metro north for blanchardstown dublin 15

handlemaster

I Dont know if many people have seen it in the paper today but there are private investors proposing to build the metro north to the blanch centre. Now I dont need to say how great this would be for the area. I Dont have the link from the indo maybe someone can put it on. Would it be a good idea to email our local rep Leo varadrakar considering he is the minister for transport and get the push on to proceed with this project ?

Gate Automation

Nice dream

L1011

Metro West I'd imagine. Not sure what developers would be interested in ponying up for it.

handlemaster

Its a about getting the nob done getting the decision makers to make a decision for the better and that means contacting your local rep in power vad and burton needs to hang their coat on one decent activement for dublin west . I can't think of anything better now than a metro link. People have the power to make this happen. Money can be found if enough voters show they are interested.

Larbre34

If you read it properly, they dont propose to build line M1 which serves Blanch from Tallaght, only M2 which is Malahide-Airport-City. This is understandable as its still a lucrative corridor, so if someone has the capital then fair play to them. Line M1 however is 25km long and with the required bridging would cost > €3billion. It is simply not worth it, and is not likely to be worth it for 15-20 years. There is zero momentum behind it either. Whats needed most in D15 is DART upgrade for the Maynooth line to meet the new Luas at Cabra and the interconnector tunnel to free up Connolly station.

Murt10

Larbre34 wrote: »

Whats needed most in D15 is DART upgrade for the Maynooth line to meet the new Luas at Cabra and the interconnector tunnel to free up Connolly station.

What advantage would we get from a DART upgrade over the trains that we already have on the line?

thomasj

Murt10 wrote: »

What advantage would we get from a DART upgrade over the trains that we already have on the line?

Faster running times?

Larbre34

Connolly station is the problem with all Dublin rail services, it cannot handle any more movements at peak. The DART upgrade and tunnels will remove that blockage by separating the lines to give two main routes, Malahide to Kildare via a tunnel serving Pearse and Heuston, and Maynooth to Greystones on more or less the existing system, but electrified. D15 will benefit from having trains to the City every 5 mins if needed, that connect with Luas at Broombridge and directly to all the Intercity lines at Connolly, Pearse or Heuston. Its the project that should be built first

Morag

The single line from Clonsilla to Maynooth is also a bottle neck and then there's the fact the line doesn't serve all of D15.

Any links to maps with proposed routes?

handlemaster

Morag wrote: »

The single line from Clonsilla to Maynooth is also a bottle neck and then there's the fact the line doesn't serve all of D15.

Any links to maps with proposed routes?

D 15 is a big area and your right the clonsilla cool mine and castle knock stations have only a certain convenient catchment. Sadly non action is see as a plan in Ireland. A metro to the centre would also bring new business not just speed of access around the city.

ongarboy

Unfortunately, due to the economic times we live in, Ireland cannot simply afford this investment during this generation. The DART to Maynooth option is the only one that just might be sanctioned.

Also, I believe the proposed airport metro is onwards to Swords and not Malahide as mentioned above. That is more likely to see the light of day as nationally that has more beneficial significance than a suburban metro link to D15.

liamog

Morag wrote: »

The single line from Clonsilla to Maynooth is also a bottle neck and then there's the fact the line doesn't serve all of D15.

Any links to maps with proposed routes?

It's a double track from Clonsilla to Maynooth, what do you mean by this?

Godge

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/private-group-revives-plan-to-build-19bn-dublin-metro-service-29740692.html

It seems this is a new proposal and different to the RPA proposal and involves a direct metro to Blanch

hotmail.com

Dublin 15 needs a better and faster bus service from Dublin Bus.

It would be great if a metro was built from Blanch Centre, through Blanch and then Castleknock Village underground though the Navan Road and on into town. That possible?

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

The annoying thing about the public transport in D15 is that it all serves the one area. The people living close to the train stations are already on the best bus route in the area, the 39.

This plan for the M1 route looks like it'll serve the same area. Stephen's Green to Blanch Centre isn't going to do any good for anyone not already on the train and 39 bus route any good.

Victor

hotmail.com wrote: »

It would be great if a metro was built from Blanch Centre, through Blanch and then Castleknock Village underground though the Navan Road and on into town. That possible?

Got €€€?

Murt10

hotmail.com wrote: »

Dublin 15 needs a better and faster bus service from Dublin Bus.

It would be great if a metro was built from Blanch Centre, through Blanch and then Castleknock Village underground though the Navan Road and on into town. That possible?

Far more likely and inexpensive I would think, once the green line stops at Broombridge, is to get a spur line to run along the N3 out to the Blanch Centre via Blanch Village, and then on to Ongar/Clonee or somewhere like that.

The N3 is already a 2 lane dual carriageway, with a big grassy space in the middle. It's made for it.

January

Murt10 wrote: »

Far more likely and inexpensive I would think, once the green line stops at Broombridge, is to get a spur line to run along the N3 out to the Blanch Centre via Blanch Village, and then on to Ongar/Clonee or somewhere like that.

The N3 is already a 2 lane dual carriageway, with a big grassy space in the middle. It's made for it.

Yep that's grand just forget that Blanchardstown extends north beyond the shopping centre.

handlemaster

The minister for transport resides in Dublin 15 if it can be done which it can he is the one. Weather you believe in one way or the other unless its seen to be advantageous politically nothing will be done. It would be best if people contacted their local rep and get some action not just words

murphaph

The best possibility for D15 is the existing (but stalled) plan to electrify the Maynooth line and run DART services Maynooth<->Bray (and the other route would be Malahide<->Hazelhatch via the as yet unbuilt city centre tunnel). D15 has some decent distributor roads that are wide and could easily provide speedy bus transfers in to the as yet unbuilt (but planned) Porterstown Station.

Fingallion

I do not believe that there is any truth in the article in the Indo (same article in Herald). There is no reference to a group named Metro Dublin nor any mention of this scheme anywhere on the web. If you google it, you will only see this article, absolutely nothing else. I have emailed the author to clarify or give some contact info but doubt I will hear back. I think there is a bizarre and disingenuous marketing campaign going on to pump a second housing bubble with some powerful backers.

handlemaster

Fingallion wrote: »

I do not believe that there is any truth in the article in the Indo (same article in Herald). There is no reference to a group named Metro Dublin nor any mention of this scheme anywhere on the web. If you google it, you will only see this article, absolutely nothing else. I have emailed the author to clarify or give some contact info but doubt I will hear back. I think there is a bizarre and disingenuous marketing campaign going on to pump a second housing bubble with some powerful backers.

Did it not say they were meeting with DCC this week or something like that

Fingallion

Again, no names quoted, no url, no info at all except an image from RPA's Metro North.
It did say that they detailed plans will be presented to DCC next week, we'll see. A bit strange though as they are not the responsible body, surely they would be consulting the Department of Transport and definitely and the NTA. Then An Bord Pleanala. DCC are only a stakeholder for part of the route just like Fingal, but would not be funding anything or making any decision.
If there was any truth to this, it would need to go though the Railway Order planning process which takes years. Then the tender stage which also takes years. "Metro Dublin" (who I doubt exist) cannot just arrive with an idea and then go ahead with it. It's bogus and very odd.
"Developers will be able to develop far more intensively than is possible with the urban transport network that is in place at present," it adds. Who is behind all this nonsense, like a pump and dump they do on the stock market.

Murt10

January wrote: »

Yep that's grand just forget that Blanchardstown extends north beyond the shopping centre.

I may be being a bit paranoid, but I think I'm being rebuked here. I may be wrong.

Anyway, if the Luas were to run down the new Ongar Road towards Ongar and Clonee, would that not suit most of the people living in Hartstown, Huntstown, Castleheaney, Ongar and Clonee (parts), all of whom are living in Dublin 15.

Where else in Dublin 15 could it run through large centres of population and justify the enormous cost of installing a new line and where the roads would have the capacity to take a Luas tram as well as normal traffic?

Larbre34

You're absolutely wasting your breath coming up with routes you might like to see developed for LUAS etc. Apart from there being no money, the rail and light-rail routes they will develop, eventually, be it heavy rail, metro, or LUAS have all been long identified and nailed down. We just have to wait 20 years to see them on the ground. D15 will only benefit from the DART upgrade and a big maybe Metro West

Across the city for the next 20 years you might see

DART underground interconnector (Connolly bypass), DART spur Clongriffin to Dublin Airport

LUAS BXD Stephens Green to Broombridge (under construction), LUAS Line F City - Lucan

Metro North, Metro West (very long shot)

What you will probably see more of, is the City core between the canals being closed to private traffic, retrofit QBC and BRT corridors (BRT is a cheap LUAS that looks like an electric bus and runs on dedicated lanes)

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Murt10 wrote: »

I may be being a bit paranoid, but I think I'm being rebuked here. I may be wrong.

Anyway, if the Luas were to run down the new Ongar Road towards Ongar and Clonee, would that not suit most of the people living in Hartstown, Huntstown, Castleheaney, Ongar and Clonee (parts), all of whom are living in Dublin 15.

Where else in Dublin 15 could it run through large centres of population and justify the enormous cost of installing a new line and where the roads would have the capacity to take a Luas tram as well as normal traffic?

What about people living in Mulhuddart, Corduff, Tyrrelstown, Waterville etc? One barely competent bus route to serve them all.

Years ago there was talk they were going to link the LUAS to the airport via Blanchardstown and the Snugborough Road. Obviously this has been scrapped entirely and that end of Blanchardstown seems to be off the plans entirely in any other mention of this scheme I've seen.

Godge

Fingallion wrote: »

I do not believe that there is any truth in the article in the Indo (same article in Herald). There is no reference to a group named Metro Dublin nor any mention of this scheme anywhere on the web. If you google it, you will only see this article, absolutely nothing else. I have emailed the author to clarify or give some contact info but doubt I will hear back. I think there is a bizarre and disingenuous marketing campaign going on to pump a second housing bubble with some powerful backers.

http://www.metrodublin.ie/

There is a website.

Gaspode

Godge wrote: »

http://www.metrodublin.ie/

There is a website.

It's a fairly useless website though.

Fingallion

I did hear back from the journalist and it is a true story, so I was wrong... and there is indeed a website... and Cormac Rabbitt did in fact present to DCC (today I think) .... so I take it all back. Although maybe it is not bad to be suspicious of stories like this when there is no source mentioned.

But ...seems like a variation of the same plans he has been trying to convince people of, with no success, for 15 years now.

hotmail.com

The focus on trains/metros in Dublin is misguided in my view. The city and county is far too sprawled to ensure a profitable and practical metro service. If it were all fields again, we could have built an underground system, but those days are gone.

That's why the emphasis has to be on creating a better and faster bus service. So that means more routes and shorter journey times to the City Centre. It takes anywhere from 45 minutes to an hour and a half to get to town on a 37,38 or 39. That needs to change.

Victor

hotmail.com wrote: »

If it were all fields again, we could have built an underground system, but those days are gone.

If it were all fields again, couldn't you just build a 4-track surface railway?

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Other than frequency of buses I'm not sure the routes can be improved. The 37 has a bit of a roundabout route but the 38 and 39 are pretty direct routes.

murphaph

hotmail.com wrote: »

The focus on trains/metros in Dublin is misguided in my view. The city and county is far too sprawled to ensure a profitable and practical metro service. If it were all fields again, we could have built an underground system, but those days are gone.

That's why the emphasis has to be on creating a better and faster bus service. So that means more routes and shorter journey times to the City Centre. It takes anywhere from 45 minutes to an hour and a half to get to town on a 37,38 or 39. That needs to change.

Far better would be to proceed with the DART Underground project and allow the Maynooth line carry trains at much greater frequencies, into which these buses could feed perpendicularly rather than competing with in parallel!

Morag

Looking at that website and the image on it all that it is proposing is a connector between the blanch shopping centre and the maynooth line and then a connector between the docklands station and the green luas line.

Not all that useful.

Polar101

Murt10 wrote: »

Where else in Dublin 15 could it run through large centres of population and justify the enormous cost of installing a new line and where the roads would have the capacity to take a Luas tram as well as normal traffic?

Not all that many people actually live within reach of the 'New' Ongar road (unless you knock down some fences). Majority of the people who use the 39A bus in D15 are in Hartstown/Huntstown. If you were to build a Luas line in D15, Blanch SC seems like the only option. Not that it is going to happen.

TheBandicoot

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Other than frequency of buses I'm not sure the routes can be improved. The 37 has a bit of a roundabout route but the 38 and 39 are pretty direct routes.

Segregated continuous bus lanes, traffic light priority, less stops, flat fare or some other solution to cut dwell time, lots of stuff could be done. But it requires joined up thinking from a few disparate institutions, not something just DB can do on its own.