someone has stolen my identity

Dublinpato

Just walked in to find a nice fine from Irish Rail in my name, gave them a ring to let them know they have been given false info to clear my name and now i have to wait for a call with a time and date for a meeting with an inspector i mean WTF how can people get away with this so easily if that's the case f*ck paying for a ticket i will just wait until i get caught and have a quick look in the phone book and pick a lucky winner, i think they should ask these w*nkers for proof of identity and if they fail to provide they should be held until the gards come.

Grayson

You realise it was probably a mate.

And in this case I think they borrowed your identity, not stole. I have a feeling they don't need it any more.

Johnnio13

Most likely someone you know, and someone that knows where you live.

Banjo String

Presumably there is a time and place of this 'offence' happening?

If so, you just prove you were elsewhere at the time.

Simple

Dublinpato

Banjo String wrote: »

Presumably there is a time and place of this 'offence' happening?

If so, you just prove you were elsewhere at the time.

Simple

yes apparently this happened in July how the fudge am i supposed to know where i was in July i hardly remember where i was Saturday night and why would they wait so long to send out a fine.

MisterKipling

all trains have cctv, ask them do they have video evidence of the person who gave ur details...i know thats way far fetched but if it were me id be curious to know who gave my details!

MarkR

I would imagine the onus would be on them to prove it was you, rather than you having to prove you weren't there?

Must be a bastard to be John Smith, 123 Fake Street.

Enright

How do i know that its really you who started this post? PM your dob and bank details so i can check my records

kneemos

Dublinpato wrote: »

yes apparently this happened in July how the fudge am i supposed to know where i was in July i hardly remember where i was Saturday night and why would they wait so long to send out a fine.

Can Irish Rail issue fines or is it a court fine?

Dublinpato

Grayson wrote: »

You realise it was probably a mate.

And in this case I think they borrowed your identity, not stole. I have a feeling they don't need it any more.

it's definitely not a mate i know where the person came from and was stopped when he game my name and nobody i know has any reason to be coming from there or going to that place they where caught plus i asked anyways they would have told me and owed me a pint:D

AckwelFoley

Grayson wrote: »

You realise it was probably a mate.

And in this case I think they borrowed your identity, not stole. I have a feeling they don't need it any more.

Some mate. Absolute **** of a mate

Dublinpato

kneemos wrote: »

Can Irish Rail issue fines or is it a court fine?

apparently they can it say's here "credit card or laser card by phone or alternatively by cash, postal order or cheque by post or by calling into the dart revenue protection office"

elefant

AckwelFoley wrote: »

Absolute **** of a mate

What a great turn of phrase!

suicide_circus

always use the same address

Paul Hewson
14 Vico Road
Kiliney
Co Dublin

RayCon

Pato - from Dublin ... there's you're problem right there - there's 1000's of you.

Dublinpato

RayCon wrote: »

Pato - from Dublin ... there's you're problem right there - there's 1000's of you.

pato's my old name so it's not anyone that i know now, they call me dragon now:pac:

Dublinpato

Enright wrote: »

How do i know that its really you who started this post? PM your dob and bank details so i can check my records

ahh no way am i falling for that again last time i did that someone ordered a 10" black dildo some whip cream and 3 bottle's of lube and a boyzone dvd:pac::pac:

danniemcq

It could be a friend or a friend of a friend.

For example, person is on Facebook, sees inspector coming, clicks random persons comment and see's the profile.

Gives that name.

Although the address thing hints at someone knowing you a bit better than that, perhaps one of your mates was in the area and didn't want anyone finding out and thats why they hid their name.

Ask to see the CCTV of the incident. this will show them its not you and show you who it was

Dublinpato

danniemcq wrote: »

Ask to see the CCTV of the incident. this will show them its not you and show you who it was

well from what the guy said on the phone he is gonna set up a meet with the inspector who caught the guy but this was in july i'am sure this inspector has caught many more people doing the same since then how is he gonna remember who was who but you'r right i will be asking for cctv footage and try and catch the fecker.

Chancer3001

I got issued a fine before. Cos I had no ticket on a train.

Guy took my name and details. I gave him a fake address.

Mother guilted me into ringing iarnrod eireann to pay the fine though. Damn catholic guilt.

When I rang the fine had never even been sent to head office. So no fine for me. And free train.
My point is, I could have given any name I liked when getting the fine. It's a stupid system.

Dublinpato

Chancer3001 wrote: »

I got issued a fine before. Cos I had no ticket on a train.

Guy took my name and details. I gave him a fake address.

Mother guilted me into ringing iarnrod eireann to pay the fine though. Damn catholic guilt.

When I rang the fine had never even been sent to head office. So no fine for me. And free train.
My point is, I could have given any name I liked when getting the fine. It's a stupid system.

is that how you became Chancer3001

[-0-]

Did you call the identity police?

AnonoBoy

Dublinpato wrote: »

yes apparently this happened in July how the fudge am i supposed to know where i was in July i hardly remember where i was Saturday night

If you can't even remember where you were last weekend then how do you know it wasn't you on the train Tyler Durden?

gramar

Having a proper national ID card system in place would have solved the problem before it ever existed.

Dublinpato

AnonoBoy wrote: »

If you can't even remember where you were last weekend then how do you know it wasn't you on the train Tyler Durden?

are you kidding me public transport that is totes outrageous:pac: nah that would be something i'd remember.

seamus

Would be interesting to see if this would hold up in court, since the inspector clearly never asked for any kind of official documentation.

You'd be surprised how easy it is to account for your whereabouts, especially in these modern times. If you're not working, then look at your phone, check texts from that day. Check calendars and emails to see who you were communicating with.

FreshKnickers

Tell 'em it was your identical twin.

babi-hrse

entirely sure thats a real fine?
could be scammers.

kneemos

gramar wrote: »

Having a proper national ID card system in place would have solved the problem before it ever existed.

But then we'd never know we had a problem.

jester77

lol, what a joke of system it must be if you can just give any name. If you don't have a ticket here, you are taken off the train, have to show official ID, they check that you are who you are and you get a fine. No ID or they cannot validate it and the police take over.

riffmongous

Sounds like another Mossad job to me

JustAddWater

jester77 wrote: »

lol, what a joke of system it must be if you can just give any name. If you don't have a ticket here, you are taken off the train, have to show official ID, they check that you are who you are and you get a fine. No ID or they cannot validate it and the police take over.

Do IR have the power to detain anyone?

If you want to leave, they surely couldn't stop you

Banjo String

Dublinpato wrote: »

yes apparently this happened in July how the fudge am i supposed to know where i was in July i hardly remember where i was Saturday night and why would they wait so long to send out a fine.

I would know if I was on particular train, at a particular time, headed to a particular destination in July.

But that's just me. I'm weird like that.

anncoates

Dublinpato wrote: »

pato's my old name so it's not anyone that i know now, they call me dragon now:pac:

Might have been an old flame that used your name?

miss no stars

They should just write it into the bylaws that if you fail to produce a ticket, you must provide proof of identity for the issuance of a fine. Seriously, how many people travel without their wallet? Even an ATM card would have your name on it.

I got caught once (entirely unintentionally, it was a Friday morning and I usually bought my weekly ticket on a Monday but had bought it the previous Friday for whatever reason and forgot that it was out of date, tried to tell them I had to buy a ticket anyway to get home which I would put through the machine right there in front of them, so no loss in revenue, so why fine me?! but it didn't work. I personally thought that was a bit mean of them, there's a difference between evasion and genuine mistake plus I had the weekly tickets from the previous couple of months in my wallet so it was clear that I bought the ticket every week and it was just a mistake)

Anyway, when I got stopped they had an address listing and wanted some form of ID. Couldn't just make up an address and hope for the best. Dunno why they aren't doing this any more? Surely something like an ipad would make this really, really quick and easy to check, especially as the trains are kitted out with wifi. Show ID, give address. Inspector checks that the address exists. Job done.

Stingerbar

well john smith, that's what you get for living on 123 fake street

Dublinpato

well i got a phone call back they wan't to interview me today i can only hope they provide cctv footage so i can find out who it was and pull his fingernails off and put itching powder on his balls and prove my innocents of course.

keithclancy

Seriously, you can just give any ol name and address:

http://www.irishrail.ie/media/FixedPenaltyDLLeaflet1.pdf

15. DO I HAVE TO PAY THE FIXED PENALTY NOTICE
ON THE SPOT?
No, you have 21 days to pay the penalty. You are
required by law to provide your full name and address.
Failure to provide the correct details will lead to you being
detained until correct details are given and verified.
Failure to provide the correct details when asked or to
give false details is a criminal Offence and can lead to a
court appearance and possible prosecution. In cases
where details given are false or an Individual is abusive or
aggressive to staff, authorised Members of the Revenue
Protection Unit can detain Individuals on Railway property
until their arrest by The Gardai Siochána.

No ID required ... I can see that holding up in court, when offies are getting done for not checking for Garda Age Cards. :rolleyes:

Teyla Emmagan

My friend and I were on holidays years ago and met this guy who was a bit nuts. Harmless but a pain in the hole. He was insisting on getting our addresses as he was always going on about coming to Ireland. So we gave him the address of this walking bitch who had treated us both like **** in college all year (we were young). That's all fine didn't think any more of it. Back before email you gave addresses away freely.

That's all fine until the next college term until your woman came in ranting and raving about this weird french bloke who had turned up at her folk's house looking to stay a week. She had been in work so her poor mother had taken him in and spent the day feeding him and chatting to him. She threw him out then but to her fury couldn't give him either of our addresses.

Anyway, I felt like a right **** for ages. Mostly for her mother and a little for the weird guy who had turned up out of the blue looking for a free bed.

First

SpaceTime

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

My friend and I were on holidays years ago and met this guy who was a bit nuts. Harmless but a pain in the hole. He was insisting on getting our addresses as he was always going on about coming to Ireland. So we gave him the address of this walking bitch who had treated us both like **** in college all year (we were young). That's all fine didn't think any more of it. Back before email you gave addresses away freely.

That's all fine until the next college term until your woman came in ranting and raving about this weird french bloke who had turned up at her folk's house looking to stay a week. She had been in work so her poor mother had taken him in and spent the day feeding him and chatting to him. She threw him out then but to her fury couldn't give him either of our addresses.

Anyway, I felt like a right **** for ages. Mostly for her mother and a little for the weird guy who had turned up out of the blue looking for a free bed.

First

I don't want to drag the thread off topic, but you have to be very careful about saying "drop in anytime" to most people who aren't aware of the idiosyncrasies of Irish politeness. I know a few people who've said "ah sure drop in anytime you're in Ireland" to Americans and have had them turn up to stay for 2 weeks a couple of months later.

Surprising a French bloke did that though. The French are usually as ridiculous as we are about saying such things and not meaning them at all. They're as likely to vaguely invite you to call in and then bitch and moan about the fact that you actually turned up
The guy you're describing sounds a little bit socially confused though. You'd get a bit of an odd reaction of if you turned up unannounced looking to borrow the couch in most French households too!

It will be interesting to see what happens with this case regarding the OP though.
I can't see how they could make a charge of non-payment stick when they've no evidence you've been there.
Irish law works on the basis of innocent until proven guilty, I don't see why the OP should have to prove his innocence. It's up to CIE to prove guilt. At least, unless CIE are operating in some kind of legal space of their own entirely, which wouldn't surprise me.

Identity theft can be a nasty business though!

I would suggest the OP gets proper legal advice if they take this further.

Karona

Well what happened op??

Moe Syzlack

Dublinpato wrote: »

Just walked in to find a nice fine from Irish Rail in my name, gave them a ring to let them know they have been given false info to clear my name and now i have to wait for a call with a time and date for a meeting with an inspector i mean WTF how can people get away with this so easily if that's the case f*ck paying for a ticket i will just wait until i get caught and have a quick look in the phone book and pick a lucky winner, i think they should ask these w*nkers for proof of identity and if they fail to provide they should be held until the gards come.

Such things are going to happen in a country without ID cards. I've thought about that happening before OP.

Pushtrak

Wonder if he had to pay the fine and is fuming or what.

Sir Bernard Woolley

He is probably still locked up in the RPU office near platform 2 at Connolly Station.

PizzamanIRL

They're so naive thinking that people will give their true details to receive a fine.

'Oh you want my name and address that you need no proof of so you can send me a fine? OK no problem'

Dublinpato

What a complete waste of time and a waste of a fiver (got a return ticket for the train) took me about 30 min's to get to pearse station, walked over to the office the guy come's out and say's "it's definitely not you" i mean i f*cking know that that's why i'am here i wan't to clear my name and catch the f*cker, i was asked to bring photo id they didn't even ask for it i asked did they have cctv footage they said nope i asked could they put my name in the computer so if it's used again they can catch the f*cker they said they had a system for that cough cough lying w*nker cough cough anyway's the whole thing only lasted 5 min's so i'am in the clear and somebody is out there using my name i mean if he got away with it once whats to stop him using it again.

Sarn

At least you got it sorted.

I don't know if I would have taken the time to go in to them. You should write to them looking for a refund of your ticket fare given the inconvenience that they caused. Throw in a 'how disappointed you are' that they don't have a proper system in place for verifying an individuals ID at the time of the offence. Adding 'the mental anguish that they caused' might be a bit much.

gugleguy

Sarn wrote: »

At least you got it sorted.

I don't know if I would have taken the time to go in to them. You should write to them looking for a refund of your ticket fare given the inconvenience that they caused. Throw in a 'how disappointed you are' that they don't have a proper system in place for verifying an individuals ID at the time of the offence. Adding 'the mental anguish that they caused' might be a bit much.

op, you have not been falsely accused in ur workplace. Six years ago i worked in an office where a colleague was falsely accused of damaging office equipment - because a higher rank than us had done the damage. Further back still, in an earlier employment, a superior cracked a CD with printer drivers on it - when the internet was not such an available resource as it is now. Then, this superiors friend initiates a team wide investigation to find a 'committer' - with the full approval of this guy who does not own up. Nobody was 'caught' in the end but it didn't help the atmosphere.

No Pants

If it does happen again, ignore it. Just gather your proof together and let them take you to court. Then waste their time and money and embarrass them;

Username99

gramar wrote: »

Having a proper national ID card system in place would have solved the problem before it ever existed.

Too much hassle for the travellers, shur how are they going to fit 10 ID cards in their wallets alongside 10 social welfare cards.

SpaceTime

Simplest solution would be to take a photograph of anyone caught.
Then if there's any ID issue it could be rapidly resolved.

Repeat offenders could be tracked down and done for identity theft.