Freemen of the Land

pa990

Any one know where the Freemen of The Land (tir na saor, freemen of the land) etc post their vids.

Had a few encounters with them and would be interested in seeing how i am portrayed in their post edited vids.

pa990

pa990 wrote: »

Any one know where the Freemen of The Land (tir na saor, freemen of the land) etc post their vids.

Had a few encounters with them and would be interested in seeing how i am portrayed in their post edited vids.

youtube mostly. have they asked you for your oath? if so, ask them do they recognise act? if they answer no then ask how the garda siochana act 2005 is working out for them?

pa990

foreign wrote: »

youtube mostly.

Any particular channels ?

foreign wrote: »

have they asked you for your oath? if so, ask them do they recognise act? if they answer no then ask how the garda siochana act 2005 is working out for them?

I'll try that thanks

haydar

Can I ask what Freemen of the land are?

Iano_128

haydar wrote: »

Can I ask what Freemen of the land are?

I second this question!

pa990

basically:

"Freemen" believe that statute law is a contract, and that individuals can therefore opt out of statute law, choosing instead to live under what they call "common" (case) and "natural" laws. Under their theory, natural laws require only that individuals do not harm others,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemen_on_the_land



they use maritime law instead of normal laws that the regular soap adheres to.
They have deiced to opt out of the laws of the country.. statutes/ acts etc

ciaran76

Good thread on the Legal forum about them.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056353782

pa990

ciaran76 wrote: »

Good thread on the Legal forum about them.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056353782

yeah.. i've had a look at that.

but does anyone know where they actually post their vids
any particular youtube channels/users/ websites that they share them on .

I really hope that they caught my good side

markpb

haydar wrote: »

Can I ask what Freemen of the land are?

Idiots.

pa990

pa990 wrote: »

but does anyone know where they actually post their vids
any particular youtube channels/users/ websites that they share them on .

I really hope that they caught my good side

Think they post them up individually. Do search for them.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=freemen+of+ireland&oq=freemen&gs_l=youtube.3.0.0l5j0i10l4j0.703.1862.0.3959.7.7.0.0.0.0.61.304.7.7.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.dWORyrV6Fg8

Iano_128

I'm guessing OP is a Guard and has been recorded by them? Had a look at a couple of videos, they seem like a right pain! do they claim or are they entitled to claim the dole if they don't follow any of our laws?

msg11

foreign wrote: »

youtube mostly. have they asked you for your oath? if so, ask them do they recognise act? if they answer no then ask how the garda siochana act 2005 is working out for them?

Do you mean section 16 of the Garda Siochana Act 2005 the one with the Solemn declaration. IE this crack?

“I hereby solemnly and sincerely declare before God that—


• I will faithfully discharge the duties of a member of the Garda Síochána with fairness, integrity, regard for human rights, diligence and impartiality, upholding the Constitution and the laws and according equal respect to all people,


• while I continue to be a member, I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all my duties according to law, and


• I do not belong to, and will not while I remain a member form, belong to or subscribe to, any political party or secret society whatsoever.”.

msg11

msg11 wrote: »

Do you mean section 16 of the Garda Siochana Act 2005 the one with the Solemn declaration. IE this crack?

Yup. Double standards. Don't recognise acts/statutes when it suits. Plenty have come a cropper in court when they say they don't recognise them. They get fairly familiar with prison cells then.

msg11

foreign wrote: »

Yup. Double standards. Don't recognise acts/statutes when it suits. Plenty have come a cropper in court when they say they don't recognise them. They get fairly familiar with prison cells then.

I be fairly sure they haven't decided to opt out of the welfare system either.

da_hambo

This lad whom I used to know will enlighten you all about Freemen tactics. Chancers all I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtMOEKJeaJI

da_hambo

da_hambo wrote: »

This lad whom I used to know will enlighten you all about Freemen tactics. Chancers all I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtMOEKJeaJI

Here is another one. At Anglesea Street Garda Station. They are full of crap and committing an offence for recording in a station. Entertaining nonetheless...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19DbPMofoMI

Kevin3

I think the Law Society Gazette summed them up pretty well:

wotswattage

da_hambo wrote: »

Here is another one. At Anglesea Street Garda Station. They are full of crap and committing an offence for recording in a station. Entertaining nonetheless...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19DbPMofoMI

I don't have a name or believe in names, but I'm looking for the name of this person!!!

I've a pain in my face from watching that...

Strumms

Mind boggling that people like that are actually walking the streets. If we were a civilised society we'd be looking after them with room with soft walls and a romper suit.

Having said that the video is very funny... Funny but mind boggling

Hill St Blue

da_hambo wrote: »

Here is another one. At Anglesea Street Garda Station. They are full of crap and committing an offence for recording in a station. Entertaining nonetheless...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19DbPMofoMI[/QUOTE]

The overwhelming feeling, after watching (and encountering) such codswallop, is the desire to stick my head in a bucket of Jeyes Fluid in order to wash away the idiocy.

Pawwed Rig

They are more similar to a cult than a political movement. If you take what they say at face value it is attractive to the disenfranchised and easy to understand for the less well educated. Where someone is facing a dark time in their life it might be nice for them to believe that their mistakes were someone elses fault and all of their problems can be solved by taking the advice of these guys. Unfortunately for them it is a fantasy.

St.Crusader_G

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irishrgr

We have similar dopes over here, same crap, "Freemen of the land", contract law, maritime law, whatever. As in Ireland, it generally doesn't work too well when you tell a judge you don't recognoise his court. That usually ends up with the judge holding you in contempt, and allowing you the pleasure of not recognoising the celsl for a week or so.

Some are more dangerous than others, armed, etc. In Texas, we have the "Republic of Texas" crowd who argue that Texas was never legally annexed into the US, thus they don't recognoise the Feds or state authority. These "seperatists" have gotten violent, especially against the feds. Approach with caution. I helped serve a warrant on one of these lads for non-payment of property taxes and he threatened the county officials who came to evict him. He was well armed, but happily he was arrested without a shot being fired.

Questions: In Ireland is there a law that require one to identify themselves to a Garda?
And is there a law requireing one to comply with the lawful order of a Garda?

Here we have both and it is an offense to not ID yourself to a peace officer and to not follow a lawful order.

Many of the "freemen" my colleagues have encounterd have run afoul of at least the above.

Curious,

A

bravestar

irishrgr wrote: »

And is there a law requireing one to comply with the lawful order of a Garda?

Here we have both and it is an offense to not ID yourself to a peace officer and to not follow a lawful order.

Yes, various bit of legislation that make it an offence not to comply with a lawful order. (sec 8 public order act 1994 for example)

There is no offence of not carrying ID. However, if you are suspected of an offence your name and address can be demanded. (Sec 24 (2)(a) public order act 1994 for example)

da_hambo

Lads sequel to the above Anglesea Street video. This time no name Leo is attempting to stop outlaws kidnapping Eva the girl he was representing at the station. Spotted this on the freemen megamerge thread. Credit to the o.p. Includes a Sgt talking sense to Eva that Noname Leo and gang are full of crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bZBArIMkF0

irishrgr

Yep, sounds like the laws are pretty much the same. We have no requirement to carry ID, however if a peace officer demands it, you must identify yourself to his/her satisfaction. Practically speaking over here 99% of the population carry a driving license, so it's not overly common to encounter someone without an ID.

Those tend to be the two biggest pitfalls of the "freemen" here when they encounter LEO's.

Another recent phenomen is the filming of LEO's at work. Some of the anti-police organizations even give classes on how to and what to film. It's all legal (90% of what we do is filmed anyhow on dashcam) so long as they don't interfere with us. Had a colleague recently who ended up arresting a bloke who just would'nt stay on the path and film, he insisted in getting into the road to film a traffic stop.

All part of the fun and games. I commend the few gardai I've seen (online) being patient with these plonkers.

irishrgr

Sorry, premature click.....again, my hat is off to the Gardai for their patience with these people. If I were dealing with it, the chap in the red coat would have come close to arrest for interfering with a public servant.

Our rule is generally, go hands on with us and you are going to jail. A byproduct of being armed, is, any contact has the potential to grab my weapon, therefore we're pretty sensitive to it.

Another question: the female who was arrested, I noticed she wasn't cuffed. Is that not normal procedure for an arrest? We have to cuff all arrestee's for everyones protection. I don't want someone going crazy in the back of the car and hurting me or themselves.

Well done lads on that one.

A

3fullback

He must have broadband to upload them videos ! I wonder what's the name on the bill ???

msg11

Oh lord,

The HSE is a business like Tesco's run the same as Tesco. Selling children.

Garda outlaws, if they don't recognise the Garda why are they call them Garda

Pawwed Rig

Has anyone mentioned blue ink yet?

da_hambo

msg11 wrote: »

Oh lord,

The HSE is a business like Tesco's run the same as Tesco. Selling children.

Garda outlaws, if they don't recognise the Garda why are they call them Garda

I think Outlaws is a compliment! As in Robin Hood and his Merry Men were outlaws. And they were good guys that helped the downtrodden.

bravestar

da_hambo wrote: »

I think Outlaws is a compliment! As in Robin Hood and his Merry Men were outlaws. And they were good guys that helped the downtrodden.

They probably see themselves as robin hoods, sticking it to the man!

endacl

haydar wrote: »

Can I ask what Freemen of the land are?

I popped in a quick definition on another thread. Hope it helps!

I'm open to correction, but as far as I can make out, a freeman is somebody who wants the state to follow a particular interpretation of 'the rules' when it suits the freeman. And who likewise, when it suits them, doesn't want to follow 'the rules'.

Imagine an adult toddler if it helps to clarify...

pa990

endacl wrote: »

I popped in a quick definition on another thread. Hope it helps!

I'm open to correction, but as far as I can make out, a freeman is somebody who wants the state to follow a particular interpretation of 'the rules' when it suits the freeman. And who likewise, when it suits them, doesn't want to follow 'the rules'.

Imagine an adult toddler if it helps to clarify...

You're spot on.

They know what is what when it suits.
Their delusions are comical is not worrying.

I feel sorry for the poor woman that had been suckered in by them.
Desperation is an awful thing.

msg11

Where exactly do they get there laws from? And why the need to speak in what seems like Old English ?

If this freeman law was started when the state was formed surely it would be in Irish, why are they even speaking in English. There whole theory is a crock of **** to be honest.

Zambia

da_hambo wrote: »

Lads sequel to the above Anglesea Street video. This time no name Leo is attempting to stop outlaws kidnapping Eva the girl he was representing at the station. Spotted this on the freemen megamerge thread. Credit to the o.p. Includes a Sgt talking sense to Eva that Noname Leo and gang are full of crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bZBArIMkF0

Like a big camera stand off.

pa990

Here's leo's latest


its funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdYMUZAXoWA

bravestar

pa990 wrote: »

Here's leo's latest


its funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdYMUZAXoWA

Poor Leo, stayed up past his bed time thinking the toy show was on and now he's all grouchy. I think he needs some of his mammys booby milk and a good sleep.

wotswattage

He's off his game...

The description is crazy too:

today Wednesday 6th November 2013 AD i was forced to have a mud-bath in a pool of water on the footpath and i was then abducted by GARDA OUTLAWS...

Have many guards here come across Freemen??

TheNog

wotswattage wrote: »

He's off his game...

The description is crazy too:



Have many guards here come across Freemen??

None so far but I cannot wait though

MarkR

I flicked through that last video. He seems so spend most of his time shouting at a building? What does he want angela's body for? Is she dead, or is this some weird freeman stuff?

Around 6:10 he said he'd see that guard hang. Can't they arrest someone for that?

da_hambo

MarkR wrote: »

I flicked through that last video. He seems so spend most of his time shouting at a building? What does he want angela's body for? Is she dead, or is this some weird freeman stuff?

Around 6:10 he said he'd see that guard hang. Can't they arrest someone for that?

Definitely Section 5 or 6 Public Order offence, maybe theyre told to take no notice of him tho.

endacl

da_hambo wrote: »

Definitely Section 5 or 6 Public Order offence, maybe theyre told to take no notice of him tho.

True. Reacting to muppetry is acknowledging that there is some validity to the muppetry. Better and more effective to let them rant on, letting people see them for the muppets they are. The only sympathetic audience they have are other muppets. Arresting one only gives the others a cause. The best course of action is to stand back, don't engage, and enjoy the show. Drives them nuts!

Whatever you do, don't try talking sense. They're immune to logic and facts....

wotswattage

Heres another one, in Scotland this time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_2e-VPdzoQ

They seem to be quick to selectively quote from the dictionary. See him quote Driver which is defined as someone employed in the operation of xyz then state that he's not employed at this particular time with regard to the operation of the vehicle. But if he were bothered to look up the definition of employ in the same dictionary:

employ (ɪmˈplɔɪ) Definitions

verb
1 to engage or make use of the services of (a person) in return for money; hire
2 to provide work or occupation for; keep busy; occupy
3 to use as a means

Complete straw man argument

Most of their arguments seem to rely on different interpretations of words and cherry pick the definitions which suit them. Same for that git from cork talking about a fine being 'fine', and quoting half its definition to the guard. If you're relying on quoting the definition of a word to get around the law, you cant qoute half of it!

EDIT: said id add in the video of the guy in cork talking about fines for amusement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-WLD7HXU7I

endacl

Where're all the wee freemen at? This thread needs more comedic interaction! Right. I'll take the role.

I as a registered user of boards.ie have a simple question for the forum mods: are you on your oath?

Of course, as the token freeman here, and of course not bring an actual freeman, no answer that the mods give will suffice. This, I understand, being in the absence of the existence of a moderator oath, will not alter in one iota my line of freeman discourse. I will simply repeat the question. With an ever-increasing tone of incredulous indignation.

I do realise this post does not make much sense. I'm trying to get 'in character', as it were.

bravestar

wotswattage wrote: »

Heres another one, in Scotland this time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_2e-VPdzoQ

They seem to be quick to selectively quote from the dictionary. See him quote Driver which is defined as someone employed in the operation of xyz then state that he's not employed at this particular time with regard to the operation of the vehicle. But if he were bothered to look up the definition of employ in the same dictionary:



Complete straw man argument

Most of their arguments seem to rely on different interpretations of words and cherry pick the definitions which suit them. Same for that git from cork talking about a fine being 'fine', and quoting half its definition to the guard. If you're relying on quoting the definition of a word to get around the law, you cant qoute half of it!

EDIT: said id add in the video of the guy in cork talking about fines for amusement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-WLD7HXU7I

In fairness to the Polis, he had the patience of a saint. Gotta wonder why the video stopped though... A. The window went in and Peter Joseph of the house of Gallagher was pulled out or B. He did what he was told and didn't want to look like a failure to all his little fan boys.

wotswattage

If it were A, we'd be looking at everything after the recording stopped and they would be spouting about bully tactics!

Zambia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOj0dkl8MMA

Meanwhile in Russia.

Basically this driver was drunk and did not comply with the officer in a timely manner.

All you need watch is the first 10 seconds.

angelfire9

Zambia wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOj0dkl8MMA

Meanwhile in Russia.

Basically this driver was drunk and did not comply with the officer in a timely manner.

All you need watch is the first 10 seconds.

Oh my god
The ombudsman here would be having multiple kittens

msg11

He seems to be upping his game and getting far more abusive.

pa990

msg11 wrote: »

He seems to be upping his game and getting far more abusive.

I pity the poor fupper that has to live with him.