North Korea Publicly Execute Folk for watching South Korean TV

Specialun

http://news.sky.com/story/1166848/north-korea-publicly-executes-80-peopleThis is crazy. They even brought the public in to watch..were they selling popcorn too

keeponhurling

What do you expect people to say to this apart from it's disgraceful, very cruel etc.?

intellectual dosser

If it was in place here for people who watch some reality TV shows you might take a different perspective....

biko

We should have that here too, for watching English soaps.

Gummy Panda

biko wrote: »

We should have that here too, for watching English soaps.

GSL must have been too good to miss

Banjo String

Fcuked up country. Little else can be said tbh.

old hippy

I suppose it puts our own woes into perspective.

They'e probably as bad as Nazi Germany was, but at least the Nazis were slightly good to most Germans (at least if you weren't Jewish, gay, black, etc. etc.). There's likely much much worse atrocities against their own people that aren't being leaked.

danniemcq

At least they weren't killed by mortar rounds like an officer was recently. story

My heart goes out to people living in NK though, you can't imagine how messed up it is and nobody can do anything about it (well they can but they won't)

keeponhurling

danniemcq wrote: »

My heart goes out to people living in North Korea Ireland though, you can't imagine how messed up it is and nobody can do anything about it (well they can but they won't)

fixed that for you

old hippy

Deleted User wrote: »

They'e probably as bad as Nazi Germany was, but at least the Nazis were slightly good to most Germans (at least if you weren't Jewish, gay, black, etc. etc.). There's likely much much worse atrocities against their own people that aren't being leaked.

One day the horrible truth over the hundreds of thousands who have been sent to the gulags will out.

In the meantime, I recommend http://nothingtoenvy.com/

danniemcq

Deleted User wrote: »

They'e probably as bad as Nazi Germany was, but at least the Nazis were slightly good to most Germans (at least if you weren't Jewish, gay, black, etc. etc.). There's likely much much worse atrocities against their own people that aren't being leaked.

estimated 100,000 dead in the prison camps now that the size of them from aerial photos has shown that they have shrunk in size story

srsly78

This is a great idea, maybe we can execute people for reading the Indo or the Daily Mail?

danniemcq

keeponhurling wrote: »

fixed that for you

nope no you didn't.

I would gladly live a hundred years in this country with bertie and Biffo running the country than spending a day in a prison camp in North Korea

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Escape-Camp-14-remarkable-odyssey/dp/0330519549/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1384173204&sr=8-1&keywords=escape+from+camp+14

Lord Trollington

No oil or natural resource worthwhile at their disposal will mean this will continue for some time yet.

My name is URL

The unconfirmed killings, said to be the first known large-scale executions by the Kim Jong-Un regime, took place across seven cities earlier this month, a source told South Korea's JoongAng Ilbo Daily.

And that's Sky News saying that. A pinch of salt is needed with any news coming from North Korea.. nevermind unconfirmed, anonymous accounts. Propaganda exists north and south of the DMZ.

keeponhurling

keeponhurling wrote: »

fixed that for you

Seriously. You're comparing Ireland to North Korea?

Christ.

Prodgey

In 100 years, kids will be studying NK as we did the Nazi's and asking how the fcuk everyone stood by and watched.

wrmwit

There's a Dispatches documentary on Channel 4 Thursday night about the goings-on in North Korea if anyone is interested.

Gannicus

srsly78 wrote: »

This is a great idea, maybe we can execute people for reading the Indo Metro or the Daily Mail Star?

There were a couple of spelling mistakes in that.

old hippy

My name is URL wrote: »

And that's Sky News saying that. A pinch of salt is needed with any news coming from North Korea.. nevermind unconfirmed, anonymous accounts. Propaganda exists north and south of the DMZ.

Of course it does but there's plenty of testimonies from people who have fled the regime in NK.

neonman

Why would anyone bring in a child into the world in that country or are they forced to do that as well?

neonman

neonman wrote: »

Why would anyone bring in a child into the world in that country or are they forced to do that as well?

A crazy amount of indoctrination, I would guess.

old hippy

neonman wrote: »

Why would anyone bring in a child into the world in that country or are they forced to do that as well?

People have kids in the worst of places and situations, it's human nature.

Jonny7

My name is URL wrote: »

And that's Sky News saying that. A pinch of salt is needed with any news coming from North Korea.. nevermind unconfirmed, anonymous accounts. Propaganda exists north and south of the DMZ.

It's a very closed country, and solid information is hard to come by, but it's clear the situation is very dire

The UN human rights council is having an on-going inquiry and the stuff that is coming out is absolutely horrific

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10413950/UN-inquiry-chief-reduced-to-tears-by-North-Korea-brutality.html

I'm not sure how accurate this could be- yes, some of it could be seen as Western propaganda, but Vice's feature on "Inside North Korea" is pretty fascinating. Essentially it's that they allow some outsiders in, but give them a very specific version of the country and ensure this is all they see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24R8JObNNQ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw46Ll-Zy4s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HJj85K_7MQ

If you have the time, then it's well worth the watch.

danniemcq

Prodgey wrote: »

In 100 years, kids will be studying NK as we did the Nazi's and asking how the fcuk everyone stood by and watched.

with ww2 concentration camps the allies thought that they couldn't exist the way they were told, they thought nobody could be that evil. it was only the discovery of them during the liberations that they realised just how messed up someone can be.

here is different. yes we know about it but there isn't much that can be done right now due to politics.

Realistically the only countries that have the ability to change anything are Russia, The USA and China. The three know that it would be a horrible war with the use of nuclear weapons a possibility and the use of biological and chemical weapons a certainty.

The US can't do anything as Russia and China are technically allies of NK. the last thing either country wants is more US troops in the area, China have other interests in the area and most of those interests are places the US has promised to protect so if they had more bases in the area it would be a major blow. Russia just don't want to agree with the US on anything and probably gets enough money from NK weapons to keep them happy.

And likewise China and Russia are looking at the sheer scale of the logistics of it. after a liberation you are looking at a country with terrible infrastructure, little or no resources and 24 million people that suddenly need to be fed and cared for. What country in the world could honestly support such an influx of aid requests. So as long as they don't do anything crazy stupid (launch at the US or Japan) then China don't really care.

Its old politics and country ties in the 21st centuary

up for anything

There's no propaganda without fire!

The Kim Jongs are like Henry VIII on meth. There is no way that one person can wield absolute power over another person without taking advantage of it let alone a whole country.

Lapin

Lord Trollington wrote: »

No oil or natural resource worthwhile at their disposal will mean this will continue for some time yet.

If the North Koreans had oil, the US would have 'liberated' them years ago.

Mint Aero

Considering the chubby babyface has a huge collection of foreign filums himself :rolleyes:

c_man

Lord Trollington wrote: »

No oil or natural resource worthwhile at their disposal will mean this will continue for some time yet.

It actually has huge amounts of rare natural minerals, one company last year reckoned on six trillion dollars worth.

You'll need another stick with which to beat the west.

RobertKK

If we lived in North Korea we would put on the charade we adore the leadership, because we would be thinking of our lives and rather die naturally than be machine gunned to death or spend the rest of our lives in a concentration camp.

It is horrific what the ordinary people of that country have to endure, while over the border in the South they have one of the most advanced countries on Earth.

Just so sad and there is nothing we can do, without making things far worse.

WindSock

Meanwhile, it's Chocolate Stick Remembrance day in South Korea.

http://newfocusintl.com/soap-operas-north-korea/


Interesting website by people who have escaped.. One of many articles on South Korean media.

humbert

Having seen South Korean tv I can kind of understand.

ugh

"Relatives of those executed and implicated in their alleged crimes were reportedly sent to prison camps."

Grayson

Specialun wrote: »

They even brought the public in to watch..were they selling popcorn too

Like they have popcorn in north korea.

NuckingFacker

Could the US not just slap a hellfire down on him as he does a walkabout, justify it on grounds of him being a fcuking dwarf hypocrite? Or whatever. fcuk it, say it was an accident?Then when Kim jung pung the fifth or whatever incarnation of little bollix inherits the mantle, zap him too. Keep zapping them till they get the hint. If the Russians or Chinese object, tell them to ask me bollix? In this case, I reckon it's more than justified. Put the bloody drones to some good use for a change.

My name is URL

NuckingFacker wrote: »

Could the US not just slap a hellfire down on him as he does a walkabout, justify it on grounds of him being a fcuking dwarf hypocrite? Or whatever. fcuk it, say it was an accident?Then when Kim jung pung the fifth or whatever incarnation of little bollix inherits the mantle, zap him too. Keep zapping them till they get the hint. If the Russians or Chinese object, tell them to ask me bollix? In this case, I reckon it's more than justified. Put the bloody drones to some good use for a change.

That would be a terrible terrible idea and of literally no benefit to anyone.

For a start, you're assuming that Kim is the one running things, which is frankly absurd.. it's like saying that Queen Lizzy runs the whole show in GB, and not a very carefully planned out hierarchy. They have about 10,000,000 people available for military service, the majority of which would likely be forced to take up arms following such an event.

What happens then? Just bomb the entire populace because they're a threat to the South or its Western influences? Can you imagine the fallout from such a thing... if opposition to the war in Iraq was bad, opposition to the slaughter of millions of innocent people would be unimaginable. It'd be mutually assured destruction for all involved.. politically or otherwise.

Amirani

He's probably the saddest excuse for a human being that exists on this planet right now.

Zebra3

c_man wrote: »

It actually has huge amounts of rare natural minerals, one company last year reckoned on six trillion dollars worth.

You'll need another stick with which to beat the west.

Yeah, there's a lot of wealth under NK, but the US learned a valuable lesson from Vietnam. Only fight wars you're fairly certain you're gonna win easily.*

NK has serious weaponry that could blow the shit out of SK and Japan, two of America's allies (before its inevitable defeat).

*Of course, nobody could account for the stupidity of those in the Bush II regime.

Infini

My name is URL wrote: »

They have about 10,000,000 people available for military service, the majority of which would likely be forced to take up arms following such an event.

Doesnt matter how many they got the truth is their military is antiquated soviet junk that wouldnt stand a chance against a modern army like the US if they were truly serious. Some of their equipment is so out of date that if there really WAS a war theyd be bulldozed easily. This is one of the reasons that they went for nukes as a scare factor more than anything else but even those wouldnt help em and would probably bring about their demise if actually used.

My name is URL wrote: »

What happens then? Just bomb the entire populace because they're a threat to the South or its Western influences? Can you imagine the fallout from such a thing... if opposition to the war in Iraq was bad, opposition to the slaughter of millions of innocent people would be unimaginable. It'd be mutually assured destruction for all involved.. politically or otherwise.

North ("best") Korea is probably one of the few anomalies left over from the cold war. The only reason it still exists is simply because the chinese want it because they dont want the US on their doorstep (which is ironic since the US only stayed there in the first place cos North Korea STARTED the Korean War). It wouldve collapsed outright years ago if not for them. Even so theyre a loose cannon that even the chinese wont want forever. Dont know bout western allies invading at all in the near future with the exception of a rogue nuke goin off which WOULD bring them down for certain.

Much as it would annoy everyone nothing can be done about this bat****crazy waster state even South Korea wouldnt wanna actually go to war or do anything about it in the nearterm unless

1) It eventually collapses from antiquacy and corruption
2) The chinese get fed up with them and their BS and move in and sort it out
3) They let a nuke slip out and detonate somewhere which would lead to a complete kerbstomping by the west.
4) Reunification with south korea over time as they realise being the rogue state doesnt benefit them and is leading them to their demise.

There is oppositon to war and all but god forbid if a NK nuke went off anywhere like a major population centre and it was traced to them then public support for removing that state would be practically carte blanche.

Mike 1972

In the interest of balance it should be pointed out that is is also illegal for South Koreans to receive Northern broadcasts albeit with far less draconian punishment.

Deleted User wrote: »

They'e probably as bad as Nazi Germany was, but at least the Nazis were slightly good to most Germans (at least if you weren't Jewish, gay, black, etc. etc.). There's likely much much worse atrocities against their own people that aren't being leaked.

German citizens were being thrown into camps for listening to foreign radio in 1939 by 1945 they were being executed so the Nazi analogy is perfectly valid. Atrocities are no more/less atrocious when committed against ones own people.

biko wrote: »

We should have that here too, for watching English soaps.

Why English soaps specifically ? Are indigenous versions of the genre somehow more intellectually uplifting ?

Heroditas

danniemcq wrote: »

nope no you didn't.

I would gladly live a hundred years in this country with bertie and Biffo running the country than spending a day in a prison camp in North Korea

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Escape-Camp-14-remarkable-odyssey/dp/0330519549/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1384173204&sr=8-1&keywords=escape+from+camp+14

Good grief, what a horrible life he led until he escaped.

ectoraige

Niiice

NuckingFacker

Heroditas wrote: »

Good grief, what a horrible life he led until he escaped.

He's back, as a management consultant.







:pac:

Howard Juneau

"Team America, fck yeah!"

Pat Mustard

My name is URL wrote: »

For a start, you're assuming that Kim is the one running things, which is frankly absurd.. it's like saying that Queen Lizzy runs the whole show in GB, and not a very carefully planned out hierarchy.

Lizzie is a figurehead monarch, so the comparison isn't fair.

Kim Jong-un is the Supreme Leader of North Korea and Supreme Commander of its armed forces. The CIA notes North Korean government as a 'communist state one-man dictatorship' under Kim Jong-un.

Media reports tend to support this:

Top U.S. intelligence officials say North Korea's new leader is trying to show the world and his people that he is in charge, rather than trying to trigger military conflict.

Kim Jong-un is in charge of North Korea. He is ultimately responsible for the regime that executes its own people.

Like Nuckingfacker said, it'd be nice to drop a hellfire missile on his fat ass. Probably won't do any good, like you say, but it sure would be satisfying.

Not G.R

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NuckingFacker

Not G.R wrote: »

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I for one would like to inform Kimmy, as he well knows it, that he is a psycho, self-serving depraved little maggot who deserves to die wriggling on a large hook. I also reckon he's reading this - Kims an avid Boardsie. He's always posting in the Football forum. He's a nutter for Newcastle. Loves the Magpies.

Jonny7

He's the supreme leader, and yup he is ultimately responsible - but in reality it most likely operates akin to a very high stakes juggling act between the elite, the top military brass and of course the "son of a deity" himself - all of whom know how mortal they and their families are should the **** hit the fan

Much like any cult, they have to keep the act going - the iconography, the carefully cultivated history, the portrayal of leaders as gods and so on

The bottom line is that the people are controlled effectively by fear (thanks also to modern tech) and the top level probably live in a paranoid world we can't even begin to imagine, better known generals are offed in "accidents", less known are made example of with mortars or explosives. A good purge every once in awhile seems to do wonders for extending the life of the dynasty

Famines are prob one of the few threats to the regime, however a well-timed nuclear tantrum or international incident means Pyongyang gets some lobster via private train delivery service and the intl community/whoever ships in tons of food. Although recently China along with others has put the foot down (they control virtually all gas into the country as well as 70% of trade) - so things are a little muted at the moment, hence only a small tantrum over the denial of Swiss ski lifts

Personally I see little chance of revolution -almost zero (only a dim possibility during a famine), as people are paranoid even within their own families.

Military intervention? very unlikely, even if heavily provoked would be very undesirable for obvious reasons

A coup? possible, but I would imagine things are far too controlled at the top for that. It's like Kaizer Soze, what if you miss? every generation of your family would be going to death camps. Not even Saddam had close to this level of control, although he had a penchant for chucking people alive into bags with starved feral cats which was pretty effective in itself.

Looks like the regime will just have to make moves itself to come in from the cold.

On a lighter note, marvel at the baseball sized calcium deposit on the back of Il Sung's neck that the NK press were terrified to ever photograph
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpqdyo5cbo1r1u3azo1_500.jpg