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import duty on groupsets

  • 04-11-2013 5:14pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭


    hi guys, just seeing tons of really cheap groupsets across the pond from usa.

    so it seems customs has really clamped down making sure everyone is paying tax when carbon frames get brought in from china but just wondering is it the same story if i were to import a groupset from usa?

    anyone here have experience importing groupset from usa?


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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    You'll find the rate of duty on the Taric database here http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/customs/customs_duties/tariff_aspects/customs_tariff/index_en.htm.

    For the US, I think the duty rate is 4.7 per cent.

    They'll charge duty on the total cost, i.e. item cost plus delivery charge. VAT will then be levied on that total amount.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭c50


    You'll find the rate of duty on the Taric database here http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/customs/customs_duties/tariff_aspects/customs_tariff/index_en.htm.

    For the US, I think the duty rate is 4.7 per cent.

    They'll charge duty on the total cost, i.e. item cost plus delivery charge. VAT will then be levied on that total amount.

    sorry question was as much on vat as it was on import duty.

    im just saying, before customs really didnt care what your carbon frame was worth, theyd let it through without a second glance, now you always get caught for vat.

    im wondering is it the same with groupsets or do they still allow them through without question?

    its a very odd system, they almost criminalize/make you feel 2nd class when youve got to pay tax yet you actually cant pay in advance, i think its absolute madness


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    My experience is that they sometimes don't bother with smaller packages, even some over the limit. But I've paid duty and VAT on more expensive items. These include a frame and a crankset for example.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    My experience is that they sometimes don't bother with smaller packages, even some over the limit. But I've paid duty and VAT on more expensive items. These include a frame and a crankset for example.

    As in you bought a frame in the US? Sorry for thread jumping, but out of interest why?
    Customs have been hit and miss for me, IT related stuff. Find most of the time I get hit though.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    It was a frame I really wanted and only available in US.

    My rule of thumb for buying stuff outside the EU is expect to pay the duty and VAT and budget accordingly.


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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,393 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    I believe they are clamping down, so where people may have been "fortunate" in the past, Customs Duties and VAT are more likely to be collected on (non EU) imports going forward


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    HaHa could almost feel Beasty's blood pressure rising the way this was going....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Lusk_Doyle


    Isn't the duty calculated on the vat inclusive price for added financial woe?


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,393 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Duty is applied first, then VAT is applied to the duty-inclusive price


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭caadmium


    It's not a groupset but I'm in the process of importing a frame from USA (bought on ebay) at the moment. I should be able to tell you tomorrow whether I had to pay duty and VAT. I have imported a wheelset in a similar way in the past and on that occasion I did have to pay the charges.

    As a previous poster said, you have to assume you will have to pay duty and VAT and factor that into your calculations.

    OP, as a matter of interest where are you seeing the good value in groupsets across the pond?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭cormpat


    I bought a groupset in May from US & A & it got through without me having to pay the duty, but I also bought a wheel set in September & had to pay the duty on that...

    The groupset was packed in a small box, while obviously the wheelset was in a considerably larger one. Does the box size have anything to do with it?

    I've only been charged twice for items that I've bought from the States, however I think they only charge duty if it's over a certain threshold (but I'm not sure what that is).

    Off topic, this is where I bought the groupset, he's good value & ships stuff quickly;

    http://www.eurobikeparts.com/index.php


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭c50


    caadmium wrote: »

    OP, as a matter of interest where are you seeing the good value in groupsets across the pond?

    look it up on ebay! theres a guy selling full 6800 8pc for under 600 quid +50 postage. lets keep this to boards though shall we?:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    c50 wrote: »
    look it up on ebay! theres a guy selling full 6800 8pc for under 600 quid +50 postage. lets keep this to boards though shall we?:rolleyes:

    Check the recent post in the Bargain Alerts, German place selling for under 600 euro.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭c50


    Check the recent post in the Bargain Alerts, German place selling for under 600 euro.....

    yes except as far as i can remember if its the same place, its 579 and you cant ACTUALLY buy it online in their shop

    Edit: just checked bargain thread and it is in fact the vaney ck dutch crowd who havent ultegra 6800 listed in their online shop


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭WillyFXP


    c50 wrote: »
    look it up on ebay! theres a guy selling full 6800 8pc for under 600 quid +50 postage. lets keep this to boards though shall we?:rolleyes:

    So that's well over 700 quid after customs charges, not including shipping, why ship from the states when you can get it here http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/k408/a106617/ultegra-6800-groupset-2x11-compact-50-34.html €699 + €2.95 delivery and no worries about customs duty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭c50


    WillyFXP wrote: »
    So that's well over 700 quid after customs charges, not including shipping, why ship from the states when you can get it here http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/k408/a106617/ultegra-6800-groupset-2x11-compact-50-34.html €699 + €2.95 delivery and no worries about customs duty

    im not sure how you make that out as definitively better. my point is that the groupsets are well priced and the question i posed is would it be well priced by the time i get or will i get stuck with a big fee.
    ive seen much better prices around eu than €699 but €590 + €50 is the best before worrying about additionals.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭WillyFXP


    c50 wrote: »
    im not sure how you make that out as definitively better. my point is that the groupsets are well priced and the question i posed is would it be well priced by the time i get or will i get stuck with a big fee.
    ive seen much better prices around eu than €699 but €590 + €50 is the best before worrying about additionals.

    I'm struggling to understand this. If you have seen much better prices than €699 in the eu, how are you seeing €640 BEFORE import charges as a good deal? My first link was a quick look and you are right, there are better prices in the eu, so for the sake of €33 you could get buy from here http://www.merlincycles.com/bike-shop/road-parts/transmission/groupsets-road-bike/shimano-ultegra-6800-groupset.html without the "maybe" of an extra €120 on top of the €640. As said before in this thread, it's very unlikely that you will get these through customs without being charged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭c50


    WillyFXP wrote: »
    I'm struggling to understand this. If you have seen much better prices than €699 in the eu, how are you seeing €640 BEFORE import charges as a good deal? As said before in this thread, it's very unlikely that you will get these through customs without being charged.

    mate, did you read the title of the thread? i wasnt the one who made the thread what it is, i was just weighing up my options seeing if i would or wouldnt be gotten for tax. as far as i can see if they mark value of a groupset as $20 it will more than likely get through without hassle.

    all im saying is 699 is nothing fantastic, its good ive seen better prices


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭WillyFXP


    c50 wrote: »
    mate, did you read the title of the thread? i wasnt the one who made the thread what it is, i was just weighing up my options seeing if i would or wouldnt be gotten for tax. as far as i can see if they mark value of a groupset as $20 it will more than likely get through without hassle.

    all im saying is 699 is nothing fantastic, its good ive seen better prices

    I've edited my post since you quoted. Customs ain't thick, and they are getting strict. They will hold your parcel and will write you a nice letter asking you for proof of purchase price if they think its been declared under value. It's also illegal to ask a vendor to mark packages like this. I believe it's also against board rules to discuss ways in which customs charges can be avoided. I've tried to keep this post relevant to your thread topic, hope this helps. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭c50


    WillyFXP wrote: »
    I've edited my post since you quoted. Customs ain't thick, and they are getting strict. They will hold your parcel and will write you a nice letter asking you for proof of purchase price if they think its been declared under value. It's also illegal to ask a vendor to mark packages like this. I believe it's also against board rules to discuss ways in which customs charges can be avoided. I've tried to keep this post relevant to your thread topic, hope this helps. ;)

    it doesnt help in the least. are you annoyed it can be gotten cheaper than you have found it and as a result you're no longer the superman you were at halloween? stop trying to make me seem like im rule breaking because i havent. customs arent thick but i import everything and anything every week and they just cba with some stuff like yesterday it was 3 lightsets passed, i also got a finest pinarello asian edition before and no tax because they had without asking marked it low, however i got a lovely raw frame the last day which was charged.

    like i say customs are not thick but neither am i, i have plenty of experience with this just not with groupsets or with american shipped goods.

    please leave the conversation because youve nothing relevant to add, pretty sure your just winding up. reply again and ill just ignore because its a pointless discussion leading to a brick wall, report me for the imaginary rule breaking while youre at it, i bet itd make your night


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭WillyFXP


    Lol wind yer neck in mate, I actually was trying to be helpful by pointing out you'd be 33 quid better off at best and that's just from a very quick price search. I said about the rule to make you aware of it, not to accuse you of it. Work away and get your groupset form your desired place of purchase, make no odds to me. Happy cycling :)


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,393 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    c50 wrote: »
    please leave the conversation because youve nothing relevant to add, pretty sure your just winding up.
    If you have a problem with a post or poster then report the post and leave the modding to the mods.

    And to everyone, please keep the discussion civil

    Thanks

    Beasty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭caadmium


    Frameset received today from USA with no duty or VAT owing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Lusk_Doyle


    caadmium wrote: »
    Frameset received today from USA with no duty or VAT owing.

    Lucky you. I suspect c50 may not be as fortunate as you were.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,393 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    caadmium wrote: »
    Frameset received today from USA with no duty or VAT owing.
    Just to be clear here, it's still owing, but not collected. TBH, the last thing I would be doing is going on about it on an internet forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭c50


    can we all agree on one thing? the americans blew this free trade agreement with their phone tapping...so many bike things i want...


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    caadmium wrote: »
    Frameset received today from USA with no duty or VAT owing.

    We know where you live ..........

    7084_54_news_hub_6801_656x500.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭caadmium


    Thanks Beasty and RobFowl, you've gone and ruined it for me! How will I ever be able to enjoy riding that frame now knowing this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Lusk_Doyle


    caadmium wrote: »
    Thanks Beasty and RobFowl, you've gone and ruined it for me! How will I ever be able to enjoy riding that frame now knowing this?

    You've gotten one (temporarily) over on the Man. That's enough to enable enjoyment!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭sbs2010


    Hi

    Does anyone know if items manufactured in the EU but imported to Ireland from US are subject to duty and/or vat?

    I'm thinking of Campagnolo which is made in Italy or Romania (I think).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭cdaly_


    VAT paid anywhere in the EU covers your liability in Ireland.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    sbs2010 wrote: »

    Does anyone know if items manufactured in the EU but imported to Ireland from US are subject to duty and/or vat?

    They are yes.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,393 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    cdaly_ wrote: »
    VAT paid anywhere in the EU covers your liability in Ireland.
    There would be no Italian VAT applied on the initial export to the US, and Irish VAT would certainly be due on import from the US to Ireland

    I'm pretty sure duty would be due also as from an import perspective they are coming from the US, not Italy or Romania (and indeed may actually have been originally manufactured by a sub-contractor who could be based anywhere in the world)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭cdaly_


    Beasty wrote: »
    There would be no Italian VAT applied on the initial export to the US, and Irish VAT would certainly be due on import from the US to Ireland

    I'm pretty sure duty would be due also as from an import perspective they are coming from the US, not Italy or Romania (and indeed may actually have been originally manufactured by a sub-contractor who could be based anywhere in the world)

    Ah crap. I missed the EU -> US -> EU round trip...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,091 ✭✭✭furiousox


    I'm keeping an eye on a frame on ebay (USA) at the moment.
    The frame is 1100 euro and shipping is 55 euro.
    How much vat, import duties etc would I have to pay if I'm charged by customs?

    CPL 593H



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭WillyFXP


    furiousox wrote: »
    I'm keeping an eye on a frame on ebay (USA) at the moment.
    The frame is 1100 euro and shipping is 55 euro.
    How much vat, import duties etc would I have to pay if I'm charged by customs?
    approx 25% give or take


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭caadmium




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    furiousox wrote: »
    How much vat, import duties etc would I have to pay if I'm charged by customs?

    About €332, by my reckoning


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,091 ✭✭✭furiousox


    WillyFXP wrote: »
    approx 25% give or take

    ouch! :(

    CPL 593H



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,091 ✭✭✭furiousox


    About €332, by my reckoning

    Don't think I'll risk it...

    CPL 593H



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭WillyFXP


    furiousox wrote: »
    ouch! :(

    Its actually closer to 30% by that calculator


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