk past is the standard you accept.'

ShiverinEskimo

The tshirt is showing how an abused boyfriend/husband reacts to verbal abuse from his partner/spouse by remaining calm and avoiding escalation, ignoring the abuse and removing the chance for the bully to inflict further insult.

The Sweeper

bluewolf wrote: »

I think it's a bit daft and immature but I wouldn't call it sexist

Given that sexism includes stereotyping gender roles (nagging woman) and can include the implication that one sex is better than the other (clever man solves 'problem' of nagging woman) I think it's pretty much the poster t-shirt for sexism.

This sort of idle, random, opportunistic crap is precisely what bolsters greater sexist attitudes, normalising them and broadcasting them far and wide. It's even more frustrating because it's so utterly unnecessary - don't choose this, from the thousands of options for a t-shirt; don't buy a range of it in for your stores, don't stock it, don't sell it.

So the person who took the photograph complained to the manager at Dunnes, who apparently replied that given she was the only person to complain about it, they wouldn't be doing anything.

...so I'm going to use this form on their website http://www.dunnesstores.com/faqs-contact-us/content/fcp-content to just register the fact that I think it's a cheap shot and unnecessary.

I think it's a stupid tshirt that happens to have a smug idiot who is male avoiding a female. I don't think it's playing into stereotypes

But I mean if you & other people have a problem with it and complain, okay

Dolbert

I'd put it in the same category as those 'if found, return to the pub' T-shirts - inane and stupid but I wouldn't be particularly offended by a guy wearing it (I may, however, instantly assume that he is an idiot).

wallycharlo

It shows a female character blowing her top, in a very agressive looking manner, while the male character seeks relief from the confrontation through music.

Why on earth would someone want to try and reason / converse with someone who is being aggressive like that? Morale that I would take from this is lose your temper, lose the argument.

kylith

I used to wear a t-shirt that read "Boys are stupid. Throw rocks at them". Is that also sexist and deserving of complaint, or do we sometimes need to remember that sometimes people wear clothes with stupid, unfunny jokes on them?

Sleepy

Does nobody see the irony in the OP posting to a female orientated forum seeking to raise a group to nag a company for stereotyping women as being nags?

IvyTheTerrible

Sleepy wrote: »

Does nobody see the irony in the OP posting to a female orientated forum seeking to raise a group to nag a company for stereotyping women as being nags?

Is raising a complaint about something you perceive as sexist nagging?

ShiverinEskimo

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

Is raising a complaint about something you perceive as sexist nagging?

Let's not get into definitions. Complaining/harrassing/nagging are all sides of the same die. And all things that should be avoided unless absolutely necessary on the basis that life is simply far too short.

Having said that, in one of life's beautiful little coincidences I think The Sweeper may have a bigger fish to fry than Dunnes Stores.

Check out Google's own example of the usage of the word 'nagging'. You couldn't make it up.

RoscommonTom

It's harmless enough, theres far worse out there

Sleepy

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

Is raising a complaint about something you perceive as sexist nagging?

I didn't say the OP was wrong, I just found it ironic...

Hazys

The Sweeper wrote: »

Given that sexism includes stereotyping gender roles (nagging woman) and can include the implication that one sex is better than the other (clever man solves 'problem' of nagging woman) I think it's pretty much the poster t-shirt for sexism.

This sort of idle, random, opportunistic crap is precisely what bolsters greater sexist attitudes, normalising them and broadcasting them far and wide. It's even more frustrating because it's so utterly unnecessary - don't choose this, from the thousands of options for a t-shirt; don't buy a range of it in for your stores, don't stock it, don't sell it.

So the person who took the photograph complained to the manager at Dunnes, who apparently replied that given she was the only person to complain about it, they wouldn't be doing anything.

...so I'm going to use this form on their website http://www.dunnesstores.com/faqs-contact-us/content/fcp-content to just register the fact that I think it's a cheap shot and unnecessary.

*puts on headphones*

Little Acorn

At first glance I thought the lady was puking on the other person, and then was confused as to why headphones would help this situation.
It's been a long day.........

Hazys

Being serious, isn't there a million ads on TV where the men are portray as dopey and cannot complete the most simple of tasks till the wife intervenes. Like where the dopey husband can't find the paracetamol but the smart wife can in an instant.

The vast majority are harmless, yes some are worth fighting for but the T-shirt in Dunnes is at the bottom of the harmless spectrum. Thank god the OP hasn't googled tshirthell :eek:

ted1

Hazys wrote: »

Being serious, isn't there a million ads on TV where the men are portray as dopey and cannot complete the most simple of tasks till the wife intervenes. Like where the dopey husband can't find the paracetamol but the smart wife can in an instant.

The vast majority are harmless, yes some are worth fighting for but the T-shirt in Dunnes is at the bottom of the harmless spectrum. Thank god the OP hasn't googled tshirthell :eek:

Peppa Pig comes to mind With the constant "Silly Daddy Pig"

Amirani

Hazys wrote: »

Being serious, isn't there a million ads on TV where the men are portray as dopey and cannot complete the most simple of tasks till the wife intervenes. Like where the dopey husband can't find the paracetamol but the smart wife can in an instant.

Hazys, you've already received a warning in this thread. What you've posted above is whataboutery, a breach of the forum charter. Please read the charter before considering posting again.

Henry9

The Sweeper wrote: »

Given that sexism includes stereotyping gender roles (nagging woman) and can include the implication that one sex is better than the other (clever man solves 'problem' of nagging woman) I think it's pretty much the poster t-shirt for sexism.

LOL Really??? This is the poster t-shirt for sexism.
Not the prepubescent girls dressed like strippers, not a slogan making a joke about rape or domestic violence?
A lad with earphones on to avoid hearing a woman giving out.

The Sweeper

Henry9 wrote: »

LOL Really??? This is the poster t-shirt for sexism.
Not the prepubescent girls dressed like strippers, not a slogan making a joke about rape or domestic violence?
A lad with earphones on to avoid hearing a woman giving out.

Hey - you seem to have some additional text on your screen when you read this thread. I was saying I believe the t-shirt is a very accurate representation of a sexist image. Wherever you saw the stuff about the prepubescent girls, rape or domestic violence, it wasn't on my post or on this thread.

...OH HEY WAIT A MINUTE...

Jerrica

Some major hyperbole on the way but I'm willingly using it to make a point.

Hazys wrote: »

The vast majority are harmless, yes some are worth fighting for but the T-shirt in Dunnes is at the bottom of the harmless spectrum. Thank god the OP hasn't googled tshirthell :eek:

The vast majority of diseases in the world, but the majority of them don't kill you. Does that make only the fatal ones worth fighting for?

The whole notion of ranking discrimination according to the perceived offensiveness of the statement or behaviour is horse poop. If it's prejudicial, it's wrong.

Henry9 wrote:

LOL Really??? This is the poster t-shirt for sexism.
Not the prepubescent girls dressed like strippers, not a slogan making a joke about rape or domestic violence?
A lad with earphones on to avoid hearing a woman giving out.

It's an example of sexism, where did the OP, or anyone for that matter, say that it was any more or less severe than any other kinds? Again, do we just ignore the "low level" stuff because it's not fight-worthy?

ShiverinEskimo

Jerrica wrote: »

It's an example of sexism, where did the OP, or anyone for that matter, say that it was any more or less severe than any other kinds? Again, do we just ignore the "low level" stuff because it's not fight-worthy?

In all fairness being offended is a personal situation and that person's problem.

This all-encompassing PC bridgade has gotten out of control. If you're offended that's your problem, nobody elses. It doesn't give you any special rights, it doesn't give you any entitlements. You find something offensive? So what? Anything has the potential to be found offensive if an individual believes it to be so. Where does it stop?

It's sad to see people coiled up like a spring just waiting for the next thing to be outraged about. Some it seems just can't wait for their next hit of offended. But of course, the major stuff gets a pass because it's so much easier to fill out a feedback form on the Dunnes website than take on something big actually worth fixing.

Nothing but good old fashioned arm-chair activism.

You seem pretty outraged about possible outrage

If you're offended that's your problem, nobody elses.

Maybe if you're offended by her complaint, that's your problem ^^

ShiverinEskimo

bluewolf wrote: »

You seem pretty outraged about possible outrage


Maybe if you're offended by her complaint, that's your problem ^^

I'm not offended by her complaint. I find it quite funny in reality.

If I were offended though, you're right, that would be my problem. Glad you agree with my original point.

Henry9

Jerrica wrote: »

It's an example of sexism, where did the OP, or anyone for that matter, say that it was any more or less severe than any other kinds? Again, do we just ignore the "low level" stuff because it's not fight-worthy?

Er, when she said it was THE (poster) t shirt for sexism.

RacoonQueen

The Sweeper wrote: »

Your t-shirt is sexist and unfunny. I'd like you to stop stocking it, and suggest you think twice about stocking such blatantly sexist material. If you choose to ignore my complaint that's fine, I'll choose not to spend my money with you. Chrstxbye.

What is sexist about it? It doesn't portray women as anything negative whatsoever.

It's a bit of a fun. It's a t-shirt. It wouldn't change my opinion or give me a perception of the wearer.

It's a t-shirt.

Do not understand the reaction in this thread at all...certainly don't understand what there is to complain to Dunnes about.

ted1

ted1 wrote: »

Each to their own. Personally I think its daft to complain about something like this as it tends to dilute real issues that should be complained about.
Any idea what the factory and working conditions are like in the factories that make there clothes?

I never understand this as an argument.

It's very possible to care about what you call the 'real' issues and care about the white noise of pervading sexist nonsense (both ways) too.

If you let all the little stuff slide, it just makes it tacitly acceptable. I don't understand the either/or perspective at all.

meeeeh

Ok I agree it's not overly sexists or at least not in the way that matters. It just repeats 'nagging wife' stereotype. But unfunny poster T Shirts are my pet hate and as somebody said good indicator who to avoid.

RacoonQueen

meeeeh wrote: »

Ok I agree it's not overly sexists or at least not in the way that matters. It just repeats 'nagging wife' stereotype. But unfunny poster T Shirts are my pet hate and as somebody said good indicator who to avoid.

Can you tell me how? Maybe it would indicate that the person has a good sense of humour and is a good laugh. Or that they just picked up an oul t-shirt in Dunnes, cos they're a bloke and thats how men shop...

So basically, most of you on this thread are saying you judge men by the clothes they wear?

ShiverinEskimo

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

In all fairness being offended is a personal situation and that person's problem.

This all-encompassing PC bridgade has gotten out of control. If you're offended that's your problem, nobody elses. It doesn't give you any special rights, it doesn't give you any entitlements. You find something offensive? So what? Anything has the potential to be found offensive if an individual believes it to be so. Where does it stop?

Ah that Stephen Fry argument. Again.

ShiverinEskimo

Candie wrote: »

Ah that Stephen Fry argument. Again.

If the shoe fits...

RacoonQueen

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Can you tell me how?

Nagging woman stereotype, it gets old.

Maybe it would indicate that the person has a good sense of humour and is a good laugh.

I don't understand how anyone can equate those kind of t-shirts with a good sense of humour

Or that they just picked up an oul t-shirt in Dunnes, cos they're a bloke and thats how men shop...

Oh-oh. Incoming negative 'man incapable of shopping' stereotype!

So basically, most of you on this thread are saying you judge men by the clothes they wear?

Nope, just the ones in those kind of t-shirts.

ShiverinEskimo

Candie wrote: »

Oh-oh. Incoming negative 'man incapable of shopping' stereotype!

Stereotypes exist for a reason. If you assume that this t-shirt would be sought after and worn only by raging misogynists and not some normal guy who sees it, smirks at the humour and decides to buy a cheap t-shirt then you have bigger issues.

Candie wrote: »

Nope, just the ones in those kind of t-shirts.

Which is exactly what was said - you judge men on what they wear.

ShiverinEskimo

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

If the shoe fits...

Its a great argument. It takes all the onus off people to behave in a civilised manner or to moderate the expression of their more unpalatable opinions. After all, it's not your fault for being offensive. It's everyone else's fault if you offend them. Fools.

It's a pretty ridiculous argument in fairness, and what makes me especially suspicious of it's use is the almost universal concurrent use of the terms PC Brigade, or my special favourite, PC Gone Mad.

ShiverinEskimo

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

Which is exactly what was said - you judge men on what they wear.

Personally I don't know anyone who would find it clever or humourous.

And 'men' is not the same as 'some men'

ShiverinEskimo

Candie wrote: »

Its a great argument. It takes all the onus off people to behave in a civilised manner or to moderate the expression of their more unpalatable opinions. After all, it's not your fault for being offensive. It's everyone else's fault if you offend them. Fools.

It's a pretty ridiculous argument in fairness, and what makes me especially suspicious of it's use is the almost universal concurrent use of the terms PC Brigade, or my special favourite, PC Gone Mad.

Yea. That tshirt was acting in a seriously uncivilised manner alright. The audacity of it just hanging there waiting to be photographed, uploaded, posted to boards and thrown square in the face of the poor unsuspecting users of this forum. It's an outrage.