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Riis sells Saxo to Tinkoff ???

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  • 03-11-2013 10:46am
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    AnotherView
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    La Gazzetta reports this morning that Bjarne Riis has sold Saxo-Tinkoff to Oleg Tinkoff for 7 million euros ???

    Ahead of revelations from Danish anti doping or Rasmussen on Danish TV tonight ???

    Hope its not true tbh


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    godtabh
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    AnotherView wrote: »
    La Gazzetta reports this morning that Bjarne Riis has sold Saxo-Tinkoff to Oleg Tinkoff for 7 million euros ???

    Ahead of revelations from Danish anti doping or Rasmussen on Danish TV tonight ???

    Hope its not true tbh

    I thought Saxo had taken up the slack of Tinkoff leaving over Contador? Would have thought he would then go buy the team


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    Brian?
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    Hasn't Tinkoff put his money behind a different team altogether?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    Squidgy Black
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    Tinkov denied it, said he's still in talks with a few different teams.


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    Darkglasses
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    There's been a good bit of uncertainty about sponsorship and ownership of the team next year. Nothing's certain til it's signed and sealed.


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    RobFowl
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    I've mixed feelings about Riis, he's obviously a great motivator and seems an astute tactician with innovative training methods, however he's an unrepentant doper and as such the sport is better off without him.

    Tinkov however is a sexist and obnoxious twat.


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    AnotherView
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    RobFowl wrote: »
    he's an unrepentant doper and as such the sport is better off without him.
    .


    Couldn't you say the same for Sean Kelly and many others in cycling ...some still in senior management roles on teams and some still riding......???


    What cycling needs is not villains and heroes but a realistic facing up to and acceptance of the past ......

    In fairness if I were a cyclist/DS and part of a past doping ring....I don't think I would admit it.......because I could be castigated and hung out to dry

    Riis did admit doping to win the Tour and apologized.......
    As for allegations of doping as a manager...if indeed true ....is that a greater crime ???
    Tyler Hamilton was hardly a novice to doping and all riders had free will if there was a directive ....which there has never been any evidence so far off ....more a continuation of what people had already being doing prior to csc if true

    I think Riis is a very good DS and cycling brain but I read his bio and ended up not being too gone on him as a man

    However I am abit fed up of him being cast in a villains role and others others like Vaughters getting a free ride because they talk the talk on twitter and are media savvy

    The biggest problems cycling has IMO are the double standards and inconsistencies in dealing with the whole sorry doping mess


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    RobFowl
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    AnotherView wrote: »
    The biggest problems cycling has IMO are the double standards and inconsistencies in dealing with the whole sorry doping mess

    Disagree, it's the corruption and doping.

    Simples.....


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    Lusk_Doyle
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    RobFowl wrote: »
    Disagree it's the corruption and doping.

    Simples.....

    Vaughters et al are actively combating the problem also. Media savy is not a term that does their efforts justice. I'm with Rob here.


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    AnotherView
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    RobFowl wrote: »
    Disagree it's the corruption and doping.

    Simples.....

    The corruption and the doping are a given in recent years .....

    Its how we deal with it....that needs addressing ......

    otherwise its like saying we need to preach chastity once the young girl is up the duff


    Like I said I am sick of heroes and villains ....and I don't think it helps


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    RobFowl
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    AnotherView wrote: »
    Like I said I am sick of heroes and villains

    No heros and villans just right and wrong and how we deal with it.
    Some of us fight to get it in the open and dealt with transparently, some of us prefer to bury our heads in the sand.
    Can happily claim to have fought to get it out in the open......
    (with a few people am very proud to be assosciated with)


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    AnotherView
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    Yes Rob.... I think you and others should be proud of your work to push transparency

    But I am just afraid that more and more books like Michael Rasmussen are damaging the sport beyond repair as they have a drip drip effect

    We need a total outing and then some sort of acceptance/forgiveness and a way of moving forward....( and that will have to include everyone in some way though it does not condone what they did or doping per see ) ......and then no one can make money from a doping tell all ..............but we can't have it until or unless people are willing to be more forgiving and accepting

    Armstrong confession was a year ago and now again its all about doping in the media......People not in cycling that I know when asked about what they know about cycling will say two things

    Doping
    Lance Armstrong .........it is hardly ever a good news story about the sport


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    Lusk_Doyle
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    AnotherView wrote: »
    Yes Rob.... I think you and others should be proud of your work to push transparency

    But I am just afraid that more and more books like Michael Rasmussen are damaging the sport beyond repair as they have a drip drip effect

    We need a total outing and then some sort of acceptance/forgiveness and a way of moving forward....( and that will have to include everyone in some way though it does not condone what they did or doping per see ) ......and then no one can make money from a doping tell all ..............but we can't have it until or unless people are willing to be more forgiving and accepting

    Armstrong confession was a year ago and now again its all about doping in the media......People not in cycling that I know when asked about what they know about cycling will say two things

    Doping
    Lance Armstrong .........it is hardly ever a good news story about the sport

    Might I suggest another sport for you to follow that is free from all these woes? Tennis, anyone?


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    gordongekko
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    AnotherView wrote: »
    Yes Rob.... I think you and others should be proud of your work to push transparency

    But I am just afraid that more and more books like Michael Rasmussen are damaging the sport beyond repair as they have a drip drip effect

    We need a total outing and then some sort of acceptance/forgiveness and a way of moving forward....( and that will have to include everyone in some way though it does not condone what they did or doping per see ) ......and then no one can make money from a doping tell all ..............but we can't have it until or unless people are willing to be more forgiving and accepting

    Armstrong confession was a year ago and now again its all about doping in the media......People not in cycling that I know when asked about what they know about cycling will say two things

    Doping
    Lance Armstrong .........it is hardly ever a good news story about the sport

    well for Irish cyclists its been all good news lately. From martin Irvine to Sam Bennett to Roche and Martin. Its been all good lately.


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    AnotherView
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    gordongekko wrote: »
    well for Irish cyclists its been all good news lately. From martin Irvine to Sam Bennett to Roche and Martin. Its been all good lately.


    Yes....and I want it to continue that way

    And I want Matt Brammier and Phil Lavery and all the others coming along to have jobs on the continent where they can earn a living and advance in the sport

    For Irish pro cycling to grow.....world cycling needs to be strong and well supported ....no professional world teams in Ireland after all


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    gordongekko
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    AnotherView wrote: »
    Yes....and I want it to continue that way

    And I want Matt Brammier and Phil Lavery and all the others coming along to have jobs on the continent where they can earn a living and advance in the sport

    For Irish pro cycling to grow.....world cycling needs to be strong and well supported ....no professional world teams in Ireland after all
    Irish success is a sign of less doping in cycling. The like of Mark Scanlon were unable to compete in the dark days.


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    Diarmuid
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    gordongekko wrote: »
    Irish success is a sign of less doping in cycling. The like of Mark Scanlon were unable to compete in the dark days.

    I know Scanlon packed it because of the rampant doping but are Irish in general, predisposed to NOT dope?


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    wirelessdude01
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    Diarmuid wrote: »
    are Irish in general, predisposed to NOT dope?

    Why would we be? We ain't any different to others in relation to temptation. Not saying any of our riders are but can we be 100% sure either that none of them are.


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    mcgratheoin
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    Diarmuid wrote: »
    I know Scanlon packed it because of the rampant doping but are Irish in general, predisposed to NOT dope?

    Absolutely not - there have been plenty of Irish athletes done for drug taking. I think the point being made is that certain countries have better established and more rigourous testing programmes - compare Ireland or France with Spain or Jamaica over the last decade or two. The increase in competitive athletes from Ireland could be interpreted as an effect of other countries implementing stronger anti-doping rules and reducing the number and effect of doping at the highest level of sport.

    Just to be clear, I'm not saying that Ireland or France are perfect, or that anyone from Jamaica or Spain is a doper - I'm just throwing those countries out as broad examples.


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    Diarmuid
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    mcgratheoin wrote: »
    Absolutely not - there have been plenty of Irish athletes done for drug taking. I think the point being made is that certain countries have better established and more rigourous testing programmes - compare Ireland or France with Spain or Jamaica over the last decade or two. The increase in competitive athletes from Ireland could be interpreted as an effect of other countries implementing stronger anti-doping rules and reducing the number and effect of doping at the highest level of sport.
    I'd agree.


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    Macy0161
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    Diarmuid wrote: »
    I know Scanlon packed it because of the rampant doping but are Irish in general, predisposed to NOT dope?
    Us and the Brits. :cool:


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    shutup
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    RobFowl wrote: »
    No heros and villans just right and wrong and how we deal with it.
    Some of us fight to get it in the open and dealt with transparently, some of us prefer to bury our heads in the sand.
    Can happily claim to have fought to get it out in the open......
    (with a few people am very proud to be assosciated with)

    I don't know who you are or what you have done. Can you explain about your fight.


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    mcgratheoin
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    shutup wrote: »
    I don't know who you are or what you have done. Can you explain about your fight.

    He's an activist.... :cool:


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    Beasty
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    mcgratheoin wrote: »
    He's an activist.... :cool:
    I've heard him called a few other things in recent times also ...:pac:


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    RobFowl
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    shutup wrote: »
    I don't know who you are or what you have done. Can you explain about your fight.

    No ;)


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    Beasty
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    shutup wrote: »
    I don't know who you are or what you have done. Can you explain about your fight.
    Actually to be a little more helpful here (we don't want to put off non-regulars do we;)) Rob was the person that initiated the process that resulted in CI turning down Pat McQuaid's request for nomination for the UCI Prsidency, and has been a strong campaigner against the scourge of doping in the sport for a long time

    A quick search using the terms "McQuaid", "Switzerland", "Morocco", "Thailand" and "dope" will probably reveal a lot more ....


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    RobFowl
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    shutup wrote: »
    I don't know who you are or what you have done. Can you explain about your fight.

    The minutes of the 2012 CI AGM give some details.

    www.cyclingireland.ie/Documents/Minutes_AGM_2012_V1.aspx

    33. Close of Meeting.
    As all the business of the AGM had been covered the President formally closed the AGM thanking everyone for their attendance and wishing them a safe drive home. Nevertheless he was aware that there were members who wished to discuss the USADA report and the credibility of the leadership of the UCI as an item at the AGM. Legal advice had confirmed that this was not permissible under the Articles as it was not on the agenda. However the President was prepared to facilitate a discussion outside of the AGM.
    .
    14
    Annex 1. Discussion on the USADA report with respect to the credibility of the UCI in Anti Doping Matters.
    The discussion was initiated by the CI Medical Officer who gave a detailed account of his concerns regarding the leadership of the UCI and its apparent lack of action over many years in respect of various anti doping matters which had come to light. The most recent and far reaching being the USADA report. Several members contributed to the discussion along the same lines. Other members spoke on the need to wait for the outcome of the forthcoming legal case involving Paul Kimmage and the UCI and also the report of the independent committee to be set up by the UCI to look at the whole question of the UCI and it’s involvement in doping affairs over many years.
    Following the various comments the President invited CI MO to sum up which he did and requested that the Board of CI call an EGM to consider a vote of no confidence in Pat McQuaid. The President gave an undertaken that the Board would hold an EGM on the matter if it deemed it appropriate and pointing out that an EGM could also be requested by members as per clause 22 of the Articles.


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    RobFowl
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    Of those who spoke at that meeting in Oct 2012 at least 5 are posters here.


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    Lusk_Doyle
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    shutup wrote: »
    I don't know who you are or what you have done. Can you explain about your fight.

    More of a commercially motivated attack, some would say!


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    AnotherView
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    Lusk_Doyle wrote: »
    More of a commercially motivated attack, some would say!

    For asking a question and being interested in knowing more about the sport ???

    Why I brought up the whole heroes and villains because of Vaughters and Garmin being touted as doing no wrong while they continue to tout their anti doping credentials....But Vaughters knew about Hesjedal's doping when he signed him and when he won the Giro he did not do it as a past doper .....or indeed not at all (an ex cyclist as sacked for doping ??? )

    The outraged spare their derision for the few and not the ones they have decided are anti doping.......and how we are supposed to have confidence in this I am sure I don't know


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    le petit braquet
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    Lusk_Doyle wrote: »
    More of a commercially motivated attack, some would say!
    AnotherView wrote: »
    For asking a question and being interested in knowing more about the sport ???

    I think this is Lusk_Doyle's parody of the McQuaid supporters' questioning of the motives of anyone who dared oppose Pat as RobFowl did. It was not a dig at shutup.


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