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Judo Vetrans' Grading 30th November

  • 10-11-2013 7:23pm
    #1
    Doug Cartel
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    Any of you judoka who were born in 1983 or earlier, there's going to be a grading coming up just for you in the National Training Centre Leisure Point Finglas on the 30th of November. It's going to be the same as a regular grading, but they will try and arrange it so that you fight people who are of similar age to you.

    The more people that attend the better they will be able to arrange fair match-ups for the competitive part of the grading, so it would be great if everyone could try and make it out there.

    For more info, check out the IJA website. http://www.irishjudoassociation.ie/events/details/106-veterans-grading


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  • #2
    Drained_Empty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 141 ✭✭Drained_Empty


    brilliant, let's have a +30 black belt grading and a <10 black belt grading so we can all be blackbelts.


  • #3
    Doug Cartel
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    Drained_Empty wrote: »
    brilliant, let's have a +30 black belt grading and a <10 black belt grading so we can all be blackbelts.

    You have to be over 16 to get a black belt in Judo, so that rules out a competition for the tots.

    Have you ever been to a national grading for Judo? Apart from it actually being a tough competition, it can take ages because of all the people who have to fight and the lack of space for them to fight. Also, there is already an element of matching people up so they get a fair fight. So this one isn't really that different, it should just get done quicker.

    Anyway, what would be the issue with awarding a belt to an older guy who knew the material well, and could use it to beat people of a similar age?


  • #4
    Drained_Empty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 141 ✭✭Drained_Empty


    Doug Cartel wrote: »
    You have to be over 16 to get a black belt in Judo, so that rules out a competition for the tots.

    Have you ever been to a national grading for Judo? Apart from it actually being a tough competition, it can take ages because of all the people who have to fight and the lack of space for them to fight. Also, there is already an element of matching people up so they get a fair fight. So this one isn't really that different, it should just get done quicker.

    Anyway, what would be the issue with awarding a belt to an older guy who knew the material well, and could use it to beat people of a similar age?

    the national gradings of judo where, in the past, the example of uncorrupt and legitmate grading in this country. this no longer is the case.

    in the past, a group of men turned up at blue/brown standard and fought in open weight against men of equivalent eperience and only the best were awarded their grades. now, they match people up on age, height, weight, what club they train in, who they know, who they don't know, who their coaches know. the aim of the game is to try and get everyone through it.

    for the last 20 years irish judo has been basically replaced by irish veterans judo. as the lions share of funding, innovation and interest is being diverted from the youth cadet and adult ranks to the meaningless veterans rank.

    these guys who are in positions of authority in the association, have fairly established personal and professional lives etc. are reigning their judo dreams as men in their 40s 50s and 60s, at the expense of the youth, to go traipsing around the world competing.

    it's a joke, like the rest of judo in ireland and the ija. they sport has been around for 60/70 years in this country and there isn't one full time training centre, there isn't one professional coach or athelete. it's a shame and a disgrace.


  • #5
    Doug Cartel
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    Drained_Empty wrote: »
    the national gradings of judo where, in the past, the example of uncorrupt and legitmate grading in this country. this no longer is the case.

    in the past, a group of men turned up at blue/brown standard and fought in open weight against men of equivalent eperience and only the best were awarded their grades. now, they match people up on age, height, weight, what club they train in, who they know, who they don't know, who their coaches know. the aim of the game is to try and get everyone through it.

    Paul Cummins is running this one, I'll pass your concerns on to him.
    these guys who are in positions of authority in the association, have fairly established personal and professional lives etc. are reigning their judo dreams as men in their 40s 50s and 60s, at the expense of the youth, to go traipsing around the world competing.
    As far as I know they pay their own way. I know they're not getting any funding for the World Judo Veterans Championships they're off to in two weeks.
    it's a joke, like the rest of judo in ireland and the ija. they sport has been around for 60/70 years in this country and there isn't one full time training centre, there isn't one professional coach or athelete. it's a shame and a disgrace.
    This isn't the result of veterans' training though.


  • #6
    Drained_Empty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 141 ✭✭Drained_Empty


    Doug Cartel wrote: »
    Paul Cummins is running this one, I'll pass your concerns on to him.


    As far as I know they pay their own way. I know they're not getting any funding for the World Judo Veterans Championships they're off to in two weeks.


    This isn't the result of veterans' training though.

    So you're implicit withPaul Cummins then? Report back how many people fail their grading under the auspices of PC.


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  • #7
    freddyboiii
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 ✭freddyboiii


    Everybody who wants to grade should have to fight Drained_Empty so he can use his several years of experience and deep knowledge of the Irish judo veterans system to deem who is truly worthy of receiving a promotion


  • #8
    Doug Cartel
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    freddyboiii wrote: »
    Everybody who wants to grade should have to fight Drained_Empty so he can use his several years of experience and deep knowledge of the Irish judo veterans system to deem who is truly worthy of receiving a promotion

    Might be interesting. As far as I know he's actually handy enough if he can keep his cool and not get DQ'd.


  • #9
    Drained_Empty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 141 ✭✭Drained_Empty


    freddyboiii wrote: »
    Everybody who wants to grade should have to fight Drained_Empty so he can use his several years of experience and deep knowledge of the Irish judo veterans system to deem who is truly worthy of receiving a promotion

    well there really isn't a better method.

    1. everyone competes who ever wins gets the belt e.g. have a 100m sprint who ever is the fastest wins.

    2. have an 'expert' critically appraise based on performance e.g. gymnastics where people give scores out of 10.

    3. have a 'objectified' grading process where people have to perform some previously prescribed tasks to be critiqued by judges e.g. TKD gradings.

    neither really is good on its own but a combination of all three would probably be the best.


  • #10
    Mellor
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    Drained_Empty wrote: »
    well there really isn't a better method.

    1. everyone competes who ever wins gets the belt e.g. have a 100m sprint who ever is the fastest wins.

    2. have an 'expert' critically appraise based on performance e.g. gymnastics where people give scores out of 10.

    3. have a 'objectified' grading process where people have to perform some previously prescribed tasks to be critiqued by judges e.g. TKD gradings.

    neither really is good on its own but a combination of all three would probably be the best.
    FWIW, I think a combination of all three is the best form of grading. In my club, its based on competition performance (performance, not results), the coaches opinion on how your progress, and a prescribed list of techniques/task - some specific, others you are given a choice.

    It's not with out its flaws and one weak area, of area of no interest can hold you back. But I think its better than any other method alone.


  • #11
    JohnMc1
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    freddyboiii wrote: »
    Everybody who wants to grade should have to fight Drained_Empty so he can use his several years of experience and deep knowledge of the Irish judo veterans system to deem who is truly worthy of receiving a promotion

    I wonder if he actually trains at all.


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  • #12
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    I wonder if he actually trains at all.

    He used to train both Judo and BJJ but I'm not sure if he still does.

    The lad is as odd as two left feet, and he's perma-banned from the forum, or at least until he registers his 582th account.


  • #13
    TheRingslayer
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    Edwin Powerful Aeroplane wrote: »
    He used to train both Judo and BJJ but I'm not sure if he still does.

    Stay wide of him boys. He is probably a double black belt in both disciplines at the rate they are currently handing them out, I bought a kinder egg today and got a bronze medal and a brown belt.


  • #14
    JohnMc1
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    Edwin Powerful Aeroplane wrote: »
    He used to train both Judo and BJJ but I'm not sure if he still does.

    The lad is as odd as two left feet, and he's perma-banned from the forum, or at least until he registers his 582th account.

    Thanks Edwin Powerful Aeroplane. He was coming across as one of those guys that's never trained a day in his life but likes to come on website and talk a load of rubbish.


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