Ireland ‘ready for legalisation of cannabis

creep

Do you agree with Ming Flanagan. It would generate a huge amount of income for the country or would it just make everyone lazy and would everyone just turn into stoners smoking it all day.

Link to article and Flanagan's Bill been put forward to the dail for discussion.

Custardpi

I was going to reply to your post with an insightful assessment of the likely sociological ramifications of legislative change in this area................




...........but then I got high!

The Big Smoke

With the backward, clueless, religious, ignorant stains we call politicians running the country (not to mention their idiot voters), I highly doubt we will see legislation of this wonderful plant for the next 20 years.

stimpson

Who is Mick Flanagan?

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

The Big Smoke wrote: »

With the backward, clueless, religious, ignorant stains we call politicians running the country (not to mention their idiot voters), I highly doubt we will see legislation of this wonderful plant for the next 20 years.

Apt username

m1ck007

Not a chance its illegal for a reason.

tayto lover

The earlier report of the damage caused to the learning process of young users will probably weigh heavily against cannabis being legalised.
If it is eventually legalised will they set an age limit i.e. 18 years on users?

seanie_c

The Vintners syndicate will never allow Cannabis to be legalized, even if it's for medicinal purposes.

Legalizing Cannabis would decimate the pub industry so it's not going to happen.

Why would legalization of Cannabis decimate the alcohol industry?

Smoke it and find out. See if you still want to poison yourself with alcohol.

Wattle

creep wrote: »

Do you agree with Mick Flanagan. It would generate a huge amount of income for the country or would it just make everyone lazy and would everyone just turn into stoners smoking it all day.

Link to article and Flanagan's Bill been put forward to the dail for discussion.

But of course we'd either:

A. Not smoke it at all or B. Do nothing but smoke it.

There's no in-between with these dangerous illegal drugs :rolleyes:

AnonoBoy

m1ck007 wrote: »

Not a chance its illegal for a reason.

Because it's against the law is the strongest reason for it being illegal I think.


But wait..... isn't that also why people want it to be made legal?

Cause if it wasn't against the law they wouldn't be campaigning for it to be decriminalised.

So if you want to stop people campaigning for it to be made legal you should decriminalise it and then when they stop campaigning you can make it illegal again.

Wooooaaahhhhh..... the old switcharoo dude. Works every time!

Anyone got any Pringles?

SureYWouldntYa

While it would probably get legalised if voted on, the PC brigade or Nannyism people, whatever they're called won't let it happen yet as with abortion, it will take a while for this country to legalise stuff the church doesn't like

Fukuyama

m1ck007 wrote: »

Not a chance its illegal for a reason.

I know I shouldn't but... go on then

Fukuyama

seanie_c wrote: »

The Vintners syndicate will never allow Cannabis to be legalized, even if it's for medicinal purposes.

Legalizing Cannabis would decimate the pub industry so it's not going to happen.

Why would legalization of Cannabis decimate the alcohol industry?

Smoke it and find out. See if you still want to poison yourself with alcohol.

Any time I have access to decent weed, I pretty much stop drinking.

It's soooo much nicer to be high than drunk.

seanie_c

creep wrote: »

Do you agree with Ming Flanagan. It would generate a huge amount of income for the country or would it just make everyone lazy and would everyone just turn into stoners smoking it all day.

Link to article and Flanagan's Bill been put forward to the dail for discussion.

Look into why Cannabis was banned.

wazky

Shure getting strung out on the channbis tis only a gateway to injecting heroin into your eyes.

hidinginthebush

m1ck007 wrote: »

Not a chance its illegal for a reason.

What reason is that?

Warning: Any 'facts' will need to be backed up by articles from respected peer reviewed journals

BillyMitchel

tayto lover wrote: »

The earlier report of the damage caused to the learning process of young users will probably weigh heavily against cannabis being legalised.
If it is eventually legalised will they set an age limit i.e. 18 years on users?

Of course it would. Sure 18 was the age limit he put forward with harsh consequences if caught.

It could definitely work alright, tax revenue, tourism etc etc

I know some people and it doesn't make them lazy at all but on the other hand give me a spliff now and after it I could sleep for day. People would just need to be careful same way as most wouldn't drink 10 pints a day or chain smoke 40 fags or eat 50 Big Macs a week. People have to be responsible for themselves sometimes!!

dundalkfc10

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

While it would probably get legalised if voted on, the PC brigade or Nannyism people, whatever they're called won't let it happen yet as with abortion, it will take a while for this country to legalise stuff the church doesn't like

Id say a few priests would be prone to an old joint every now and then

seanie_c

Dean0088 wrote: »

Any time I have access to decent weed, I pretty much stop drinking.

It's soooo much nicer to be high than drunk.

Agreed.

If Ireland started cultivating Marijuana tomorrow using organic fertilizers instead of petro-chemical based ones, the buzz would be much smoother.

Alcohol is okay in moderation and Cannabis puts a limit on it. If you smoke Cannabis before drinking alcohol, your consumption is severely reduced.

I'm pretty sure the Vintners Syndicate know this and are more concerned about their profits than anything else.

The Big Smoke

Sativa is the most amazing and wonderful plant you can get, it can aid depression, study or just read about different and interesting things. Not to mention the ailments weed can help with.

seanie_c

There's definitely a potential in certain strains of weed treating Depression and many other ailments.

The problem is convincing the public a plant is not evil.

Alcohol, man made = Good.
Cannabis, made by nature = Bad.

lertsnim

creep wrote: »

It would generate a huge amount of income for the country or would it just make everyone lazy and would everyone just turn into stoners smoking it all day.

Has the Netherlands turned into a country of stoners? No is the answer to that question so why would here be any different.

tayto lover

seanie_c wrote: »

There's definitely a potential in certain strains of weed treating Depression and many other ailments.

The problem is convincing the public a plant is not evil.

Alcohol, man made = Good.
Cannabis, made by nature = Bad.

I always thought that if you had depression then you should stay away from cannabis.
Have you a link that please?

seanie_c

tayto lover wrote: »

I always thought that if you had depression then you should stay away from cannabis.
Have you a link that please?

Doesn't apply to everyone, and maybe this next statement is a generalization.
I believe most people depressed consume large amounts of alcohol.

It's no shocker most suicides are influenced in some part by alcohol consumption.

So why oppose legalization of Cannabis?
It would most likely reduce alcohol consumption.

That's the biggest fear for lobby groups like Vintners; A loss of profits.

You will not see Cannabis legalized in Ireland so long as these lobby groups have an influence over the political parties that control legislation in Ireland.

Cookie_Monster

seanie_c wrote: »

Alcohol, man made = Good.
Cannabis, made by nature = Bad.

alcohol forms naturally in fruits once they fall and has gotten animals drunk for millions of years.

Fukuyama

It's rapidly becoming legal in the US in most states.

I was watching COPS a while back. A cop grabbed a youngfella and searched him etc... He pulled a little baggie of weed out of his pocket. Kid was visibly like "oh fcuk".

Cop just said, on national TV, "Don't worry about that. We don't care much about the green any more".

So when hardliners over there are backing down, it can't be long until it reaches over here. I hope.

Anyone against cannibis should look into the relief a cheap, easily grown plant can give to cancer patients, MS sufferers and so on. A couple of puffs and they can go about their daily business without constant pain, nausea...

It's a plant, ffs.

Fukuyama

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

alcohol forms naturally in fruits once they fall and has gotten animals drunk for millions of years.

Western Society:

If it comes in a package with loads of added chemicals, preservatives and a great big logo, it's good.

If it grows out your back garden, it's bad.

I say that as someone fairy right wing when it comes to business and economics.

seanie_c

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

alcohol forms naturally in fruits once they fall and has gotten animals drunk for millions of years.

That doesn't explain why Cannabis is illegal though.
Cannabis is a plant, it grows out of the earth nature provided for nothing.

It doesn't cost anything to grow weed, nature provides it.

Cookie_Monster

seanie_c wrote: »

That doesn't explain why Cannabis is illegal though.

no it doesn't but my point was simply that booze is not the big evil highly processed beast that the poster made it out to be.

mikom

tayto lover wrote: »

The earlier report of the damage caused to the learning process of young users will probably weigh heavily against cannabis being legalised.
If it is eventually legalised will they set an age limit i.e. 18 years on users?

I'm fine with that.
Billy backstreet is currently selling to 15 year olds and probably younger,

Change will come from the States and Europe.
Nothing will stop it now.

Fox_In_Socks

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

alcohol forms naturally in fruits once they fall and has gotten animals drunk for millions of years.

Lol, was thinking the same.

Wasps are more chilled out on the ole hash in the autumn.:pac:

Mickeroo

tayto lover wrote: »

The earlier report of the damage caused to the learning process of young users will probably weigh heavily against cannabis being legalised.
If it is eventually legalised will they set an age limit i.e. 18 years on users?

Absolutely there would be an age limit, would be daft not to.

m1ck007

Legalise it and only make it available to those in employment.

FloatingVoter

m1ck007 wrote: »

Legalise it and only make it available to those in employment.

Wouldn't be a market...all our bankers and IT guys are on coke. It'd spoil the Master of the Puniverse buzz for them.

My name is URL

m1ck007 wrote: »

Legalise it and only make it available to those in employment.

How would that be enforced any better than current legislation is? =/

They should at least decriminalise possesion of certain amounts. I hope that gets a look-in when Ming's idea inevitably fails to persuade anyone in a position to change laws.

mfceiling

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Of course it would. Sure 18 was the age limit he put forward with harsh consequences if caught.

It could definitely work alright, tax revenue, tourism etc etc

I know some people and it doesn't make them lazy at all but on the other hand give me a spliff now and after it I could sleep for day. People would just need to be careful same way as most wouldn't drink 10 pints a day or chain smoke 40 fags or eat 50 Big Macs a week. People have to be responsible for themselves sometimes!!

Rather than have the government tell us what we can and can't do.

People can't be responsible (according to government research).

Karl Stein

Argument for legalisation:

Don't be a cunt.

Argument against:

I'm a bit of a cunt.

Whisko

The Big Smoke wrote: »

Sativa is the most amazing and wonderful strain of weed you can get, it can aid depression, study or just read about different and interesting things. Not to mention the ailments weed can help with.

Sativa isn't a strain, it is a type of plant in the genus cannabis. There are 3, Cannabis Sativa, Cannabis Indica and Ruderelis.

Haze is a strain which is sativa dominant.

Agreed that the affects are very differenc across the genus and across strains.

Whisko

tayto lover wrote: »

The earlier report of the damage caused to the learning process of young users will probably weigh heavily against cannabis being legalised.
If it is eventually legalised will they set an age limit i.e. 18 years on users?

That earlier report has been more or less completely discredited by other researchers.

Ofcourse it will be 18+, should be 21+ imo as the brain hasn't fully developed at 18. Either are clearly better than the complete lack of age limit that drug dealers have.

Riddle101

If it gets people listening to more Reggae then i'm all for legalizing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3qpBPup5tg

The Big Smoke

Whisko wrote: »

Sativa isn't a strain, it is a type of plant in the genus cannabis. There are 3, Cannabis Sativa, Cannabis Indica and Ruderelis.

Haze is a strain which is sativa dominant.

Agreed that the affects are very differenc across the genus and across strains.

You are right of course, theres a strain of sativa called lime haze thats great for an uplifting experience. Post edited.

MonaPizza

seanie_c wrote: »

The Vintners syndicate will never allow Cannabis to be legalized, even if it's for medicinal purposes.

Legalizing Cannabis would decimate the pub industry so it's not going to happen.

Why would legalization of Cannabis decimate the alcohol industry?

Smoke it and find out. See if you still want to poison yourself with alcohol.

It hasn't "decimated" the pub industry in Holland.stop with the crystal ball "predictions" like gay marriage or porn will destroy families, or some nonsense.

Henlars67

m1ck007 wrote: »

Not a chance its illegal for a reason.

I agree with you 100%.

There is no reason whatsoever for it to be illegal.

Whisko

Has a proper poll ever been carried out on this in Ireland?

Tried to find one but haven't been able to.

Henlars67

Personally I'm in favour of legalising or at the very least decriminalising all drugs, but I perfectly understand a lot of the arguments against legalisation of the likes of cocaine, heroin etc.

However, I have yet to see any logical argument against the legalisation of cannabis.

wexie

seanie_c wrote: »

The Vintners syndicate will never allow Cannabis to be legalized, even if it's for medicinal purposes.

Legalizing Cannabis would decimate the pub industry so it's not going to happen.

Why would legalization of Cannabis decimate the alcohol industry?

Smoke it and find out. See if you still want to poison yourself with alcohol.

Dude!!! We could have 'coffee pubs'!!!

Duh!

Lapin

This is the subject of the Prime Time debate on RTÉ 1 in a few minutes for anyone interested.

diomed

creep wrote: »

Do you agree with Ming Flanagan. It would generate a huge amount of income for the country or would it just make everyone lazy and would everyone just turn into stoners smoking it all day.

To generate a huge income for the country we would need to export large quantities.
Our climate is not suitable so we would need big investment in indoor growing areas, with high heating and lighting costs.
I doubt there is a large untapped high-price export market. We get it from dirt-poor third world economies. We won't undercut them on price.

If not exporting it is just internal buying and selling, not generating income for the country. The government could put a high tax on it, but they would just be paying out dole money, then taxing it.

If you are a TD with a large income you don't need to worry about trivialities like revenue, costs, and the economy.

Temptamperu

m1ck007 wrote: »

Not a chance its illegal for a reason.

Which is what?

Augmerson

Whisko wrote: »

Has a proper poll ever been carried out on this in Ireland?

Tried to find one but haven't been able to.

Probably not something that the powers that be or vested interests would like to see happen, I'd imagine the poll would show some support, maybe as high as 40-50%.

COYVB

lertsnim wrote: »

Has the Netherlands turned into a country of stoners? No is the answer to that question so why would here be any different.

Because the Irish have no self restraint, collectively