.22/250 recommendation

Snakezilla

Howdy lads. Ive been keeping my eye out for a .22/250 for a good while now and my local RFD is after getting in a Remington 700 SPS Varmint. It has a 1:14 twist and Im just wondering if anyone has any experience with one? Its going to be a dedicated fox and vermin gun and I hope to maybe move up to deer if I can get a permission sorted in the future. Just wondering what peoples opinions on the gun are or if there are any recommendations for any other makes or models. Its brand new and Im only interested in buying new as I plan on it being the last gun I buy for a long time. He's looking €950 for it.

650gs

I had a 22.250 as my first Deer rifle years ago and loved it some people think it lacks power but it goes back to the whole thing about shot placement, lets not go there, they are a really great rifle BUT rounds are expensive and resale is gone with the wind.
You would be better looking at a .243 if you plan on moving up to deer at a later stage or if not go .223 for vermin, if your set on one Id buy second hand you should well be able to pick one up for 300 or there about's

Snakezilla

650gs wrote: »

I had a 22.250 as my first Deer rifle years ago and loved it some people think it lacks power but it goes back to the whole thing about shot placement, lets not go there, they are a really great rifle BUT rounds are expensive and resale is gone with the wind.
You would be better looking at a .243 if you plan on moving up to deer at a later stage or if not go .223 for vermin, if your set on one Id buy second hand you should well be able to pick one up for 300 or there about's

Theres no way Id get a .243 without a deer license and I havent yet got one set in stone but Ive been working on it this long time Our super has often refused licenses for .223's for his own silly reasons so I may be just wasting my time but I want to give it a go, you shoulda seen the hassle one of the lads in the club had to go through to get a license for his .22 hornet

Ive been thinking about a .223 yea but I just dont want to buy it and get the deer permission in a year or two and then have to sell it and buy a new rifle if ya get me? I would gladly settle for a .223 and forget about moving up to deer shooting for the foreseeable future but I just cant seem to get any dealers to work with me as to sourcing one and any that do are charging a ridiculous price

deerhunter1

Snakezilla wrote: »

Theres no way Id get a .243 without a deer license and I havent yet got one set in stone but Ive been working on it this long time Our super has often refused licenses for .223's for his own silly reasons so I may be just wasting my time but I want to give it a go, you shoulda seen the hassle one of the lads in the club had to go through to get a license for his .22 hornet

Ive been thinking about a .223 yea but I just dont want to buy it and get the deer permission in a year or two and then have to sell it and buy a new rifle if ya get me? I would gladly settle for a .223 and forget about moving up to deer shooting for the foreseeable future but I just cant seem to get any dealers to work with me as to sourcing one and any that do are charging a ridiculous price

Get your 223 and use it for deer when you get a deer licence

Cass

Snakezilla wrote: »

Just wondering what peoples opinions on the gun are or if there are any recommendations for any other makes or models. .

Was only discussing this very caliber today with another lad. Sean in Stakelums has a lovely Steyr Mannlicher Pro Hunter in 22-250 with scope, rings, etc. He is in Thurles.

Not sure of the price . Meant to ring him for the other lad i was talking to but did not get to in time.

The Aussie

deerhunter1 wrote: »

Get your 223 and use it for deer when you get a deer licence

Hate to be a stickler but....


Is this a Typo???

Cass

Was thinking the same myself. Benefit of the doubt and all that.

Snakezilla

Isnt .22/250 ammo the same price as the higher end .223 stuff anyway? My local dealer that just got the .22/250 in can also get the same model gun in .223 but its only in 1:12 twist. I would be in the market for a 1:8 or 1:9 in order to stabilize a wide variety of ammo and I would be willing to drop the interest in getting deer permission if I could get the right .223

What type of ammo is suitable in a 1:12 ? He said the .223 will be roughly the same price as the .22/250

The Aussie

If my shoddy memory is correct, the min for Deer relating to a 22/250 is 60 grain*, so if your going down the twist rate and stability route there are plenty of online calculators to help you out.

Something like this.
http://www.bergerbullets.com/litz/TwistRuleAlt.php






* feel free to correct if wrong.

650gs

A much bigger selection of .223 than 22.50

Snakezilla

The Aussie wrote: »

If my shoddy memory is correct, the min for Deer relating to a 22/250 is 60 grain*, so if your going down the twist rate and stability route there are plenty of online calculators to help you out.

Something like this.
http://www.bergerbullets.com/litz/TwistRuleAlt.php






* feel free to correct if wrong.

Sorry was asking for a .223 in 1:12 - I'd happily forget about a .22/250 and getting into deer shooting further down the road if I can find the right .223 (heavy barrel and fast rate of twist at the right price)

rowa

Snakezilla wrote: »

Our super has often refused licenses for .223's for his own silly reasons so I may be just wasting my time but I want to give it a go,

The .223 was, in years gone treated as an odd round, simply because it was used so extensively up north during the troubles. I had no problem getting a licence for a .220 swift or .22-250 but no way could i get one for a .223, even though i argued it was less powerful round. The .17 rem was also frowned upon because it was based on the .223, and the gardai tthought it could be modified to be fired from the .223 :rolleyes:.
If your super is an older officer, then he might have a hang-up about the .223.

The Aussie

Ah mate, it's a buyers market and if you have the cash, and .223's are thick on the ground.

Like there is this Remington 700. Fantastic platform, it's in the for sale section



Spend a weekend going around RFD's with a note pad and see what's about

Sika98k

Crescent Sports,Monkstown last week had a Sako in 22/250 for €595.

You will buy a lot of ammo with the change.

Nice clean rifle with,visually, a good bore

Half-cocked

The Aussie wrote: »

If my shoddy memory is correct, the min for Deer relating to a 22/250 is 60 grain*, so if your going down the twist rate and stability route there are plenty of online calculators to help you out.

Something like this.
http://www.bergerbullets.com/litz/TwistRuleAlt.php






* feel free to correct if wrong.

They were insisting on 60gr a couple of years back. Seem to have gone back to 55gr now. Just as well, my .22/250 sprays 60gr all over the place but will shoot a nice group with 55gr.

Snakezilla

Half-cocked wrote: »

They were insisting on 60gr a couple of years back. Seem to have gone back to 55gr now. Just as well, my .22/250 sprays 60gr all over the place but will shoot a nice group with 55gr.

Whats the best rate of twist for a .22-250 ? I wouldnt mind having one that can be used to shoot 60g ammo if I get the letter for deer.

TriggerPL

Bud if your only buying once and all that jazz , get ur finger out get deer permission and buy a 243 , if ya don't ul spend a lot more in the future and have to go through the licence process again ( more money )

That being said why do guys let supers push them about on what they can and can't have . If you clean conviction wise and had no dealing with cops . Then ur entitled to what caliber you want not what they give you !!

Snakezilla

TriggerPL wrote: »

Bud if your only buying once and all that jazz , get ur finger out get deer permission and buy a 243 , if ya don't ul spend a lot more in the future and have to go through the licence process again ( more money )

That being said why do guys let supers push them about on what they can and can't have . If you clean conviction wise and had no dealing with cops . Then ur entitled to what caliber you want not what they give you !!

Because the deer permission is not guaranteed yet. The woman that owns the land has had cancer the past 4 years and hasnt long left so her son will be inheriting it. I cant go bugging them again for a letter. The .22/250 is catching my eye because I do a good bit of vermin control and it is capable of deer with the right bullet and if I can get the letter. Also I wouldnt be shooting much deer. Maybe 1 or 2 per season would do me.

Chances are that I wont even get it because of our Super. I was already refused a .223 a few years ago because he said I didnt need another rifle and there was no need for a military calibre for foxes :rolleyes: . I have a .22lr and .17hmr already. I dont know.... Seems like Id be p*ssin against a gale force wind.

Cass

Snakezilla wrote: »

The .22/250 is catching my eye because I do a good bit of vermin control ................

Just be careful. If your Super is that bad he may refuse the 22-250 bases on it being a deer legal caliber.

Chances are that I wont even get it because of our Super. I was already refused a .223 a few years ago because he said I didnt need another rifle and there was no need for a military calibre for foxes :rolleyes:

Any chance you asked for that in writing? If not you should have. Would have been an easy win. As for it being a military caliber. Talking through his whole. A .22lr is a 5.56 just in a smaller case/chambering. Plus Military grade 5.56 cannot and should never be used in a bolt action rifle.

. I have a .22lr and .17hmr already. I dont know.... Seems like Id be p*ssin against a gale force wind.

Ask for all refusals in writing. Do not, not submit an application based on the Super's or FO's say so. Submit it and make them refuse you. This way you have it in writing and can challenge. Now when applying you need to declare you were refused a license.

deerhunter1

Cass wrote: »

Just be careful. If your Super is that bad he may refuse the 22-250 bases on it being a deer legal caliber.

Any chance you asked for that in writing? If not you should have. Would have been an easy win. As for it being a military caliber. Talking through his whole. A .22lr is a 5.56 just in a smaller case/chambering. Plus Military grade 5.56 cannot and should never be used in a bolt action rifle.

Ask for all refusals in writing. Do not, not submit an application based on the Super's or FO's say so. Submit it and make them refuse you. This way you have it in writing and can challenge. Now when applying you need to declare you were refused a license.

who said, and why cannot it not be fired from a bolt action

TriggerPL

Snakezilla wrote: »

Because the deer permission is not guaranteed yet. The woman that owns the land has had cancer the past 4 years and hasnt long left so her son will be inheriting it. I cant go bugging them again for a letter. The .22/250 is catching my eye because I do a good bit of vermin control and it is capable of deer with the right bullet and if I can get the letter. Also I wouldnt be shooting much deer. Maybe 1 or 2 per season would do me.

Chances are that I wont even get it because of our Super. I was already refused a .223 a few years ago because he said I didnt need another rifle and there was no need for a military calibre for foxes :rolleyes: . I have a .22lr and .17hmr already. I dont know.... Seems like Id be p*ssin against a gale force wind.

I think ur missing the point ere , fair enough about the woman with cancer but u know where she is area wise so go knock on other doors in the area ,

Seriously ul be very surprised at the out come .

Right as for 22.250 if you can get permission. Then a 243 is the way to go the 22.250 is becoming a thing of the past and the variety of ammo isn't there also the cost if that ammo .

If ya can't get permission , go for 223 , reason why are .

Cheaper ammo
Will knock any fox
And if you decide to change a gun dealer will deal with you quicker ,

Right Garda super !

Has his **** ! He has no grounds for refusing u a .223 esp if you have firearms already ,

For a third rifle u need a house alarm apart from that I'd be sending in the application , waiting for the out come if ya get it well and gud if ya dont ur entitled to a reason why !

When ya get refused go to a solicitor tell them this is the reason your been refused get them to write a letter to the super , but also to prebook a day in court in court for you ,

U have 28 days to appeal any refusal before u have to applie all over again .

U will find that the simple letter from the solicitor pointing out that he has no grounds will be enough to sway him .

At worsted it will cost you about 300 in a court , small price to pay for getting what ya want .

Cass

deerhunter1 wrote: »

who said,

What?

His Super said it was a military round. It's not. .223 and 5.56 are different rounds.

and why cannot it not be fired from a bolt action

Pressure.

5.56 may exceed SAAMI spec and could result in a catastrophic failure.

Snakezilla

I never got anything in writing Cass. One of the lads I do a good bit of shooting with got a license for a hornet only last year but the hassle he had to go through to get it was unbelievable. The Super denied it at first because its a "Deer poachers calibre" And only for my mate being so head strong and ballsy he kept applying and going to the station to try talk to the FO. In a way I suppose I should be grateful for what guns I have.

TriggerPL

Snakezilla wrote: »

I never got anything in writing Cass. One of the lads I do a good bit of shooting with got a license for a hornet only last year but the hassle he had to go through to get it was unbelievable. The Super denied it at first because its a "Deer poachers calibre" And only for my mate being so head strong and ballsy he kept applying and going to the station to try talk to the FO. In a way I suppose I should be grateful for what guns I have.

Are you having a giraffe !!!! Grateful for the guns you have !!!

You have the right to own these firearms one you can show reason for them weather it be a .223 for foxes or a .243 for deer ! And you have you crap together like permissions and **** !

And don't go down the road of giving the super the satisfaction of thinking he doing you a favour buy giving you one !

If your refused your entitled to a reason . If the reason you giving is that it's a deer poacher gun or some bull crap like that ur laughing .

1 u have to get it in writing
2 u have to lodge appeal with in 28 days

There would be no guns in the country if these people had there way and it don't help the cause when u let them walk all over you .

Cass

Pretty much what TriggerPL said.

You are entitled to a refusal stating the reasons, and if you did not get one then ask for one. If they refused your application (as in talked you out of it before officially processing it) then go back and submit it. Let them do it officially.


There is no right to firearms in this country, but refusals must be based on fact/reason and not a Super's personal opinions on gun ownership.

Snakezilla

So when I am putting in the paperwork for the new license and when it gets refused (which it will , Ill happily put my worldly possessions on as a bet) I have to get the reason for refusal in writing and then how do I appeal it? And just in case, what do I do if a refusal letter....is refused?

Cass

Snakezilla wrote: »

........ then how do I appeal it?

District court. You can do it yourself, but if in doubt contact a solicitor (probably best).

And just in case, what do I do if a refusal letter....is refused?

It cannot be refused. The states if a Super refuses an application then a letter of refusal will be provided to the applicant with the reasons why it was refused.

If they refuse to issue one contact the FPU (Firearms Policy Unit), and if they still don't then talk to your solicitor.

TriggerPL

And mate get ur crap together copy everything you hand in regardless of what it's is , keep a copy !

Get a receipt from the Garda you give it to that shows u handed in an application.

Make sure you make the appeal with in 28 days and make sure you point out that time line to the solicitor .

Have ur reason for wanting the firearm .

And if possible go down road of .243 or simulat if ur fighting it only do ur fighting once and get a caliber with a bit of thump

TriggerPL

Cass wrote: »

District court. You can do it yourself, but if in doubt contact a solicitor (probably best).

It cannot be refused. The states if a Super refuses an application then a letter of refusal will be provided to the applicant with the reasons why it was refused.

If they refuse to issue one contact the FPU (Firearms Policy Unit), and if they still don't then talk to your solicitor.

Even better it shows he has no reason In front of a judge

peter65

I have an RWS stainless steel 22/250. I find it fantastic for foxing as I'm not having to constantly call them in if I get a suitable back drop. Going by Mr Rangefinder the last fox was dropped at 274m. Ballistic tips are the only way to go to minimize over-penetration. If you can, reloading will save you a fortune and it made a huge difference to my accuracy and fall of shot.

4200fps

22-250 and .220 would be the best high volocity .22 centre fire calibers out there. Either no good for deer unless they can accurately fire a 60 grain HP or SP load as V-max should never be used on deer even tho the new 50 grain V-Max from Superformance deliver muzzle energy of around 1770ft/lbs but V-Max loads are certainly not appropriate for game only varminting. I personaly never came across 22-250 or .220 rounds in HP or SP in any other grain only 60gr so if your rifle doesn't like it it may not suit. These two caliber rifles seem only come in 24 inch barrels which I personaly dislike. Mobility and weight comes a factor too. Great caliber for long rang prairie dog/fox shooting basicly what it was designed for. Manufactures may list a wide range of different grain loads for the 22-250 but when you go to a dealer in Ireland for any that may tickle your fancy you may find they don't stock them. 243 is a more versatile round in my opinon.

Sika98k

Snakezilla wrote: »

Whats the best rate of twist for a .22-250 ? I wouldnt mind having one that can be used to shoot 60g ammo if I get the letter for deer.

If you want to shoot 60gr ammo a 1 in 12 twist would be better than the more usual 1 in 14.

22/250,s generally shoot 52-55gr ammunition very well.Thats what they were designed to shoot. Sako and PPU[Privi Partisan] both produce softpoint ammunition.The Sako cost €25 a box and the Privi was cheap.
If foxes and vermin are your game a 22/250 is a good tool for the job.Accurate,flat-shooting,low recoil. I have shot the round for over 12 years and owned 3,Howa,Ruger and Sako. All shot either very well or extremely well.

It would not be my weapon of choice against stags but for hind shooting it,s my go to rifle. I use a 6.5x55 and 308 also but would take the 22/250 out nearly every time outside the rut.