Old Ira and the Pira.

.jacksparrow.

I was watching the programme called the lost son on rte last night and it was former justice minister Michael McDowell talking about his 3 cousins who were in the old Ira.

He went on to say how he agreed with their path of violence they took which included bombing and murdering people.

I know in the past he has been very vocal against the pira.

I just can't understand how he can say he agrees with the old ira killing people but not the pira.

Looking at the north in the 60s and 70s it looked a worst place to live in for Catholics than the south back in the 20s.

So is he the biggest hypocrite or is he right? Seems a lot of our politicians had relatives in the old Ira and are proud of it.

LordSutch

Oh God no, not another IRA thread

I'm outa here, bye.

fishy fishy

ahh, the romance of the old ira

anncoates

Irish republicanism has advanced its cause immeasurably more by non-violent means than with military campaigns.

Also the romantic notion of military action becomes deceitfully valorized over time - whether then or now - so all that is preserved in folk memory is incursion against British forces/Loyalist/auxiliaries while sectarian killings, murder of "informants~", "civilian collateral damage" and gangsterism are glossed over unless they emanate from The Other Side.

It must be galling for the likes of Hulme, Mallon and other constitutional democrats to see the likes of Adams and McGuinness finally opt solely for constitutional republicanism after 30 years - and receive wild plaudits for merely ending a failed campaign that they themselves initiated - when many other politicians and activists in the North had the courage and moral conviction to plough a lonely furrow amidst the bloodshed, some even losing their lives.

.jacksparrow.

LordSutch wrote: »

Oh God no, not another IRA thread

I'm outa here, bye.

Bye now!

I wonder does this thread make certain people feel uncomfortable.

harry Bailey esq

LordSutch wrote: »

Oh God no, not another IRA thread

I'm outa here, bye.

disappeared...

Gee Bag

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Bye now!

I wonder does this thread make certain people feel uncomfortable.

It just bores the shyte out of people

gcgirl

Old IRA fought over here against the people they were suppose to RIC and tans where as PIRA blew up innocent kids Warrington for instance in their English campaign.

.jacksparrow.

gcgirl wrote: »

Old IRA fought over here against the people they were suppose to RIC and tans where as PIRA blew up innocent kids Warrington for instance in their English campaign.

Are you for real? This is a perfect example of how propaganda works.

The old ira targeted murdered and disappeared many innocent people.

gobnaitolunacy

It may make certain people uncomfortable, but not all the old IRA were the decent, clean living, godlike beings as we were taught to believe in school. Some were good, some were thugs, opportunists, liars...just like real life people.

.jacksparrow.

Gee Bag wrote: »

It just bores the shyte out of people

Well you're very active in the Gerry Adams thread about the ira, obviously you're not very bored.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Frank Skinner sums up my thoughts about this subject quite objectively.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68thXNJJlYg

gcgirl

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Are you for real? This is a perfect example of how propaganda works.

The old ira targeted murdered and disappeared many innocent people.

I've read enough books on the subject

.jacksparrow.

Seems some people can't accept their fellow southern men were equal if not more ruthless than the men they despise so much up the north.

Head in the sand firmly stuff.

.jacksparrow.

gcgirl wrote: »

I've read enough books on the subject

Ok so the old ira never killed innocent people was your statement.

Is this what your sticking by before we continue?

anncoates

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

The old ira targeted murdered and disappeared many innocent people.

I think she means the wholesale targeting of innocent people in Britain, ironically many if them from working class Irish influenced communities.

Gee Bag

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Well you're very active in the Gerry Adams thread about the ira, obviously you're not very bored.

On the contrary, I've been waiting for 3 hours for machinery to arrive so I can start a job.

The only reason I'm bothered posting is because I've reached a point of boredom where time stands still.

MRnotlob606

old ira killed civilians too and was sectarian .in the Dunmanway killings just after the truce 10 protestants were kidnapped and killed

BuilderPlumber

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

I was watching the programme called the lost son on rte last night and it was former justice minister Michael McDowell talking about his 3 cousins who were in the old Ira.

He went on to say how he agreed with their path of violence they took which included bombing and murdering people.

I know in the past he has been very vocal against the pira.

I just can't understand how he can say he agrees with the old ira killing people but not the pira.

Looking at the north in the 60s and 70s it looked a worst place to live in for Catholics than the south back in the 20s.

So is he the biggest hypocrite or is he right? Seems a lot of our politicians had relatives in the old Ira and are proud of it.

McDowell is an Irish politician which means he is a hypocrite as they ALL are. They say what suits them and lie and cheat the people all the time. Of course, they all have to justify some link with some old IRA ancestor they have. McDowell criticises Sinn Fein and the PIRA because they are his political rivals and not because he is against their violence per se (McDowell was on an RTE show condoning austerity/dictatorship too and he is an uncaring, heartless piece of stone like the rest of them politicians: depriving people of their livelihoods and causing suicide is just one step removed from killing people and McDowell knows austerity/dictatorship kills people just like bombs and bullets do). Also, McDowell would take up arms if he had to in another time I know too.

statesaver

Here's an idea, take this to a history thread.

Getting up with all these ira, old ira, real ira, can't believe it's not the ira threads

Karl Stein

anncoates wrote: »

Irish republicanism has advanced its cause immeasurably more by non-violent means than with military campaigns.

The British/Unionists could have advanced their cause immeasurably more by non-violent means than with force and the threat of force.

But hey, you keep focussing on the violent backlash to state terrorism without placing the blame for the conflict where it truly belongs.

tdv123

The PIRA had more advanced weapons than the old IRA.

The old IRA started the cycle of killings, the PIRA didn't go on the offensive till about 3 years into the troubles.

tdv123

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

old ira killed civilians too and was sectarian .in the Dunmanway killings just after the truce 10 protestants were kidnapped and killed

Pretty much every single army,militia & paramilitary force in history has killed civilians.

Not saying it's right but that's just the way war goes.

The Diabolical Monocle

Three cheers for Westbrittery.

Hurrah hurrah hurrah.

Get the jack out of storage.

Tramps Like Us

anncoates wrote: »

Irish republicanism has advanced its cause immeasurably more by non-violent means than with military campaigns.

Thats not the case, the exact opposite in fact, and maybe thats the problem with the dissidents today

NIMAN

I wonder will the PIRA be remembered fondly by so many the way the Old IRA are now?

.jacksparrow.

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Three cheers for Westbrittery.

Hurrah hurrah hurrah.

Get the jack out of storage.

Yehaaaa!

Ash.J.Williams

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

Thats not the case, the exact opposite in fact, and maybe thats the problem with the dissidents today

Wha?

timthumbni

Hey jack. The dissident ira are also a bunch of drug dealing scuzzers. I await your response.

Nodin

timthumbni wrote: »

Hey jack. The dissident ira are also a bunch of drug dealing scuzzers. I await your response.

"also"???

tdv123

timthumbni wrote: »

Hey jack. The dissident ira are also a bunch of drug dealing scuzzers. I await your response.

The irony of that statement coming from Johnny "Neo-Nazi" Adairs number 1 fan.

If the Loyalist lead mob of Carson hadn't introduced the gun back into Irish politics their never would have been any IRA & 1000's of people wouldn't have been killed on both sides.

timthumbni

Nodin wrote: »

"also"???

As well as being sectarian killers. They seem to be great fellas altogether.

LordSutch

statesaver wrote: »

Here's an idea, take this to a history thread.

Getting fed up with all these ira, old ira, real ira, can't believe it's not the ira threads

Agreed > http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=87369262&postcount=2

timthumbni

tdv123 wrote: »

The irony of that statement coming from Johnny "Neo-Nazi" Adairs number 1 fan.

If the Loyalist lead mob of Carson hadn't introduced the gun back into Irish politics their never would have been any IRA & 1000's of people wouldn't have been killed on both sides.

You were banned recently for saying something similar. I don't even want you banned again as you are a walking, talking embarrassment to republicans. Keep it up. You are class. Lol. Bravo sir, bravo. Lol

grainnewhale

timthumbni wrote: »

Hey jack. The dissident ira are also a bunch of drug dealing scuzzers. I await your response.

I thought that was the UVF's job.

timthumbni

grainnewhale wrote: »

I thought that was the UVF's job.

Who would supply the Catholics though mate????

grainnewhale

LordSutch wrote: »

Agreed > http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=87369262&postcount=2

Your back. I think we have a closet republican here.

BMJD

my mate's da's brother's uncle's neighbour bought a 5 spot off jerry adams a few years ago so dey are all drug dealers k thx bai

tdv123

timthumbni wrote: »

You were banned recently for saying something similar. I don't even want you banned again as you are a walking, talking embarrassment to republicans. Keep it up. You are class. Lol. Bravo sir, bravo. Lol

Keep up with the insults & ignore the points. Classic loyalist tactic.

Can you actually address the points put in front of you or do you have to go running to mods again for me calling a spade a spade.

timthumbni

tdv123 wrote: »

Keep up with the insults & ignore the points. Classic loyalist tactic.

Can you actually address the points put in front of you or do you have to go running to mods again for me calling a spade a spade.

What points are you talking about? Me being a loyalist drug dealer? I am going to report you again actually so enjoy the holiday again. I will wait for a wee while though as I find you quite amusing. Lol.

tdv123

timthumbni wrote: »

What points are you talking about? Me being a loyalist drug dealer? I am going to report you again actually so enjoy the holiday again. I will wait for a wee while though as I find you quite amusing. Lol.

Your the one who brought drugs into the discussions.

The point I made about Carson & his threats to start a terrorist war against the very crown he claimed to have allegiance to & to try & thwart the democratic wishes of the majority of the people on this island for self-government.

Are you able to address any of that?

wazky

timthumbni wrote: »

What points are you talking about? Me being a loyalist drug dealer? I am going to report you again actually so enjoy the holiday again. I will wait for a wee while though as I find you quite amusing. Lol.

Don't worry about it Tim, I remember the first time I got drunk also.

timthumbni

tdv123 wrote: »

Your the one who brought drugs into the discussions.

The point I made about Carson & his threats to start a terrorist war against the very crown he claimed to have allegiance to & to try & thwart the democratic wishes of the majority of the people on this island for self-government.

Are you able to address any of that?

I have reported you. You are boring and I don't appreciate being called a jonny adair lapdog. You are a twAt and I expect you to be banned shortly. Hopefully for good this time.

wazky

timthumbni wrote: »

I have reported you. You are boring and I don't appreciate being called a jonny adair lapdog. You are a twAt and I expect you to be banned shortly. Hopefully for good this time.

I would bet the only one at risk of being banned is yourself, although your mindless rambles are amusing.

humanji

I'll do you all a favour and close this now before the stupidity increases to unmanageable proportions.