Dog killled on the Luas

mrbrown69 · 31-10-2013 2:05pm #1

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/pensioner-cries-on-liveline-following-freak-luas-accident-in-which-dog-died-29712027.html

sad story but annoyingly frustrating....the dogs lead got caught in the doors :rolleyes: ...here's a thought rather than stupidly bang on the doors release the bloody collar from the dog before it takes off!! I know people can panic in such situations but it's the first thing that would cross my mind

Goodne · 31-10-2013 2:51pm

The dog got off the Luas & the lady was on board holding the lead so the poor dog was dragged along because the lead was in the doorway. The lady never had the chance to release the collar.

Stheno · 31-10-2013 2:53pm

HOrrible story, lady must be devastated at losing her dog in such a manner

mrbrown69 · 31-10-2013 3:23pm

Goodne wrote: »

The dog got off the Luas & the lady was on board holding the lead so the poor dog was dragged along because the lead was in the doorway. The lady never had the chance to release the collar.

"Mrs Reilly said her brother, who was standing at the stop, tried to get the driver’s attention but to no avail."

a simple action could have saved alot of heartache....actually remember seeing a vid somewhere of a dogs lead getting stuck in the doors of a lift, a quick thinking bystander instantly released the lead avoiding a horrible death for the dog

seamus · 31-10-2013 3:27pm

I imagine that when the driver releases the brake, the doors automatically lock.

Obviously what happened is that the dog stepped onto the platform, and maybe the women were a bit slow in stepping off or the driver was a bit hasty in taking off. Either way, by the time they reacted, the driver had probably released the brake (locking the door) and started to take off. At that stage no-one outside would be quick enough to release the dog from the lead.

Poor little thing

Horrible thing for the women to have had to deal with.

mrbrown69 · 31-10-2013 3:40pm

The brother had gotten out before them and was aware what happened, he was on the outside trying to get the drivers attention...he could have released the collar

cali_eire · 31-10-2013 3:48pm

mrbrown69 wrote: »

The brother had gotten out before them and was aware what happened, he was on the outside trying to get the drivers attention...he could have released the collar

It must have happened very quickly and been very distressing for all involved . Sometimes we dont do the most logical things under stress. I am sure you are only trying to point out a helpful lesson but sometimes life just happens and people react how they react. Hindsight is 20/20 but to be honest I dont know I would have done any different to this guy in the circumstances.

Alun · 31-10-2013 4:02pm

I can't see anyone being able to lean down to the level of a chihuahua while trying to fiddle about trying to remove a collar, and all the time running along to keep up with an accelerating Luas tram myself.

wandatowell · 31-10-2013 4:05pm

Jasus, thats a horrible thing to happen.

I wasnt aware dogs were allowed on the Luas

Sierra Oscar · 31-10-2013 4:10pm

Sort of surprised that no one pulled the emergency brake. Veolia Transport have said that it would definitely have been justified in this sort of a case, so something to keep in mind for the future.

mrbrown69 · 31-10-2013 4:31pm

Alun wrote: »

I can't see anyone being able to lean down to the level of a chihuahua while trying to fiddle about trying to remove a collar, and all the time running along to keep up with an accelerating Luas tram myself.

lift the dog release strap...a second and a half if that, the luas takes off at a walking pace....I'm only guessing but I am guessing there was time to do something....me personally I wouldn't have stood back and let it happen

Alun · 31-10-2013 4:36pm

What's a "Dog release strap" ? Don't dog collars have buckles?

brrabus · 31-10-2013 4:52pm

In hindsight I am sure there are things that could have been done, maybe or maybe not have made a difference but when you are under pressure you react different and we also are talking about an OAP here. Must have been dreadful for them and am sure still is. So sad

Ash.J.Williams · 31-10-2013 4:53pm

wandatowell wrote: »

Jasus, thats a horrible thing to happen.

I wasnt aware dogs were allowed on the Luas

they're not

cali_eire · 31-10-2013 5:34pm

mrbrown69 wrote: »

lift the dog release strap...a second and a half if that, the luas takes off at a walking pace....I'm only guessing but I am guessing there was time to do something....me personally I wouldn't have stood back and let it happen

Dude ... he didnt stand back - he tried to alert the driver. I dont know what your deal is but there is nothing to be gained by putting down the valiant efforts of a distraught OAP. Save the Monday morning quarterbacking for something else because no one's going to give you a medal here for thinking you would be better in this situation.

kylith · 31-10-2013 5:38pm

wandatowell wrote: »

Jasus, thats a horrible thing to happen.

I wasnt aware dogs were allowed on the Luas

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

they're not

They are, but they're supposed to be in a carrier.

mrbrown69 · 31-10-2013 5:48pm

cali_eire wrote: »

Dude ... he didnt stand back - he tried to alert the driver. I dont know what your deal is but there is nothing to be gained by putting down the valiant efforts of a distraught OAP. Save the Monday morning quarterbacking for something else because no one's going to give you a medal here for thinking you would be better in this situation.

Is that an Americanism....you weren't there nor was I, you're no more correct than I.....what I do know is that the general public are by and large thick and stupid, yes that's right thick and stupid

muddypaws · 31-10-2013 6:00pm

mrbrown69 wrote: »

lift the dog release strap...a second and a half if that, the luas takes off at a walking pace....I'm only guessing but I am guessing there was time to do something....me personally I wouldn't have stood back and let it happen

Can you please explain what you mean by dog release strap, I've not come across that term before.

Inexile · 31-10-2013 6:40pm

muddypaws wrote: »

Can you please explain what you mean by dog release strap, I've not come across that term before.

Maybe they mean those quick release collars. Some collars are buckles but others have those fastening where you press the sides of the clip and it comes out.

Either way you cant really suggest that the brother was slow to do something I assume he was elderly too and he tried to alert the driver. I would to think that my reactions would be faster but probably not.

Ardent · 31-10-2013 6:49pm

I'd like to learn more about this "quick release strap" too. I have a whole bunch of leads and harnesses for my dog and they all use buckles.

Anyway, horrible thing to happen. I'm sure it all happened so fast before anyone could really do anything about it.

Hellrazer · 31-10-2013 6:53pm

mrbrown69 wrote: »

Is that an Americanism....you weren't there nor was I, you're no more correct than I.....what I do know is that the general public are by and large thick and stupid, yes that's right thick and stupid

Calm down.there is no need for responses like this.Consider this a mod warning.Don't respond to this on thread.

mrbrown69 · 31-10-2013 7:10pm

muddypaws wrote: »

Can you please explain what you mean by dog release strap, I've not come across that term before.

Hmm...dog, release strap...how's that?

muddypaws · 31-10-2013 7:12pm

mrbrown69 wrote: »

Hmm...dog, release strap...how's that?

No sorry, my dogs have collars or harnesses and leads. The lead clips onto the harnesses and collars, so still no idea what you are talking about.

Why don't you pretend I'm really stupid and explain it - oh wait, you already are.

Hellrazer · 31-10-2013 8:19pm

muddypaws wrote: »

Why don't you pretend I'm really stupid and explain it - oh wait, you already are.

Enough is enough.Infraction given.Ive already warned on thread about responses like this.If anyone else decides to ignore a mod instruction again I will issue a one week ban from the forum without warning

mrbrown69 · 31-10-2013 8:42pm

muddypaws wrote: »

No sorry, my dogs have collars or harnesses and leads. The lead clips onto the harnesses and collars, so still no idea what you are talking about.

.

Now then, lets try this without being told off....."the lead clips onto the harness and collars" so when you "unclip" that lead you are doing what?

for strap see ...collar, lead it can also be used for a belt...it's a handy word isn't it

muddypaws · 31-10-2013 8:54pm

mrbrown69 wrote: »

Now then, lets try this without being told off....."the lead clips onto the harness and collars" so when you "unclip" that lead you are doing what?

for strap see ...collar, lead it can also be used for a belt...it's a handy word isn't it

That isn't what you said earlier, you said 'dog release strap', as if it was a particular object.

juniord · 31-10-2013 9:06pm

RIP little gizmo, hopefully it may save a human life from the lesson learnt,

borderlinemeath · 31-10-2013 9:09pm

Originally Posted by mrbrown69 View Post
lift the dog release strap...

When you say this it sounds like an aeroplane seat belt. I don't know of any dog collar, lead, or harness that is as easy to just "lift". Most mechanisms require two hands, one to hold the buckle, the other to exert pressure on the plastic clip to push it in and release or unbuckle a traditional style collar. Both fiddly and difficult, and bear in mind that it was an OAP trying to deal with this situation, not superman.

It sounds like a horrific accident, a horrible chain of events that led to the dogs death. The lack of attention paid to the dog getting out through the doors and the driver for failing to ensure that the platform/door area was absolutely clear. I know Chihuahuas are small but somebody in charge of a public transit vehicle should have good eyesight. I would have thought it was a prerequisite of the job.

Royal Legend · 31-10-2013 9:18pm

juniord wrote: »

RIP little gizmo, hopefully it may save a human life from the lesson learnt,

?

juniord · 31-10-2013 9:20pm

Royal Legend wrote: »

?

a child with a set of straps walks off and the door closes same scenario

Royal Legend · 31-10-2013 9:22pm

juniord wrote: »

a child with a set of straps walks off and the door closes same scenario

Glad you cleared that up.

GreeBo · 31-10-2013 9:24pm

borderlinemeath wrote: »

When you say this it sounds like an aeroplane seat belt. I don't know of any dog collar, lead, or harness that is as easy to just "lift". Most mechanisms require two hands, one to hold the buckle, the other to exert pressure on the plastic clip to push it in and release or unbuckle a traditional style collar. Both fiddly and difficult, and bear in mind that it was an OAP trying to deal with this situation, not superman.

It sounds like a horrific accident, a horrible chain of events that led to the dogs death. The lack of attention paid to the dog getting out through the doors and the driver for failing to ensure that the platform/door area was absolutely clear. I know Chihuahuas are small but somebody in charge of a public transit vehicle should have good eyesight. I would have thought it was a prerequisite of the job.

arent leads attached to collars by clips?
leave the collar on and just unclip the lead?

also are luas doors like bus doors? its not metal to metal,the close by two rubber sides touching, probably could have just pulled the lead though it if the other person let go.

Finally, no one pulled the emergency break? Im sure the dog was alive for a good while, even if it was being dragged?

RIP little dude.

borderlinemeath · 31-10-2013 9:38pm

GreeBo wrote: »

arent leads attached to collars by clips?
leave the collar on and just unclip the lead?

As I said, it's not that simple and easy in a panic as 'lift the dog release strap' as the MrBrown tried to assert. They are finicky, the metal ring is also flexible where attached to the fabric and most times needs to be held while unclipping the lead. Bearing in mind also that it's a chi, which would have a tiny collar with a tiny metal ring, and highly likely a small clip on the lead. On top of that an older person who is less mobile and wouldn't have the dexterity of a 20 year old trying to unclip the dog added to the tragedy.

also are luas doors like bus doors? its not metal to metal,the close by two rubber sides touching, probably could have just pulled the lead though it if the other person let go.

I don't know, it's been 4/5 years since I've been on one. Who knows, maybe there was one of those poop bag dispensers attached to the handle or it got caught in the door track.

Finally, no one pulled the emergency break? Im sure the dog was alive for a good while, even if it was being dragged?

RIP little dude.

That's what should have been done, but usually there's a split second to make that decision, find the button and then you're faced with the big warning that says "XXXfine for improper use". With the low regard that a good bit of the general populace seem to hold animals, it would have stalled a good few people from pushing that button.

mrbrown69 · 31-10-2013 9:56pm

borderlinemeath wrote: »

When you say this it sounds like an aeroplane seat belt. I don't know of any dog collar, lead, or harness that is as easy to just "lift". Most mechanisms require two hands, one to hold the buckle, the other to exert pressure on the plastic clip to push it in and release or unbuckle a traditional style collar. Both fiddly and difficult, and bear in mind that it was an OAP trying to deal with this situation, not superman.

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A few people were splitting hairs here, lift the dog as in lift the dog up and release the collar/strap whatever very very simple....these trams don't move off at any speed..it was slow enough for a tiny dog like that to run a few yards alongside....also there is no mention of the owners brother being an OAP, he was the one outside

borderlinemeath · 31-10-2013 10:12pm

mrbrown69 wrote: »

A few people were splitting hairs here, lift the dog as in lift the dog up and release the collar/strap whatever very very simple....these trams don't move off at any speed..it was slow enough for a tiny dog like that to run a few yards alongside....also there is no mention of the owners brother being an OAP, he was the one outside

It's not splitting hairs, I really don't know why you think you would be capable of doing things differently. I've already explained how finicky leads can be. Do you have a dog? Do you know how difficult it is to get a lead off a wriggling dog, or one that is being pulled in another direction? Or when the dog is the size of a chihuahua?

And her brother is an OAP, he's 67.

http://www.thestar.ie/star/dog-dragged-to-death-by-luas-35445/

FoxyVixen · 31-10-2013 10:14pm

OP, it sounds like you've an agenda against the family to me?! The brother may not have realised the issue the second it happened, thereby losing invaluable split seconds in saving the dog.

Assuming he is an OAP, then presuming he could capably bend down whilst walking the speed of the Luas, handling a TERRIFIED animal, using elderly hands to release the dog, being aware of the distance before his head would have also collided with the wall and maintaining composure throughout whilst hearing his poor sisters screams of terror.

What point are you trying to prove?

It was an incredibly horrific ordeal for all involved. Leave it at that. Why try to assume they could have done better? You're not gonna receive any medals in this forum. Most here have lost a dear pet at some stage through old age. To lose one under these circumstances would be beyond mine, if not most here, comprehension.

I don't see the value/point in this thread. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what you're trying to achieve?

Edit: as above, the man does seem to be an OAP.

Zoo4m8 · 31-10-2013 10:24pm

mrbrown69 wrote: »

Is that an Americanism....you weren't there nor was I, you're no more correct than I.....what I do know is that the general public are by and large thick and stupid, yes that's right thick and stupid

So..how's it goin' God?

Whoops ....sorry mods, just noticed no response call, my bad....

mrbrown69 · 31-10-2013 10:40pm

FoxyVixen wrote: »

OP, it sounds like you've an agenda against the family to me?! The brother may not have realised the issue the second it happened, thereby losing invaluable split seconds in saving the dog.

Assuming he is an OAP, then presuming he could capably bend down whilst walking the speed of the Luas, handling a TERRIFIED animal, using elderly hands to release the dog, being aware of the distance before his head would have also collided with the wall and maintaining composure throughout whilst hearing his poor sisters screams of terror.

What point are you trying to prove?

It was an incredibly horrific ordeal for all involved. Leave it at that. Why try to assume they could have done better? You're not gonna receive any medals in this forum. Most here have lost a dear pet at some stage through old age. To lose one under these circumstances would be beyond mine, if not most here, comprehension.

I don't see the value/point in this thread. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what you're trying to achieve?

Edit: as above, the man does seem to be an OAP.

No medals?? well **** that then that's me done....I should have asked first would have saved alot of hand wringing :cool:

FoxyVixen · 31-10-2013 10:44pm

You didn't answer my question?

Why create this thread other than to stir things needlessly?

anniehoo · 31-10-2013 11:55pm

mrbrown69 wrote: »

No medals?? well **** that then that's me done....I should have asked first would have saved alot of hand wringing :cool:

You're done?

Well we're done too!

Thread closed.

Dog killled on the Luas

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