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Rasmussen outs Hesjedal

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  • 30-10-2013 9:05pm
    #1
    RobFowl
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    As it says on the tin..
    The chicken outed Ryder Hesjedal who's now admitted doping a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away.


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    Darkglasses
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    Linky: http://globalnews.ca/news/934686/danish-pro-cyclist-makes-doping-claims-against-hesjedal/

    EDIT: Just noticed, that's about some other 2012 Giro d'Italia winner called Ryan Hesjedal. My bad.


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    Zyzz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Zyzz


    "when he joined the US Postal System Service team"

    lol


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    #4
    letape
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    Joacquim Rodriquez can't be feeling too happy...


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    Russman
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    Super for him that his performances improved when he stopped, around about the same time "cycling changed".


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    Brian?
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    Feck it anyway.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    Glass Prison 1214
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    Horrible to see, but the more past dopers that are named and shamed the better. The current generation needs to know theres no getting away with it anymore.


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    Slo_Rida
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    Glass Prison 1214 wrote: »
    Horrible to see, but the more past dopers that are named and shamed the better. The current generation needs to know theres no getting away with it anymore.

    But get away with it is exactly what Ryder did. Grand tour to his name now and all.
    And on it goes.


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    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Nobody's saying he doped to win the Giro


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    Lusk_Doyle
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    letape wrote: »
    Joacquim Rodriquez can't be feeling too happy...

    Why?


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    Slo_Rida
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    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    Nobody's saying he doped to win the Giro

    Well, he doped......and he won the Giro. Studies show doping can improve your ability for many years after you stop.
    Oh but you're right sure he said it, I only did it this one time and stopped straight away, so I'm not REALLY a doper. Oh and Michael made me do it.

    Nobody's saying he didn't dope to win it either.


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    Slo_Rida
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    Slo_Rida wrote: »

    Nobody's saying he didn't dope to win it either.

    If this gets me into trouble on boards I'll throw my hat at it.


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    Chips Lovell
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    Slo_Rida wrote: »
    Nobody's saying he didn't dope to win it either.

    a. Yes they are.
    b. I'd think about the logical implications of that kind of assertion.


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    Macy0161
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    Glass Prison 1214 wrote: »
    Horrible to see, but the more past dopers that are named and shamed the better. The current generation needs to know theres no getting away with it anymore.
    They'd be better splitting samples into 4 or 5, storing some, and retro testing them when techniques improve, rather than this selective outing though. Re test samples 6 year later just before the statute of limitations expires.

    Fair play to Ryder in one respect, he was ahead of the game stopping in 2003, rather than 2006 when most people stopped...


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    Slo_Rida
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    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    logical implications.

    No idea what you're getting at, honestly.

    To clear up any doubt, I'm saying that his doping helped him win the Giro, even though it has been stated that he stopped in 2003.


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    Beasty
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    Slo_Rida wrote: »
    To clear up any doubt, I'm saying that his doping helped him win the Giro, even though it has been stated that he stopped in 2003.
    The point is that you are not in possession of enough facts/evidence to make such a claim. If you said it may have helped him win, that may not be an unreasonable statement to make


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    Slo_Rida
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    Beasty wrote: »
    The point is that you are not in possession of enough facts/evidence to make such a claim. If you said it may have helped him win, that may not be an unreasonable statement to make

    Right, I know the rules here, fair enough.

    I've always had my own theory on the benefits of doping after you stop and this seems to show evidence of it:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24730151
    I think muscle memory is the key point.
    This really belongs in a different thread so apologies for the hijacking.


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    Lusk_Doyle
    Registered Users Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Lusk_Doyle


    Slo_Rida wrote: »
    Right, I know the rules here, fair enough.

    I've always had my own theory on the benefits of doping after you stop and this seems to show evidence of it:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24730151
    I think muscle memory is the key point.
    This really belongs in a different thread so apologies for the hijacking.

    Some nine years later?!?


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    gordongekko
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    Is it not time for cycling to bring in much more serious punishments that will in reality be self policing ie if any member of a team is found guilty of doping the whole team is thrown out of the race and banned from that race the following year.


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    Slo_Rida
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    Lusk_Doyle wrote: »
    Some nine years later?!?

    ""If it is sufficient to build muscle mass, I think it would be sufficient to give you this long term effect. I think it could last 10 years but I don't have the data to back that up. It would be my speculation yes," he said".

    It always made sense to me in theory:
    You're body is being powered to train more/harder than it was naturally meant to be able to. So it alters the makeup of the muscles in order to build them up. The built up-edness may go but the makeup remains changed thus allowing you to re-train to that level again without the use of drugs.


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    Slo_Rida
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    gordongekko wrote: »
    Is it not time for cycling to bring in much more serious punishments that will in reality be self policing ie if any member of a team is found guilty of doping the whole team is thrown out of the race and banned from that race the following year.

    The paper I referenced above is hinting that lifetime bans are needed if you dope because the benefits of doping last years, maybe a decade after you stop.


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    Chips Lovell
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    Slo_Rida wrote: »
    No idea what you're getting at, honestly.

    To clear up any doubt, I'm saying that his doping helped him win the Giro, even though it has been stated that he stopped in 2003.

    Your're saying his doping in 2003 helped him win the Giro in 2012?


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    godtabh
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    Slo_Rida wrote: »
    If this gets me into trouble on boards I'll throw my hat at it.

    At boards? Good luck with that.

    Will there be any consequences as a result of this?


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    gordongekko
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    Slo_Rida wrote: »
    The paper I referenced above is hinting that lifetime bans are needed if you dope because the benefits of doping last years, maybe a decade after you stop.

    i think there are legal issues doing that. Wasn't there a British sprinter given a lifetime ban from the olympics but managed to challenge this through the courts.


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    #25
    Slo_Rida
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    godtabh wrote: »

    Will there be any consequences as a result of this?

    WOW. What are you like.


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    Lusk_Doyle
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    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    Your're saying his doping in 2003 helped him win the Giro in 2012?

    Well Vlad, I had a mars bar in 2003 and I did Milan San Remo in 2012...:rolleyes:


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    Russman
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    Other than he knew it was wrong, and has felt bad about it ever since, does he say what made him stop back in 2003 or whenever he did ? That'd be an interesting question to put to him.

    Maybe it was just that everyone else stopped too :)


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    godtabh
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    Slo_Rida wrote: »
    WOW. What are you like.

    Things are changing in cycling. A dopper has admitted doping. Ban him


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    Lumen
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    godtabh wrote: »
    Things are changing in cycling. A dopper has admitted doping. Ban him
    I think Slo Rida thought you meant for himself. :pac:


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    Slo_Rida
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    Thanks Lumen, I thought godtabh was calling for lifetime ban for me.
    :o


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    Lusk_Doyle
    Registered Users Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Lusk_Doyle


    Slo_Rida wrote: »
    Thanks Lumen, I thought godtabh was calling for lifetime ban for me.
    :o

    Well at the very least your thanked posts and post total should not count towards your star rating for two years!


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